Hi FD, Any plans to check the game breaking Submit and Highwake issue? ( Its basically an exploit )
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Majinvash
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Ziggy makes a very good point but why does everything have to be fair?
It seems everyone has to play the in-game victim on this forum.
Yes if you get caught by a wing, you have a very high chance of dying. That is absolutely how it should be.
Would that not apply to the lone wolf ganker too? ( I fly alone and pirate loads and this can be seen on my twitch )
If you want to fly alone and not be at risk, you have a whole mode made to it.
FD created the wing system to allow traders and fighters to "wing" up.
That feature is hardly used now, partly because its not profitable and partly because why bother?
They also don't bother because traders know the HW escape option and use it 90% of the time, so don't need an escort.
You would never stop a pirate hunting a system regardless of what ship he is in, as he has a much higher chance of high waking out, then you do of killing him.
A pirate wing will very rarely stop a properly shielded trade Conda either, you just don't have the time, even firing first. To drop shields and take out the engine before the HW invincibility sets in and then gone. (T6,7 and 9 suck. But i have point this out many times before. They are just baddly designed ships. )
If anyone wants to try and stop me, pick a system and come in a wing. Interdict me in my viper and see how many times you can get me vs I submit and HW out. Open Challenge.
Majinvash
The Voice of Open
It seems everyone has to play the in-game victim on this forum.
Yes if you get caught by a wing, you have a very high chance of dying. That is absolutely how it should be.
Would that not apply to the lone wolf ganker too? ( I fly alone and pirate loads and this can be seen on my twitch )
If you want to fly alone and not be at risk, you have a whole mode made to it.
FD created the wing system to allow traders and fighters to "wing" up.
That feature is hardly used now, partly because its not profitable and partly because why bother?
They also don't bother because traders know the HW escape option and use it 90% of the time, so don't need an escort.
You would never stop a pirate hunting a system regardless of what ship he is in, as he has a much higher chance of high waking out, then you do of killing him.
A pirate wing will very rarely stop a properly shielded trade Conda either, you just don't have the time, even firing first. To drop shields and take out the engine before the HW invincibility sets in and then gone. (T6,7 and 9 suck. But i have point this out many times before. They are just baddly designed ships. )
If anyone wants to try and stop me, pick a system and come in a wing. Interdict me in my viper and see how many times you can get me vs I submit and HW out. Open Challenge.
Majinvash
The Voice of Open
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I think it is perfect as it is now. High-wake means you need to change plans, you need to (if come back) fly again all the way to the base, it can have risk with ending stuck with no-fuel etc. I understand the view of OP very well 
, but because in ED is really costly "die", then from my pov is actual game setting good as is ... it gave chance of escape with some risks.
... LOL again ... .... ooo cant stop
, but because in ED is really costly "die", then from my pov is actual game setting good as is ... it gave chance of escape with some risks.LOL
... LOL again ... .... ooo cant stop
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Because I pay just as much to play this game as you.
Majinvash
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Then get good at PVP, get a wing and defend yourself. That's fair.
If you don't want that, avoid systems with known pirate presence.
What you want is not fairness, what you want is lack of risk.
Come on Ziggy, you are better than that comment!
Majinvash
The Voice of Open
No, I'm not going to dance for you.
I play the way the game was advertised to me. That's fair.
Rich coming from someone cowering in a wing
I am better than any comment!
Majinvash
Banned
No, I'm not going to dance for you.
I play the way the game was advertised to me. That's fair.
Rich coming from someone cowering in a wing
I am better than any comment!
No one mentioned dancing.
I am not sure "Easy way out of every situation" was in the pre launch advertising material either
I already stated that I often fly alone plenty. But I would wing against another wing, you know to make it fair to me and all.
Come on Ziggy, you are better than missing out key points in a reply.
Majinvash
The Voice of Open
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If you tell me all I want is to avoid risk, I'll tell you you're cowering in a wing, and we'll be as right as one another. That's fair
Dancing as in: the way to counter wings is to be in a wing. Akin to, if you want to avoid being bossed around by guilds, form a guild. Don't like my playing style, adopt my playing style. In other other words: be the thing you don't want to be to counter the thing you don't want to be.
No, thanks.
And if you are going to paraphrase my response as: "easy way out of every situation" then you have no business complaining about missing key points in a reply. I take more chances than you, die more often than you just by going into a Haz Res by myself, since I am a crappier combat pilot than you. I have found plenty of ways to screw myself over thank you very much, I don't need a bunch of cowards in a wing (edit: I mean non-Code cowards of course! Present company excluded) applying bully techniques thanks again.
Get this very important little fact: I don't want to be in a wing.
To you the consequence of that is that I should be able to be bossed around.
To me the consequence is that I have just as much leeway as those who do like to fly in wings.
edit: Oh yeah .... go "Come on Ziggy" one more time!
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So you're psychic and know when you're going to be facing a wing?
Or are you able to magically wing up quickly when it becomes apparent when you're facing a wing?
Or is it simply a fact that your argument, as constructed, is basically saying people should wing up or simply be prepared to face destruction.
At present all you're proposing is the latter. That anyone flying solo, has no means of escape from a wing. Which doesn't seem terribly fair or balanced to me.
And we all know that when a wing of pirates go looking for a target, they're not going after wings of other pirates or bounty hunters in the interests of "fairness."
*facepalm* It's not an exploit.
Freighter pilots need a way to escape. This change would make anything bigger than an cobra a flying insurance claim waiting to happen.
And then 2 months later you will be here on the forums complaining that solo play is an exploit and needs to be removed from the game.
We don't need open even emptier than it already is. Seriously ...
Freighter pilots need a way to escape. This change would make anything bigger than an cobra a flying insurance claim waiting to happen.
And then 2 months later you will be here on the forums complaining that solo play is an exploit and needs to be removed from the game.
We don't need open even emptier than it already is. Seriously ...
But but but if it's working as intended it doesn't need looking at
If it's working as intended it's not an exploit. Please use correct terminology in order to avoid being accused of fluffing your point for your own ends which, by the way, is what you're doing.
Yes yes. Of course your main aim is to allow player defence forces to effectively take on filthy pirates. Right? Yeah? Somehow doubt that. It would also allow you and your wing to pick on anyone you wanted. It would pretty much stomp all over the solo play style in Open and push yet more people into group and solo.
For every argument you have to remove this part of the game there is an equal and opposite argument for leaving it in.
I understand your rational for wanting it removed. It comes from a personal viewpoint. A position of bias. You couch your posts as though you have altruistic reasons for requesting this change but a cursory glance at the further reaching effects of the change shows that it's not all roses as you'd have everyone think. Reading other of your posts you're clearly not stupid enough to have missed the further reaching effects so one can only surmise that you understand them and are being disingenuous.
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Majinvash
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If you tell me all I want is to avoid risk, I'll tell you you're cowering in a wing, and we'll be as right as one another. That's fair
Dancing as in: the way to counter wings is to be in a wing. Akin to, if you want to avoid being bossed around by guilds, form a guild. Don't like my playing style, adopt my playing style. In other other words: be the thing you don't want to be to counter the thing you don't want to be.
No, thanks.
And if you are going to paraphrase my response as: "easy way out of every situation" then you have no business complaining about missing key points in a reply. I take more chances than you, die more often than you just by going into a Haz Res by myself, since I am a crappier combat pilot than you. I have found plenty of ways to screw myself over thank you very much, I don't need a bunch of cowards in a wing (edit: I mean non-Code cowards of course! Present company excluded) applying bully techniques thanks again.
Get this very important little fact: I don't want to be in a wing.
To you the consequence of that is that I should be able to be bossed around.
To me the consequence is that I have just as much leeway as those who do like to fly in wings.
edit: Oh yeah .... go "Come on Ziggy" one more time!
Hey
You may suck in Combat but boy can you play guitar.
I am happy to school you in PVP, show you how not to die.
But if you honestly believe its fair that a player in a sidewinder should be able to HW away from a Conda, just because its fair.
What about the poor Conda? All that time he took to interdict.. All that immersion he has lost. Its just not fair to him, sniff.. So cruel.
You are making love with your Ego.
Majinvash
The Voice of Open
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Yeah well, that's merely because you're a nice guy. So there!
Just a minute ago we were talking wings, I honestly believe I should be able to high wake away from wings because it's fair.
Now, the Conda vs Sidewinder does show the short comings of the interdiction mechanic and Super cruise. I would have loved a system where piracy and the player interactions occurred in a hub-like normal space situation. For instance if you warped out of supercruise 25 kms away, and that's where the pirates are hidden. Sure you could take a sluggish hauler and go for tonnage, or you could compromise the tonnage to have a better engine so you stand a better chance at escaping. As it is, we're stuck with this flawed mechanic, and I'm not sure whether having the Sidey being unable to high wake out of there would decrease griefing.
There's a damned if you do, damned if you don't feeling about it.
Yeah, I'm probably taking it too far.
Ziggy can't-PvP-worth-crap-but-is-well-hung-and-has-a-snow-white-tan Stardust
Perhaps that player should try interdicting in a different craft if he/she isn't happy interdicting in a Conda? Or try following the high-wake, if they can? Or choose another career, if he/she isn't happy with piracy/BH interdicting.
I think it's perfectly fair that a single pilot would be at a huge disadvantage up against a wing (assuming similar-ish ships and skill levels). And you have the ability to interdict and attack a pilot even if they don't want combat or to be pirated. But then you want to be able to make it impossible for them to run as well? Sounds a lot like Elite: Duck Hunt to me. No thanks.
Off topic, since this is maybe a logical suggestion, unlike the OP...
If WANTED, you can't highwake out. =)
Your ship knows you are wanted, and that black box jump drive will know it too, so a highwake prevention when masslock is also detected would definitely be possible.
Majinvash
Banned
HAHAH
I love this reply.
You have a problem with mass lock effecting High Wake.
But you are ok for a magic box in a criminals ship that stops them High Waking?
Like the Santa of FSD? You have been naughty. No high wake for you this year! Ho HO HO
Majinvash
Bad idea for all the reasons people have listed above. If you don't like the way it works, adapt your gameplay,not the game.
Stupid_hippy
The voice of.. Stupid_hippy.
Stupid_hippy
The voice of.. Stupid_hippy.
I don't have a problem with mass not impacting highwake. I am a little confused why it does not. Please, do not make stuff up I have never said and then make me kill billions of poor little innocent electrons refuting it.
And the suggestion is no stranger that people that want to put breathlyzers on cars to prevent them from starting the car.
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Scan the wake, keep following them.
Also, you can adjust your expectations. If you forced them to highwake out, you have already disrupted whatever that person is doing. That should satisfy your ego enough, shouldn't it?