Robert Maynard
Volunteer Moderator
All solid markers are, currently, NPCs. With the proposed change, that would not be the case.
General Hide 'player' ship on scanner and on the description - additional option
- Thread starter Kyokushin
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Have you seen a player with a notoriety level, where on the HUD is this displayed to you?
Answer the question, not by question.
Have you seen the NPC with the notoriety level?
With proposed change only players would have stroked ones as now, but also would have the filled. And that is the point, to mask who is player when player would like to be masked.
If i would to play alone, but i do not wantThe suggestion is to allow people a choice.
A choice is good. To say i am human or not. Its not influing your gameplay if someone will not tell you is a human. Your body, your choice, someone else body - someone else choice
But we know this to be false, the option to show network traffic is telling you that there are atleast another player in your instance, so it is not rocket science to discover which ship was the new one...
Then we have how players navigate and fly, or outfit their ships, that is also great tell tale signs that a ship is a player ship.
This is nothing more than a just another bad attempt to make ganking easier, as the people who would abuse this the most is the gankers, who by doing this over and over will get really good at identifying other players, while all the regular players most of the time have NO CLUE on how todo it. And players that today can be extra alert when they see another player, and take extra steps to defend against unwanted PvP, etc, like flying in different direction etc, making it alot harder for the other player to inderdict them etc. Or even even watch if another player is moving into position to intercept, and then take action.....
So this WOULD influence EVERY players experience in Open.....
So lets recap your statements and take a fact check on this.
You have repeatedly said that block function does not work to stop you instancing with blocked player, that is a lie, as it will prohibit you to instance with the blocked player for most situations, with a few rare exceptions
You say this will not influence the experience of other players, which is another lie, as several people have already shown this to be false, as there are still ways to indentify you as a player, regardless of what the radar symbol shows.
So two major facts checks on your statements shows that you are either totally clueless or deliberately avoiding the truth while pushing lies.
It will influence nobody in galaxy scale. Network debug option also may be disabled, and even not, the knowledge there is some player will give almost none information about who is who.
You may find who is in the PK ship by loadout, but not the PvE player - they have ships in similar ladout and strength to NPC's.
So if anyone will have something slightly easier - the normal players to find a ganker, not the reverse.
And as i told and you even confirmed it - blocking player will not cause you will not meet him - and as i wrote - its not a topic about blocking players, but about masking what will lead to more populated galaxy. If you want to block someone - its simply not for you.
So any statement i presented here are true and you may consider them as facts. Please better pick the words and try to use your logic if you have one, during accusing someone about pushing lies.
You may find who is in the PK ship by loadout, but not the PvE player - they have ships in similar ladout and strength to NPC's.
So if anyone will have something slightly easier - the normal players to find a ganker, not the reverse.
And as i told and you even confirmed it - blocking player will not cause you will not meet him - and as i wrote - its not a topic about blocking players, but about masking what will lead to more populated galaxy. If you want to block someone - its simply not for you.
So any statement i presented here are true and you may consider them as facts. Please better pick the words and try to use your logic if you have one, during accusing someone about pushing lies.
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It reduces rather dramatically that chance.
Don't play dumb, you know exactly what I'm getting at. NPC behaviour doesn't factor in notoriety because they aren't persistent. My point is that other players' notoriety is not visible to you, so you could easily 'headcanon' NPCs as subject to the same C&P laws.
Look, if NPCs could be made persistent and more competitive compared to player ships I'm all on board, but this notoriety angle is not a strong base to argue from.
Youre playing a dumb answering the question by the question.
Use arguments, not cheap rethoric.
I am also aboard to make NPC's competetive.
The statement was to show immediately a ships with notoriety level, so only players ships would be shown and that would break the intention of hiding. People should be able to hide their ID no matter they have notoriety or not.
Use arguments, not cheap rethoric.
I am also aboard to make NPC's competetive.
The statement was to show immediately a ships with notoriety level, so only players ships would be shown and that would break the intention of hiding. People should be able to hide their ID no matter they have notoriety or not.
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I literally just explained my argument.
It'll still be easy for experienced gankers to identify players just by looking at ship names, pilot names, and loadouts. New players won't be able to identify gankers so easily, especially if those gankers use off-meta ships or otherwise deliberately conceal themselves. It's not like you need a competitive PvP fit for ganking, after all.
If I rock up with an asp named something like "Afternoon" or whatever other procgen names that NPCs use, then unless they turn around to point at me and see my cmdr name then they're not going to be able to tell me apart from an NPC. Meanwhile, I'm on their tail, I've got a scan on them and am reliably confident that they're a player, and next thing they know that NPC asp explorer isn't an NPC after all.
If I rock up with an asp named something like "Afternoon" or whatever other procgen names that NPCs use, then unless they turn around to point at me and see my cmdr name then they're not going to be able to tell me apart from an NPC. Meanwhile, I'm on their tail, I've got a scan on them and am reliably confident that they're a player, and next thing they know that NPC asp explorer isn't an NPC after all.
KI Asp though?
No
If you want to see others, you have to be seen by others. So if you toggle your id you should not be able to spot other players under no circumstances.
You are hidden from others and others are hidden from you.
So there you go: Solo anyone?
The only thing that i would want to hide is ship outfitting (especially visible from supercruise) - there should be no way for another ship to see what my ships configuration is, what shields and what weapons it's using
Now that would be the closest thing to a pvp toggle - but only if it would stop any supercruise interactions (interdiction and suff) but it would allow combat in a CZ or other POI not under a No Fire Zone.
Either way it will influence how people play the game, arguably if it wouldn't have any influence why bother with the change.
Thas is also interesting - to see others only if you're enabled. I prefer the choice, but it also sounds not bad.
Not specially, but if you will want to play with the players then you will be able to. If you will want to gank someone then you will have it harder because you will need to figure out who is who at first.
The problem is that no one else thinks that hiding players in this way is a good idea especially as there are perfectly good and valid ways to avoid some, all or just hostile players as the game is now.
Honestly I think it'd be interesting if unscanned ships only showed a tonnage range, and even then only resolved to a general "type" in supercruise without showing the actual ship type, with modules not being visible in SC at all.
Like, a keelback and a T6 having such a similar silhouette that you can't tell them apart at multiple-lightsecond distances, you can only actually identify them once you've got the second stage of a scan (the one that shows shield health) done in normalspace. The description of a keelback in the shipyard even says that they're built to fly in a convoy of T6s to make it difficult for attackers to easily identify which of them are haulers and which of them are combat ships.