Hotas/Flight Stick Recommendations?

Have to admit, looking aty that Gladiator above, I'd never purchase it at any price. Not even a fiver. It's 2 hall effect sensors connected to a (guessing) STM32 all bunched into a lot of plastic. I see nothing better than most run of the mill sticks.

Open a warthog and you see plastic for sure all housed in a metal (alloy).

The X52s et'all were all junk.

Thing is with a little learning anyone can build these things. An Arduino for $6 could be connected to the same cheap parts and you have the same joystick. I recently bought a STM32 + 10 hall effect sensors for €12. I'm a 'creator'.. built my own laser cutter, my own milling machine, my own force feedback wheel (for ETS) and I build my own panels for Flight Sim 2020.

The point is.. Educate on what is these things. Mostly you're paying premium credits for lack-lustre performing items. An you really don't need to be spendng those credits on Elite D. It simply does not have the game play to support it.

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VKB make a metal base too, it's called the Gunfighter & the grips are (largely) interchangeable with the Gladiator range. I have a Gladiator (plastic gimbal) base, it doesn't feel like I got a lesser version it's very well designed & made and certainly better than I could do myself :)

If you are able to build or even just customise controllers to suit your specific needs more power to you.
 
There have been a lot of threads on this.

You can buy on the less expensive end ( T16k, X52, etc ), but they're going to break. Count on it. I went thru 3 - T16ks in under 2 years. If you figure in the new JS every year or so for $100+, and the annoying time you spend playing with increasing dead zones or 'wandering stick syndrome' ( T16ks are notorious for this as well )... spending a few bucks more NOW is a bargain when you think about it.

Do your self a favor and get a quality joystick / HOTAS. VKB makes a very good product for a decent price ( NXT is under $200 now, I paid almost $350 the Gladiator II and SCG upgrade 3 years ago ). VIRPIL is awesome, but out of my range. Warthog I've heard mixed reviews. Win-Wing I don't know, but they look good.

One thing I think that is rarely mentioned : VKB, VIRPIL, and other hi-end sticks can be repaired with parts from the vendor. Think about that. If a sensor or button breaks, you can fix it with parts the vendor will send you. After two years, I got overly enthusiastic one night and snapped a 4-way hat button off my Gladiator II SCG handle. OOPS ! A quick email, and 5 days later I had a complete SET of hat buttons. Installed them myself in 20 minutes. Try that with a cheaper JS/HOTAS.

They can also be upgraded or modified : Newer handles, handle extensions, spring tension, physical button swaps/upgrades, desk mounts.. It's a deep dark rabbit hole, but you can build a full on cockpit unique to your style or preferences.

I totally understand the hesitation in splashing out $200 for a 'toy'. Thats why I bought 4 T16ks.. at $60-80 a shot on sale over a few years, plus shipping, plus not playing while I wait for it to arrive, plus the time I spent playing with a dying JS..
 
One thing about the EVO range is that the gimbals have ball-bearings so it isn't just a plastic-on-plastic construction. In fact the gimbal is made from glass-fibre-reinforced PA whilst the base & grip are made from industrial grade ABS.

The one thing I find strange is the "stalk" of the HATs - it just "feels" different to fingers used to CHPro Fighterstick and Virpil Alpha buttons.

For sure the Virpil is a magnitude higher "quality" but it is also a magnitude higher cost. ;)
 
Just had a little look at some of these suggestions...boy do they get expensive 😅

The Warthog looks pretty good, but £400 is a bit pricey for me.

The X52/X56 seem a lot more affordable so might go in that direction.

Still got at least a month to decide and still have my Frankenmaster One for now.


The X56 is a strange beast.

It looks and feels like it's good value for money but it's performance is... "variable".
When it's working properly, combined with the look and feel of it, you'll think it was the smartest decision you ever made.
It's fairly robust, it works well and it's controls are very precise.

But then things will start happening.

Even if you don't buy an old Saitek-branded stick and suffer hardware issues, you absolutely WILL suffer with "ghost inputs" which, at first, will make you think you pushed the wrong button but then, eventually, you'll realise is a problem endemic to the stick.

There are people who'll say you can "fix" this problem by turning down the lighting on the stick, thus drawing less current from the USB port and providing more for the stick's circuitry.
This isn't the cause of the problem.
I've tested this extensively (in-line USB monitor output to graphing software) and there's NEVER been a voltage drop to the stick, while playing ED, but I still get "ghost inputs" while playing.

It's always the same buttons that generate the ghost inputs.
My guess would be that the controller firmware is a bit shonky and, under specific circumstances, inputs from various other controls, combined, will generate the output for a different control and, thus, activate it even though you didn't press that button.

The best workaround for this problem, IMO, is to use the stick for a couple of months, figure out which (if any) controls are producing "ghost inputs" and then simply move that control to a different button.
For example, let's say you allocate the Landing Gear control to switch SW1.
You play for a couple of months and discover that your landing gear lowers at randon times.
To "fix" it, go back to the control setup and set the Landing Gear control to SW2 instead.

The controller will continue to generate "ghost inputs" from SW1 but nothing will happen because there's no longer a control for ED attached to that switch.

I can only speak for myself but I've found the controls on the X56 joystick to work perfectly and the controls on the X56 throttle grip work perfectly too.
The problems are all with the toggle-switches on the throttle base - and though they're nice to have it's easy enough to just not use those switches at all.

In summary...

Would I pay £219.99 (or whatever the current MSRP is) for an X56?
No, I wouldn't.
I'd look for a Logitech-branded X56 on eBay and buy it for up to £100-odd.

I got lucky with mine.
I visited a local house-clearance auction and I picked up my X56, in brand-new condition, for £45.

Spend around £100 on a Logitech X56 and you'll be happy with it (providing you're prepared to work around the "ghost inputs").
Buy one new, for MSRP, and you'll probably be a bit annoyed that it isn't as good as it "should" be.
 
Like everything Logitech I have ever owned, my X56 Flight Stick is doing its death dance so I'm on the hunt for a replacement. The throttle still works fine so I'm just looking for a stick. Any suggestions particularly for someone moving 'away' from the X56? TBH I'd been lucky with mine, I got 4 years out of it so I can't complain. However since neither Scan or Overclockers have them and the Interweb slates them, I won't buy Logitech again if I can help it.

Looked at VKB but I can only find them in $$ which may as well be Bushels when it comes to support and the Warthog is £250... for a joystick??? I could refuel my car TWICE for that much money. Does it win the game for me or what?
 
Like everything Logitech I have ever owned, my X56 Flight Stick is doing its death dance so I'm on the hunt for a replacement. The throttle still works fine so I'm just looking for a stick. Any suggestions particularly for someone moving 'away' from the X56? TBH I'd been lucky with mine, I got 4 years out of it so I can't complain. However since neither Scan or Overclockers have them and the Interweb slates them, I won't buy Logitech again if I can help it.

Looked at VKB but I can only find them in $$ which may as well be Bushels when it comes to support and the Warthog is £250... for a joystick??? I could refuel my car TWICE for that much money. Does it win the game for me or what?

VKB European shop:

VKB Global landing page if you want a different location:
 
VKB European shop:

VKB Global landing page if you want a different location:
Thank you kindly but thanks to fu*£$n!#% BREXIT, I don't want Customs and Excise turning up at my door three weeks after getting the goods to charge tax. Also, if there's any reason to RMA, I'm not going through that nonsense with shipping because we're back to 1970s border rules.

I'm looking for a UK reseller who actually has whichever joystick in the warehouse and only after I've phoned to have them visually confirm that it's there. In the 22nd century, we like our websites to say that goods are 'in stock' until I have clicked all the way through to 'transaction successful' and then be told it's on back order.

BTW I'm reading that the 'black' version of the X56 may not have the QA issues of the older blue one ( which I had ). Did someone open up a blue one next to a black one and show the differences or is that just the unqualified social media opinion of some Logitech Fanboi / Shareholder? Do they come from the same factory as their premium MX mice because I've had three of those and different times to prove that they're garbage for reliability.

Otherwise it seems that the absurdly overpriced T'master is the only option.
 
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Thank you kindly but thanks to fu*£$n!#% BREXIT, I don't want Customs and Excise turning up at my door three weeks after getting the goods to charge tax. Also, if there's any reason to RMA, I'm not going through that nonsense with shipping because we're back to 1970s border rules.

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VKB is best mid-range and good price.

Re the VAT - what happens is when the stick goes to the courier, the courier emails you a bill for the VAT, you pay the courier (I use paypal for both) - the stick arrives, no bother.

Interestingly Virpil now do the VAT on your purchase (they used to be like above) as I discovered when ordering new cams. (This saves you paying the courier's "transaction fee" that they charge you for doing the VAT payment - about £15.) - Though virpil gear is MUCH more expensive.

Go VKB, you won't regret it https://flightsimcontrols.com/product/gladiator-evo-space-combat-edition/


BTW - good luck finding someone in the UK with sticks at reasonable costs - for example buying a CHPro Fighterstick from say Flightstore.co.uk will cost over £160 (at least).
 
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VKB is best mid-range and good price.

Re the VAT - what happens is when the stick goes to the courier, the courier emails you a bill for the VAT, you pay the courier (I use paypal for both) - the stick arrives, no bother.

Interestingly Virpil now do the VAT on your purchase (they used to be like above) as I discovered when ordering new cams. (This saves you paying the courier's "transaction fee" that they charge you for doing the VAT payment - about £15.) - Though virpil gear is MUCH more expensive.

Go VKB, you won't regret it https://flightsimcontrols.com/product/gladiator-evo-space-combat-edition/


BTW - good luck finding someone in the UK with sticks at reasonable costs - for example buying a CHPro Fighterstick from say Flightstore.co.uk will cost over £160 (at least).
Sounds like we have a winner then, thank you both for the steer
 
Before anything, buy a cheap T.Flight Hotas, no matter if is hotas X or ONE, but buy something cheap, because if you end up not liking the HOTAS experience you didn't lost that much.

Also, the T.flight has enough buttons if you know how to make combinations (something like alt+ctrl+del) but on the stick, i have almost all of the keybinds on the stick and if i want to be more comfortable i just use a cheap numpad+runing interceptor and thanks to that have a full 15+ key button box now.

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The VKB's and Virpil's look really nice. But I have two of these currently, one of each of the new pc/old pc. Available from amazon us for 32 usd or so. Not the greatest, but works, and doesn't break the bank or require approval with the financial controller.

Logitech G Extreme 3D Pro Joystick for Windows - Black/Silver​

 
I could be wrong, maybe they're just responding to the original OP rather than my later query. On the other hand that was six weeks ago. Hmm, did I basically 'necro' ( is that the phrase? ) this thread?
 
I could be wrong, maybe they're just responding to the original OP rather than my later query. On the other hand that was six weeks ago. Hmm, did I basically 'necro' ( is that the phrase? ) this thread?

Either the OP or your original post which said " ... my X56 Flight Stick ..." - just a case of them typing without relevance. ;)
 
Scan.co.uk ch fighterstick pro £108 inc

They also do a lot more stuff. I bought my msfs alpha and bravo honeycombe from them

Flightstore is always a rip off.
 
Hey guys and gals...

I’ve recently bought myself a shiny new PC in anticipation of the console transfer next month and I’m looking for recommendations on decent Hotas set ups.

I’m already more than familiar with the tragically designed Hotas One for the Xbox (seriously I had to open, clean & re-solder the whole thing to get it working properly), so pretty much anything would be a step up 😂
A good mouse is far better for weapons accuracy. I own the high end version of the VKB Gunfighter... aluminum chassis, etc.

The mouse is far better for actually hitting things with fixed weapons.
 
Got my VKB NXT EVO on order. Meanwhile been getting used to tolerating my old Razor Wolverine Ultimate. HOTAS fans ( of which I am one but since it's broken... ) are going to hate me but... the controller is actually working out really well. In fact, in many respects, for me personally, it's better. It's more comfortable; with my headset on I don't blindly hunt for the HOTAS buttons which are all over the throttle base; menu navigation is far better implemented on the controller; I have more button combo mappings than I can use whereas on the X56, everything was allocated. That really surprised as I assumed I could put far more controls on my X56... nope! There's always the X56 'Mode' switch but for me it never did anything.

However the controller is useless in the long run:

1) I cannot deadshot sub-systems. Fixed weapons are the main stay of my arsenal and despite the proportional control of the sticks, I cannot quickly target accurately.
2) I cannot find a good way to map lateral thrust without compromising some aspect of rotation which is no good for FA off.

I did open my X56 stick and re-solder about 13 contacts which looked aged and corroded but it made no difference. From the marks on the PCB, it's pulling a lot more current that it likes ( USB 2.0 spec notiwthstanding ).

Glad I didn't go to Virpil. No 'twist' ( really?! ) and it ships from Belarus... yeah err no!
 
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Glad I didn't go to Virpil. No 'twist' ( really?! ) and it ships from Belarus... yeah err no!

Yes it has twist axis. " ... All-Metal Twist Axis Mechanism with Lockout ... "

Ships from Vilnius in Lithuania.

P.S. Enjoy the NXT EVO it is a great stick.
 
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Yes it has twist axis. " ... All-Metal Twist Axis Mechanism with Lockout ... "

Ships from Vilnius in Lithuania.

P.S. Enjoy the NXT EVO it is a great stick.
I take your point on the twist axis - that'll learn me for not reading enough. BTW the website says they're in Belarus. Couldn't find a reference to Lithuania, although clearly my reading isn't great. Not that I could see a good reason to pay the extra except that the Alpha is a fantastic looking stick... although I'll never actually see it whilst playing.
 
I take your point on the twist axis - that'll learn me for not reading enough. BTW the website says they're in Belarus. Couldn't find a reference to Lithuania, although clearly my reading isn't great. Not that I could see a good reason to pay the extra except that the Alpha is a fantastic looking stick... although I'll never actually see it whilst playing.

Yea they are a Belarusian company but they have their European distribution centre in Lithuania presumably because it is in the EU. They have a distribution centre in the USA now as well I believe.

When the Ukraine invasion happened the Virpil logo on their website was changed to be a blue star with a yellow dove of peace flying from it (still like that) - in place of the red star with a red plane (which is still on their products). I assume they are being careful due to their government's actions and from your link it seems the Belarusian site has the red version - can't blame them.
 
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