Having to pay extra for features promised in the kickstarter feels like betrayal.

[Steve50]

When I backed this project...

I backed it too back in 2012, but lets be honest, ED currently is nothing like the game we were promised or paid for. So, it's too late to go down that path now tbh. We just have to consider it as a very expensive lesson learned.

 

[DefiledDragon]

THIS... in spades

All companies rise and fall on the QUALITY of their offerings, and all companies ALSO know that it takes time to develop a good product, normally funded by investors.

FDev, didn't go down the road at the beginning, because they didn't want to be tied by restrictions. OK fair enough, but I really can't help feeling like FDev didn't get the money they REALLY wanted, and so the players have to keep topping them up, along with provide free beta testing.

20 years ago this was unheard of and would have been written about and mocked in every single PC related magazine in the world.

Maybe they saw Chris Roberts flying over the FD offices in his personal Harrier Jump Jet wearing a diamond encrusted flight suit woven from strands of solid gold and thought hmmmmmm....

 

[Furinkazan]

Maybe they saw Chris Roberts flying over the FD offices in his personal Harrier Jump Jet wearing a diamond encrusted flight suit woven from strands of solid gold and thought hmmmmmm....

I'm not too familiar with Roberts, but is it true he has a Ferrari collection?

 

[DefiledDragon]

I'm not too familiar with Roberts, but is it true he has a Ferrari collection?

I have no idea tbh, but it wouldn't surprise me. The amount of money they took (are still taking in fact) in that campaign is absolutely staggering.

 

[Furinkazan]

I have no idea tbh, but it wouldn't surprise me. The amount of money they took (are still taking in fact) in that campaign is absolutely staggering.

Oh i don't mind. I find it hilarious that people will pay real life money for ships (or any virtual goods really). I'm just waiting to see what comes out of it. It could be one of the greatest games ever made, or be an absolute turd. Either way, they won't see any money from me until they've got a 100% complete (that means everything, not this SQ42 Ep1: Chapter1: Act1 ) game.

 

[nanite2000]

Fact: The whole ship names not appearing thing was in the patch notes for the beta.
Fact: Sandro answered the question with a resounding yes. This was a pre prepared answer.
Fact: Uproar on here and Reddit.
Fact: Now you can see ship names.

What aren't you getting?

I guess I'm not getting the 'smoking gun'. I have not seen or heard any formal acknowledgement from FDev that they did this as a direct result of feedback from the forums/reddit.

I know it *looks* like that's what happened. I'm just saying that wouldn't be enough to convict someone in a court of law.

In the court of public opinion however...

 

[Steve O B Have]

Careful about falling into the slating CIG and CR in this thread, off topic and really a dead horse... besides, there's a Star Citizen thread over there (waves randomly in a direction...)

 

[Spacecat]

This annoys me also, even though I just started playing last year. Just charge me $10 for an in-game ship customizer expansion. I'd actually buy that. Piecemeal ship asthetics? No thanks.

 

[V'larr]

You heard did you?
The change was in the 2.3 patch notes.
And Sandro's answer was to a prepared question
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Sandro : You will have to pay for all name plates, there are no free name plates.
Q : Is it true that the only way for a ship name to show up on another person's scan is if you've purchased a name plate from the shop?
Sandro : Yes.
=================================
I mean where's the miscommunication? That he accidentally said yes instead of no?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cgVKH0EIMPc&t=519s
Aye, it's all Sandro's fault, you heard it, so it is ok to point the finger at Sandro. [blah]

Fact: The whole ship names not appearing thing was in the patch notes for the beta.
Fact: Sandro answered the question with a resounding yes. This was a pre prepared answer.
Fact: Uproar on here and Reddit.
Fact: Now you can see ship names.
What aren't you getting?

It has been pointed out time and time again how this was not a miscommunication issue, charging to have your ship's name in other player's hud was their plan. If you think repeating the same old debunked argument is a "proper discussion" (and I should point out that the tone of your previous comment wasn't exactly "proper"), then I can't help you.

Let's not start this again....

All,
This thread has been going around in circles with the same points posted back and forth, often by the same posters, for the last several pages. Please take a short break and consider only posting to this thread if you have something truly new to add. Unless FD wish to comment further, there is little to be gained by arguing back and forth about their intentions or how this played out internally.
Sometimes it's perfectly ok to agree to disagree and move on.
If this continues to go around in circles the thread will be closed.
In the meantime I suggest this marvelous ship names generator - names generated by this will appear on your screen right in front of you for free:
http://shipnames.iainmnorman.com/

I already linked that thread here. As I said there, bottom line, acting this way is exactly the kind of thing I fear will discourage any further live Q&A streams, so I really hope everyone involved rethinks their approach to addressing concerns over a $3 cosmetic addition.

 

[Cosmos]

But then this happened: https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php/10029-Exclusive-Cosmetics-Poll

If anyone's shafted you, it's your fellow members of the community.

Things change. Development of anything, not just games, is always going to involve give and take. It's not something to take personally.

lol, what makes you think I'm taking it personally? Its business as far as I am concerned.

Theres more to this than cosmetics, and one random poll amongst a small percentage of backers doesn't change a legally binding agreement.

At any time Frontier could honour the agreement (re the things we paid for in KS) or make alternative offers for the things that changed or failed to deliver. They have never done so. I'm afraid I don't accept folks taking money and stonewalling me when things agreed are not met.

 

[nanite2000]

It has been pointed out time and time again how this was not a miscommunication issue, charging to have your ship's name in other player's hud was their plan.

Show me exactly where that was stated as the plan all along, and not just the misstep from Sandro's Q&A.

If you think repeating the same old debunked argument is a "proper discussion" (and I should point out that the tone of your previous comment wasn't exactly "proper"), then I can't help you.

Likewise.

 

[V'larr]

lol, what makes you think I'm taking it personally? Its business as far as I am concerned.

If that's the case, then I should consider myself thankful for not having your business, personally speaking.

Theres more to this than cosmetics, and one random poll amongst a small percentage of backers doesn't change a legally binding agreement.
At any time Frontier could honour the agreement (re the things we paid for in KS) or make alternative offers for the things that changed or failed to deliver. They have never done so. I'm afraid I don't accept folks taking money and stonewalling me when things agreed are not met.

They've delivered an entire futuristic (and populated?) Milky Way galaxy with its own unique lore and background plus a few exclusive benefits to you for your support, and on top of that they continue to openly discuss development of the game with you & everyone else playing - a hallmark of the industry, as it were - and you want to be upset over a few bits of personalized text occasionally showing up on other player's screens?

Look at your own posting, mate - 'legally binding agreements', 'shafting', 'player expectations', 'stonewalling', on and on you've been on about this, as though the sky is falling.

The way you're acting is totally disproportionate to what's at issue here.

If what you want is, as a backer of the game from kickstarter, to have a free nameplate - fine! Ask for it, nicely! Bring it up on Q&A session, or ask the forum moderators if it would be alright to run a poll on this subject, or write up a request on reddit and tag Ed Lewis!

There's any number of ways you could be going about this in a constructive manner, instead of coming across like a stereotypical rioter.

 

[TwistedHelix]

They are altering the plan. Pray they do not alter it any further. [cool]

[video=youtube;WpE_xMRiCLE]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WpE_xMRiCLE[/video]

 

[Jack Schitt]

I guess I'm not getting the 'smoking gun'. I have not seen or heard any formal acknowledgement from FDev that they did this as a direct result of feedback from the forums/reddit.

That wouldn't be a "smoking gun", though. That would be the metaphorical equivalent of a signed confession, and I think it's safe to say that it's very unlikely we'll be seeing such a beast around these parts. Even if we did, there are some people who would still choose to see only the positive in the act of confession itself, ignoring the negative of any backpedalling it revealed. There are no shades of grey for some folk.

I'm just saying that wouldn't be enough to convict someone in a court of law.

Hmm. I'm no lawyer, but I'm not sure I'd take that bet. It's all academic of course because the stakes themselves are so relatively minor there's not a court in the country that would waste their time with it, but the evidence seems pretty strong. Two statements, one written and one verbal corroboration, released to the public. A backlash from some of that public. Within hours, a third statement, in response to a "number of questions" and described as "a little more information", which contradicts but does not directly address the first two statements.

I think a good solicitor would have some fun with that. And I'd love to see "maybe he accidentally said yes instead of no" stand up under cross-examination.

None of which means I want to see Ed or Sandro in the stocks. I can still admire the work they put in to what remains the most enjoyable videogame I've ever played. But if FD, as a corporate entity, appears to be attempting a money-making switcheroo with no technical justification then I'm going to call them on it. And when they follow up with what most critical observers would see as a total U-turn, I'm going to call them on that too. If that involves quoting the words of individual employees it doesn't mean I have some vendetta against them. It just means that's where the evidence is.

 

[KevinMillican]

Get new weapons, engines and equipment and customize your ship the way you want it. Check out the body-kits and paint jobs on offer, give your ship that personal touch.
[/INDENT] https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1461411552/elite-dangerous

Actually I think there's a strong hint there that you would need to pay for body-kits and paint jobs as they said "...on offer".

 

[Red Anders]

 

[Duane Dibbley]

OP you are right! We should not have to pay for anything else! Then with no income stream FDEV will go out of business and we will have no game to play! It perfe...

oh wait.

Keep working on your GCSE grade U sarcasm skills

....having said that you are quite correct. I have no problem with paid cosmetics; it would however be a show of goodwill to provide a free basic skin, decal etc for each range as it is introduced.

Tbf FD have done this with a quite a few items already ie Cobra skins, gold Asp, pp decals & with 2.3, body suits - after all, they could have just given the default black if they were really trying to milk us.

 

[Kyokushin]

Having to pay extra for things promised in kickstarter feels like betrayal.

Its your feeling and Your problem. Do not feel betrayed and problem solved.

From the beginning that was told there will be paid dlc like expansions and customisation. Game is cheap, thankfully not p2w, and monetisation model of FDEV is VERY FAIR to players.

 

[Soon(TM)]

Let me start by saying.....I think FD needs to reorder their priorities. Content should come before cosmetics and so should bug fixes. There are missing and unfinished features all over ED and bugs that have been around far too long to excuse. Spending so many resources making the cmdr creator and in the process gutting multicrew is inexcusable. All the while CZs still crash, SLF launch missing health etcetera etcetera

But to respond to your post.....cosmetcs are the one and only thing in a game i feel it is ok to charge extra for. So no....i dont have a problem with it. I just have a huge problem that FD prioritized this WAY more than actual content. Which is unforgivable

You forget, everyone is screaming out for those multi colour commander flight suits.

Bugs, crashes, unfinished content?

Pah, it's no where near as important as multi coloured flight suits.

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https://cdn.meme.am/instances/500x/...reated-this-thread-and-we-have-become-exc.jpg

Lol!

 

[V'larr]

And when they follow up with what most critical a few armchair observers would see as a total U-turn, I'm going to call them on that too. If that involves quoting the words of individual employees it doesn't mean I have some vendetta against them. It just means that's where the evidence is.

Just a small observation and calling you on it.