holy crap.. just got a warthog...

[NeoMorph WTH]

That's an outdated A-10A no longer in service. The TM WH is modelled on the current C.

That stick is based off the old Phantom stick too IIRC... which TM also made a joystick of back in the day.

Yeah, the Thrustmaster Warthog is based on the modernised version. Remember the Hog has been around for a LONG time (1972) and they have been brought into the 21st Century to make them last until their phase out date in 2028. Would make no sense to fly a 70's era tech plane nowadays.

Regarding the TM Warthog, I found out something cool today. There is an "Afterburner Detent Mod" built into the stick. It stops the stick moving the full distance until you lift it up to free it. Why is it cool? Well, when you push to the Detent position it's almost perfectly in the middle of the blue throttle bar. So when you are flying in supercruise at full power and reach 10 seconds from target, you just have to pull the stick back and it goes "CLUNK" into the detent position and then you are at 75% power. It just makes it that much easier.

 

[Sub]

The toy one looks to be way shorter to me, this would change the angle of rotation from it's axis.

Of course it is, it would be difficult to sell a joystick with the full throw of a stick like that found in an A10c, HOWEVER the stick seperates from it's base as such that it can and often IS extended to the correct length. You simply need a) imagination, or a provider of a Tube, and a modified PS2 extension cable. It's THAT simple.

Yeah, the Thrustmaster Warthog is based on the modernised version. Remember the Hog has been around for a LONG time (1972) and they have been brought into the 21st Century to make them last until their phase out date in 2028. Would make no sense to fly a 70's era tech plane nowadays.

Indeed it's designed from the A10c and most people who own it bought it to play DCS-A10c as it's literally just plug and play for that game Everything is precisely where it's meant to be.

Regarding the TM Warthog, I found out something cool today. There is an "Afterburner Detent Mod" built into the stick. It stops the stick moving the full distance until you lift it up to free it. Why is it cool? Well, when you push to the Detent position it's almost perfectly in the middle of the blue throttle bar. So when you are flying in supercruise at full power and reach 10 seconds from target, you just have to pull the stick back and it goes "CLUNK" into the detent position and then you are at 75% power. It just makes it that much easier.

I'm going to assume ALL of that is referring to the throttle, not the stick ?

The detent, is there by default at the 0% so you have an off/idle position, when you move it out of the lower detent this starts your engines in DCS.

The upper 'afterburner' detent you have to do a quick mod to enable, as the A10 doesn't have afterburners

FYI that blue area in the throttle isn't always at the same % of your throttle so I wouldn't rely on it keeping you in the optimum area

Since I haven't already said it, welcome to the Warthog Club OP What's your stick serial number ?

 

[NeoMorph WTH]

Of course it is, it would be difficult to sell a joystick with the full throw of a stick like that found in an A10c, HOWEVER the stick seperates from it's base as such that it can and often IS extended to the correct length. You simply need a) imagination, or a provider of a Tube, and a modified PS2 extension cable. It's THAT simple.

Indeed it's designed from the A10c and most people who own it bought it to play DCS-A10c as it's literally just plug and play for that game Everything is precisely where it's meant to be.

Like this one that was on Ebay...




Regarding the After burner mod...

I'm going to assume ALL of that is referring to the throttle, not the stick ?

The detent, is there by default at the 0% so you have an off/idle position, when you move it out of the lower detent this starts your engines in DCS.

The upper 'afterburner' detent you have to do a quick mod to enable, as the A10 doesn't have afterburners

FYI that blue area in the throttle isn't always at the same % of your throttle so I wouldn't rely on it keeping you in the optimum area

Since I haven't already said it, welcome to the Warthog Club OP What's your stick serial number ?

Yeah, I was talking about the bit of plastic between the two throttles... dunno why I said stick lol. But I have been playing with it for some hours and it always puts the throttle in the blue when it hits the detent now. If you have it, try it for yourself.

I have to say this HOTAS setup is almost perfect for ED. I am probably going to do a few mods to the throttle box though when I put it in the cockpit... Namely replace some of the switches with momentary ones. Probably get a new top panel too so that I can change the names over the switches. I really could do with a CNC machine to cut a new one tbh.

Someone asked if removing the big spring makes the joystick all floppy and the answer is no. It reduces the snap back to center but it still stays there when you move the the joystick there. It makes it easier to fly ED imho.

I just need some good rudder pedals now.

 

[Gilmour]

Of course it is, it would be difficult to sell a joystick with the full throw of a stick like that found in an A10c, HOWEVER the stick seperates from it's base as such that it can and often IS extended to the correct length. You simply need a) imagination, or a provider of a Tube, and a modified PS2 extension cable. It's THAT simple.



Indeed it's designed from the A10c and most people who own it bought it to play DCS-A10c as it's literally just plug and play for that game Everything is precisely where it's meant to be.

right, and my old bicycle could be made into a full scale F1 racecar with some modifications as well. I guess I'd expect something being sold as a replica to replicate the original, silly of my I know.

 

[Rankaze]

right, and my old bicycle could be made into a full scale F1 racecar with some modifications as well. I guess I'd expect something being sold as a replica to replicate the original, silly of my I know.

It is as close a replica as you can have and still put it on your desk to play video games.

Not all of us Warthog owners have a simpit, you know!

 

[Nauht]

It is as close a replica as you can have and still put it on your desk to play video games.

Not all of us Warthog owners have a simpit, you know!

Let him nitpick, he's just jelly.

 

[Sub]

Like this one that was on Ebay...

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Yes, exactly that, he sells them one at a time, I'll be putting an order in soon.

Regarding the After burner mod...

Yeah, I was talking about the bit of plastic between the two throttles... dunno why I said stick lol. But I have been playing with it for some hours and it always puts the throttle in the blue when it hits the detent now. If you have it, try it for yourself.

I have to say this HOTAS setup is almost perfect for ED. I am probably going to do a few mods to the throttle box though when I put it in the cockpit... Namely replace some of the switches with momentary ones. Probably get a new top panel too so that I can change the names over the switches. I really could do with a CNC machine to cut a new one tbh.

Someone asked if removing the big spring makes the joystick all floppy and the answer is no. It reduces the snap back to center but it still stays there when you move the the joystick there. It makes it easier to fly ED imho.

I just need some good rudder pedals now.

Yeah I gathered I do have it, but I find the extra detent annoying to be honest, I play DCS too much. I recommend the Saitek Combat Pro pedals, they're not perfect, but they are metal and take a beating. I'd love to go out and spend a lot on all these super custom ones but I just can't yet. One day though

right, and my old bicycle could be made into a full scale F1 racecar with some modifications as well. I guess I'd expect something being sold as a replica to replicate the original, silly of my I know.

I know you're trying to be funny/smart, but comparing adding a metal bar and a cable to a extend a stick that's intended for desktop use, to 'turning a bicyle into a Full scale F1 racecar' just.. isn't funny, or smart.

If you look around the simmer forums, you'll see plenty of people do it to modify it for simpit use, but it's sold as something you can use on your desk. Adding a decently made Metal extension to it Would increase the cost even further, and likely beyond what people would be willing to pay.

ALSO the addition of the extension seriously increases the leverage you can exert on the stick, meaning you can actually damage the internals. If there's one thing I would they had done, it's make the internal 'ball' metal instead of plastic.

But I'm sure someone, somewhere out there will have made one. (A bit like the optional extension )

Let him nitpick, he's just jelly.

Indeed

 

[Briarée]

But if you look at Wikipedia page on the A-10 it looks completely different to the one you posted.

The basic shape is there but where the thumbstick is halfway down in the photo there is a button, and you only have a single coolie hat and button and not three directional controls.

that is because the wikipedia photo is from that A-10A while the Thrusmaster is a replica from the A-10C

here is an A-10C cockpit:

 

[Briarée]

Of course it is, it would be difficult to sell a joystick with the full throw of a stick like that found in an A10c, HOWEVER the stick seperates from it's base as such that it can and often IS extended to the correct length. You simply need a) imagination, or a provider of a Tube, and a modified PS2 extension cable. It's THAT simple.



Indeed it's designed from the A10c and most people who own it bought it to play DCS-A10c as it's literally just plug and play for that game Everything is precisely where it's meant to be.



I'm going to assume ALL of that is referring to the throttle, not the stick ?

The detent, is there by default at the 0% so you have an off/idle position, when you move it out of the lower detent this starts your engines in DCS.

The upper 'afterburner' detent you have to do a quick mod to enable, as the A10 doesn't have afterburners

FYI that blue area in the throttle isn't always at the same % of your throttle so I wouldn't rely on it keeping you in the optimum area

Since I haven't already said it, welcome to the Warthog Club OP What's your stick serial number ?

it's even simpler than a quick mod, remove two screw, turn a piece 180°, replace the screws. halen key is provided, total time required, 20 seconds top

 

[who?]

Regarding the TM Warthog, I found out something cool today. There is an "Afterburner Detent Mod" built into the stick. It stops the stick moving the full distance until you lift it up to free it. Why is it cool? Well, when you push to the Detent position it's almost perfectly in the middle of the blue throttle bar. So when you are flying in supercruise at full power and reach 10 seconds from target, you just have to pull the stick back and it goes "CLUNK" into the detent position and then you are at 75% power. It just makes it that much easier.

I don't know if - with the afterburner detent installed - it will always map directly to the blue zone in Elite. It may well do, since as the speed range varies depending on how mass-locked you are, the blue zone adjusts correspondingly.

I actually installed it when I took my Warthog out of the box. Was then going through the preflight on my first ever launch, and was wondering why I couldn't push the throttle all the way forward as required (duh!). So I left this until last. Then the penny finally dropped, I lifted the throttle and pushed forward.. thus completing the preflight.. thus launching me off the pad at full throttle straight into the control tower dead ahead. My first moments in Elite were fairly inauspicious.

I removed it again, as I found it very awkward to lift the throttle to push to 100%; I have to turn my hand around, get my fingers under the throttle levers and lift. That's no good in general gameplay..

 

[Rankaze]

I don't know if - with the afterburner detent installed - it will always map directly to the blue zone in Elite. It may well do, since as the speed range varies depending on how mass-locked you are, the blue zone adjusts correspondingly.

I actually installed it when I took my Warthog out of the box. Was then going through the preflight on my first ever launch, and was wondering why I couldn't push the throttle all the way forward as required (duh!). So I left this until last. Then the penny finally dropped, I lifted the throttle and pushed forward.. thus completing the preflight.. thus launching me off the pad at full throttle straight into the control tower dead ahead. My first moments in Elite were fairly inauspicious.

I removed it again, as I found it very awkward to lift the throttle to push to 100%; I have to turn my hand around, get my fingers under the throttle levers and lift. That's no good in general gameplay..

It works better if you have the throttle base bolted down. That said, I don't actually use it typically.

 

[Guidebot]

I just plonked down the hard-earned for this hardware myself. It arrives tomorrow. Can't wait! It will my first time flying hotas though, so I'm expecting quite an acclimatization period.

Do you guys with a hotas link freelook to a hat on the controls or something? I'm used to having freelook on my xbox controller by clicking down the right stick and using it to look about.

Thanks

 

[Tarman]

I just plonked down the hard-earned for this hardware myself. It arrives tomorrow. Can't wait! It will my first time flying hotas though, so I'm expecting quite an acclimatization period.

Do you guys with a hotas link freelook to a hat on the controls or something? I'm used to having freelook on my xbox controller by clicking down the right stick and using it to look about.

Thanks

Freelook is useful to have on a hat, either permanent or switchable. Mine's on the stick with a soft look-reset button as well, but when it's disabled the hat is a backup pipper. The sensitivity slider is pretty decent for tuning up the hat for your viewing speed needs. I've also got freelook controls on the mouse for backup. HOTAS of any sort though is great for setting up exactly the kind of control scheme that works best for you.

A tip to save some credits, do the bulk of your setup testing in the training scenarios till you get something solid you're ready to fly live with. Sometimes it takes a few iterations to find the best personal arrangement.

 

[Guidebot]

Thanks for the words of wisdom, Tarman.

 

[NeoMorph WTH]

I just plonked down the hard-earned for this hardware myself. It arrives tomorrow. Can't wait! It will my first time flying hotas though, so I'm expecting quite an acclimatization period.

Do you guys with a hotas link freelook to a hat on the controls or something? I'm used to having freelook on my xbox controller by clicking down the right stick and using it to look about.

Thanks

If you are used to an Xbox controller it actually helps to have muscle memory for the various buttons and joysticks... The whole theory of the HOTAS method is you never let go in combat, just like the Xbox controller, so you are halfway there already.

As someone who hasn't used a Joystick in ages I found it came back pretty quick (after removing that humungous spring in the stick... there is a mod out there to do that). I might even get around to replacing some of the buttons too (the red ones are WAY too stiff for me and during combat it feels like my darn thumb is going to pop out of joint again (yeah, done it once already since I got this stick lol). I just wish there was a way of reducing the pressure slightly. But hey ho, the stick is built like a brick shi...errrr... poo house so mods will be easy.

 

[Surly_Badger]

When you have it setup DO NOT PLAY THE GAME WITH YOUR COMMANDER!

I can attest to the wisdom of that advice. Call me "CMDR splat-mark" ... for the first couple days I was spending insurance money like crazy.

 

[DogTailRed2]

Love my Warthog. There is no comparison. Anybody who says otherwise is either ignorant, or selling you something. Here's mine:

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Dude, where are all your cables? Fluff!. You must have cables and fluff!

 

[Rankaze]

I just plonked down the hard-earned for this hardware myself. It arrives tomorrow. Can't wait! It will my first time flying hotas though, so I'm expecting quite an acclimatization period.

Do you guys with a hotas link freelook to a hat on the controls or something? I'm used to having freelook on my xbox controller by clicking down the right stick and using it to look about.

Thanks

I went the trackir route.

 

[Gilmour]

Let him nitpick, he's just jelly.

I think he's actually pudding.

 

[Gilmour]

I just don't like the plastic-y feel of the store bought junk, I made mine from billet aluminum, carbon fiber and ceramic. It is a bit too costly to be able to sell them to the general public though, but I only made 2, one for me and 1 for my wife. Being well built as they are, they will outlive us and be passed on through generations of our family, gee, nice heirloom, grandpa!