Hey! Why does FD still charge $$$ for the base game?

Agony_Aunt

Agony_Aunt
Bigmaec said:
That. +Rep

There is no reason the base game is still sold stand-alone. People who buy only that are at a severe disadvantage and will propably feel ripped if they have to buy another add-on to be competitive. And make no mistakes, you of course aren't competitive without horizons. So fix that blunder and sell horizons bundle only.
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Ah, merging the game plus DLC into one, that i think would be a good idea. I see no point at this stage them being sold separately.

Alternately, make the DLC free and wrap it into the base game (6 of 1, half a dozen of the other). Make it retroactive so all those with only the base game get the DLC.

Sure, they lose some on sales, but they gain on only having to maintain a single code base.

To avoid people screaming they only just bought the DLC and are getting ripped off because its going free, they could announce it like 6 months in advance of doing it, leaving people with the choice of buying now or waiting.
 

Sylveria

Sylveria
Wokawidget said:
There are 1000's of hours of youtube videos and livestreams and there are 1000's upon 1000's of forum threads...If someone is STILL on the fence after viewing this then the game is not for them. Simples.
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If the videos don't show them how to earn enough to be flying an A-rated Anaconda within 24 hours they won't watch them, though. :p
 

Touch of Grey

Touch of Grey
Agony_Aunt said:
they could announce it like 6 months in advance of doing it
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Business 101 teaches us that a company that prematurely announces a spectacular future product or feature will lose out on current sales as buyers forgo the current offerings [Osborne effect]. Cash flow dries up and investors become worried. Share prices fall. Then, if as is likely the future product is delayed for any reason, the death spiral kicks in.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Osborne_effect
 

Crimson Kaim

Crimson Kaim
I was always for merging the base game into Horizons. So that you are not given a free game but if you buy ED Horizons, you get the base game below. Assuming there'd be another season/expansion in ED and a new palyer would buy that, he'd get the base game and Horizons for free.
Existing palyers need to purchase every expansion regardless if they have payed for the base game or not. Ofcourse, you could wait for another 5 expansions and get all the 4 expansions that came before for free but the reasoning behind stacked payments is that people who regulary purchase each expansion by itself are able to play the new content instantly whereas patient users save some money but didn't have the oppotunity to play the new content upon release, leaving them behind significantly.
 

Crimson Kaim

Crimson Kaim
Touch of Grey said:
Business 101 teaches us that a company that prematurely announces a spectacular future product or feature will lose out on current sales as buyers forgo the current offerings [Osborne effect]. Cash flow dries up and investors become worried. Share prices fall. Then, if as is likely the future product is delayed for any reason, the death spiral kicks in.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Osborne_effect
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Though that might be true, having absolute no communication is not good either I believe. There are examples that show announcements being effective and it is really not that difficult to understand. The main reason why they are effective is that they are accurate. In other words, if I, as a company, announce that content X will arrive at DD.MM.YYYY at HH:MM and I deliver that as announced, then my customers would likely be happy as their expectations are met. If I do that regulary, I build up trust with my customers as I am a relyable company that rarely fails to not keep the promises made. Wit hthat trust, I have a good foundation to build on.
However, companies failing to deliver what they have announced have a fragile foundation and obviously people become skeptical. Furthermore, having no communication/announcements/transparency results in having zero foundation as well. It also tells me, as a customer now, that a company is not able to keep self made promises in the first place -> unprofessional and unrelyable. Hence I will hold back with my money and time investments.

Same with ED now. We have absolutely zero information on what is following after the beyond series and even if they'd announce something I'd instantly subtract 50% of the content they announced as FDev have shown unrelyable in the past (countless delays, bugs surviving for years, ignoring of the bad connectivity state, content withdraw like carriers and ice textures, etc.). With that knowledge it would probably better to get back announcements (like the weekly sneek peek we have been promised after the release of 2.0 ...) and actual accurate announcements with promises that are kept. This will raise the relyability and my trust which results in my investment.
but completely refusing to communicate is not a good way to make me confident that this game is a good choice.
 

Stealthie

Stealthie
Said it before...

FDev could probably give away a free version of the game which included, say, 3 ships (Cobra, T6 and Viper 3, perhaps) and then offer additional ships in the store for, say £5 a pop (only available after you've unlocked them in-game if necessary) or offered players the opportunity to migrate their account to a paid version of the game.

That'd capture a heap of new players, some of whom would stay and some of whom would buy new ships and/or the full version of the game, and it'd also put a lot of little fish back in the pond too.
 

CMDR Zadian Lichtfrost

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With the next paid DLC/Season/Update FDev can just stop offering the base game as a stand alone purchase and offer Elite Dangerous versions 1-3 as a (cheap) bundle. (I still would prefer just offering one "all included" version, but that seems to be something a lot of customers don't understand - see the Horizons debacle)

They can do this even without a next paid DLS/Season/Update if they decide to use a different method of earning money with Elite Dangerous.

Making the base game (version 1) free is probably not the best solution.
 

CMDR Zadian Lichtfrost

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Robert Maynard said:
The botters would love a free account - nothing to lose in the event of being caught at it.
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Stealthie said:
The solution for that would be Open-Only something or other.

Probably. [where is it]
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The pricing of the game as nothing to do with bots or modes.
Since bot using is apparently done right now with the base game costing money, bots are used in this discussion just as a trojan horse to push an other agenda.
 

Braandlin

Braandlin
Kayweg said:
As a gamer i can tell you i don't really mind lines being drawn, i mind lines constantly (and ever more rapidly) being moved.
And oddly enough only ever being moved to benefit one side of the equasion (hint: it's not the gamer's side).
So i do beg your pardon for not displaying more sympathy here.
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Remind me how you benefit if a game is given away free and the game company ceases trading so the game disappears?
 

[VR] Mad Mike

[VR] Mad Mike
Hercules said:
Destiny 2 is free now (the base game that is; you still need to pay for expansions). Frontier should do the same. Besides, no one will stop at the base game once they realize that you need Horizons if you don't fancy flying around in your A-rated death boat.
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it is free now.... for literally 2 weeks. .....

i am not sure everything needs to follow suit just because one primarily co-op gamee which lives or dies by how many people are online to play it...... esp a game which single player (forgetting the BGS for a second) for a huge number of people.

has the skyrum or fallout 4 base game ever been free and just chargable for the DLC?
 

Noctover

Noctover
Tried that Destiny, god its bad! First person Warframe with worse gunplay. Thats my only input to this topic :p.
 

Robert Maynard

Volunteer Moderator
Robert Maynard
CMDR Zadian Lichtfrost said:
The pricing of the game as nothing to do with bots or modes.
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Probably not.

CMDR Zadian Lichtfrost said:
Since bot using is apparently done right now with the base game costing money, bots are used in this discussion just as a trojan horse to push an other agenda.
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Not at all - to lower the barrier to entry for a new bot to zero cost would likely have an adverse effect on the game - due to an increase in the number of bots.

Which alternate agenda is assumed to be being pushed?
 
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