Horizons price discussion

[Ekar]

Didn't vote- if the vote's about the new lifetime seasons pass price, nobody knows at this point if it's good value or not. FD might stop expanding the game at Season 2, or they might keep on pumping out content and new features for another 5-8 years. Also, no-one knows what's coming with each season- whether it's mission updates which will allow us to take fish to Sag A or something more substantial. It's just really hard to say... the plan all sounds great, but even the best plans sometimes don't work out the way we want.

I bought the expansion pass in Beta so I'm covered, but if I hadn't done that I'd pass on the current discount and wait around to atleast the end of the year to get a better understanding of the initial seasons content. Atleast.

 

[bit_crusherrr]

Well, based on the results of the poll on this page, about 60% of people here think the expansion price is fair. Another 20% think it's too expensive but will buy it on sale. The poll is missing an option for "I think Horizons is a little expensive, but not so unfair that I won't buy it." So, some of that latter 20% might fall into that category. But anyway, you have 60% fully satisfied, another 20% who are somewhat satisfied but not planning to throw up their hands and leave, or skip the expansion. That leaves you with 20% who are entirely dissatisfied. That's 20% on an internet forum - a medium not renowned for its positivity.

I wouldn't say that's "so much negativity." Besides, a quick Google search turns up a whopping zero articles describing the huge backlash against FD for their Horizons expansion.

40% of people thinking your product is too expensive is still a major problem

However I can't really say there is a way to find out how the majority of the fanbase actually feel that would be representitive

 

[Alex Brentnall]

And we thank you for your wealth and experience as a game developer.
Seriously I can handle constructive criticism, what you said may even be true and right but arguably Frontier are succeeding a hell of a lot more than your thread title is.

Without even reading the OP you are saying Frontier are failing and that you know better than they do. For all we know the planet landing and 2nd season of expansion may well hold as much if not more content than we have had to date. Sorry if this comes across slightly harsh but I'm fed up with the "too expensive" threads now, there's been at least 3 on the first page at all times since yesterday. I need to take a break...

I'm paying £0.12 per hour assuming my game/hours rate keeps up as I expect. The only games I have that exceed that are indie games I bought for under £3.


Further edit: I've actually now read your post properly and you seem to be complaining specifically about the price for Horizons for the people who bought after release. I kind of agree with this that its a kick in the face. But on the flip side its an incentive for new players to re-energise the game. Also my personal feelings is stump for the lifetime pass. With the game, a few skins etc you are talking about £180. Im at 790 hours gameplay at the moment, even before any DLC's so if I literally never play again I've paid 22p per hour. Not exactly cheap but really peanuts compared to some AAA games that I buy for £60 and play a 12 hour campaign on and then buy the next version a year later.

 

[Windscreen Smudge]

Nice, now my thread gets merged with another irrelevant thread because not even the moderators take the time to read the OP anymore.
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Really productive.

 

[1500]

At first, could you please stop giving mean or agressive answeres? Thanks.

Again, hope You understand it now. It is a difference if i sell an finished product or if i sell 20% percent of an finished product, and bring the rest later. Guild wars bring you the full package on date yxz. Horizion will come as Version 1.5 and will evolves until it reaches Version 1.9 or whatever they call it when the season is over and all features that are planned are included.

That is a difference the First model is more the traditional and the secound is more like early access like.

So you are new to season passes? You know they have been around for some time right? So you are saying the season pass on sale right now on steam, and have been for sale for years, is not traditional?

Again you are ignoring what the industry is doing, season passes are not new or like early access. You are also ignoring the fact that purchases GW2's expansion also gives you the base game, the very issue that people have with FD model.


If you don't like the flaws in your posts to be pointed out then don't post. Not my problem you are making poor examples and making ridicules statements. How about you address the counter points I made to your post instead of just ignoring them, or are you admitting they were ?

 

[Evil]

40% of people thinking your product is too expensive is still a major problem

However I can't really say there is a way to find out how the majority of the fanbase actually feel that would be representitive

Im sure they will have the metrics for that, and when the time comes they will drop the price just the same as the primary release.

 

[Soliluna]

It's getting a bit excessive and cyclical now isn't it. Yes my jaw dropped at the price, my jaw also dropped at how awesome the buggy looked. Shall we put the conversation on the back burner until we know what is coming and then decide whether it is worth it?

And if FD do not release those details until the future, shall we wait until the future to buy it?

It's a big ask of them for people to purchase something with only knowing a few details, but... it is an ask. Nobody is being forced.

 

[Dogeh]

I think you should get a discount for not having a revolution like your neighbours.

Excellent idea.
And we're nice and polite too.
Allegedly.

Buy it in Euros...the exchange rate is better than using Murican dollars.

And I love the Britishness of this game. So refreshing in a sea of Murican accents.

 

[Tassaran Vargas]

I've not read the whole of this thread. I can't be bothered as it's run to 45 pages already.... If this has already been mentioned then please accept my humble apologies but....

£40 (or £30 with loyalty discount), even if it's per year, every year for the "new season of expansions" is good value for money when you compare to other MMO games at £10 per month.

I'll just leave that here...

Fly safe commanders.

 

[Debido]

*raIses eyebrow then turns away* tell me when FD has finished the current alpha prototype thing.

most of the time I've spent in this game has been un-fun chores, it's all bones and no meat. ED is an academic example of bad gameplay design that is a mile wide but an inch deep that should be avoided.

Maybe they'll have finished the game in a few years, right now it feels like an alpha at best that sadly I spent money on, wish I'd waited a few years instead.

its not a bad business model, it's just a shallow soulless grind fest of a game that I have no faith will ever be more than that.

 

[Windscreen Smudge]

Im sure they will have the metrics for that, and when the time comes they will drop the price just the same as the primary release.

If they were going off of metrics we'd be paying $10 a month for the newsletter like SC backers do.
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There is no mathematical justification for their pricing other than "We think this will cover the costs over the next year if X amount of people buy it."

 

[Clawhammer]

So you are new to season passes? You know they have been around for some time right? So you are saying the season pass on sale right now on steam, and have been for sale for years, is not traditional?

Again you are ignoring what the industry is doing, season passes are not new or like early access. You are also ignoring the fact that purchases GW2's expansion also gives you the base game, the very issue that people have with FD model.


If you don't like the flaws in your posts to be pointed out then don't post. Not my problem you are making poor examples and making ridicules statements. How about you address the counter points I made to your post instead of just ignoring them, or are you admitting they were ?

Pls, take a breath read my post again, and additionally pls read the Q&A here.
I never talked about season passes, so i sadly dont know on wich planet you stranded

 

[CMDR Ramsgate]

So you read the poll as above? The poll is split into the top three answers which say its to expensive and the bottom three which say its not. That means 40% say it is to expensive and 60% say its not. Thats a quite a few then that think its to expensive then.

As I said, the third "too expensive" is nebulous. Actually, so is the first one. Only the second indicates extreme dissatisfaction, i.e. enough that the voter will not purchase the expansion at all. I wish there had been an option for the expansion being a little pricey, but not unfairly so. I would have chosen that one, because I do think $45 is on the high end for existing users, but not unfairly expensive. Just on the high end of fair.

Considering that forums in general, and these forums in particular, are pretty negative places, I stand by my analysis that this poll does not indicate a huge negative backlash from the community. The post I was actually replying to claimed that such a backlash exists, and I was explaining that I don't think this thread or this poll support that assertion.

 

[CiaphasHRO]

Somehow im loosing my faith in humanity at the moment.

1) you don´t like it you dont´buy it...
2) you like it but you think it´s to expensive...wait for a sale...there are always sales after some time
3) you like it you buy it
4) you are unsure...wait till we get more informations... choose 1),2) or 3)

The people at Frontier must be paid. They have to live. They need beer and pizza. The starting price of the product is the economic choice of Frontier alone...but you can decide what you are doing with your money...

I had to read so much hate and anger about the price that i could not believe it. Every newspage with the horizon announcement had this trolls in the comments.
I think that the price is fair. I will preorder this evening. I want qualitiy and i want that the game has the chance to develop.

Behind every company and behind every product are people making this stuff.

 

[1500]

Pls, take a breath read my post again, and additionally pls read the Q&A here.
I never talked about season passes, so i sadly dont know on wich planet you stranded

So the fact that Horizons is a season pass, means we are not talking about season passes. LOL that is a new one.

So you are just going to ignore my points then. Ok so no reason to continue to respond to your posts.

 

[Debido]

In theory? They've spent all their original money, very few new players are coming along as they've already reached the saturation point for the market of their original product. To find themselves over the next year they can only rely on the percentage of the existing base that think it is worth it, but more importantly a big chunk of fresh new customers that weren't interested in the euro trucker base game but would be interested in planetary landing and the other new features that should have been in the base game.

 

[Witcherman]

$60/base game. +$30 per expansion pack if you already own the game. For new users, $60 to buy in, and then $30 for each expansion after that.

Don't disincentive people from buying into the game as the current method does (you have to buy in when a new exp is released or you get hosed.)

People will gladly pay $100+ Net for your game, but you have to make it appetizing for both new and older players to keep paying for development. A higher pipeline retention rate (higher % of older users buying into each upcoming expansion) will lead to better results.

I agree with this. This is how almost everyone else in the gaming industry does things and that's for a good reason, because if you do what FD just did, then you're going to upset (rightfully so) everyone who just purchased the full game (minus the expansion). You only bundle full game plus expansion once the game has been out for a while, then you can do that without upsetting everyone.

Full Disclosure: I purchased the lifetime expansion pass last year so I'm not affected by FD's pricing/bundling model but it still upsets me and it has dis-incentivized all my other friends who did not purchase the lifetime pass to upgrade. They're upset and have sworn off ED "for the next couple of years" to wait for all the expansions come out before they invest any more money.

Great, there goes my wing. :-(

 

[jabberwalkie]

So the fact that Horizons is a season pass, means we are not talking about season passes. LOL that is a new one.

So you are just going to ignore my points then. Ok so no reason to continue to respond to your posts.

Please tell me you realize that at least with other season passes for games that there is a clearly defined goal with the content being added to the game? Saying, "Hey we are adding planet landing on lunar surfaces/planets without atmosphere, drive around in a vehicle, and some other stuff" isn't clear at all in what is being added outside of landing on moons and driving on them. I'm not trying to dissuade you from spending your money on the game, but please tell me you realize how ill defined the direction for this supposed season pass is.

 

[babelfisch]

They already do succeed.

 

[Brimstone]

I paid $60 for the game, and will pay $45 for the expansion, unless I want to grab the beta too which will be another $60. I'm okay with that, because I feel I've gotten more than $60 worth of enjoyment from the game already.