How can Frontier promote this?

[Bitter Jeweler]

Planet Coaster's Facebook page had featured a creation...

The post reads:

"This coaster is a fantastic example of Nikanor thinking outside of the box!
Very contemporary and opens up Pandora's Box of creative opportunities."

The coaster:

[video=youtube;ENrWJw4zlh0]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ENrWJw4zlh0[/video]


My question is, how can Frontier promote this as an example creative possibilities
in Planet Coaster, when they have put restrictions on coasters which make
this now impossible to create?

This was posted August 30th, AFTER the release of Alpha 3 and all it's creativity hampering restrictions.

[mad]

 

[Gord1]

Do you own the game? My guess is no because if you did you would know that this is completely possible and that they removed some of the restrictions that came with alpha 3. That's how they can promote this.

 

[Bitter Jeweler]

Do you own the game? My guess is no because if you did you would know that this is completely possible and that they removed some of the restrictions that came with alpha 3. That's how they can promote this.

 

[breezerHOG1]

I much more enjoy the freedom of creativity this game offers, Ditch the "simulation" aspect!

I was hoping this alpha would showcase more features, like management, but what Im really concerned about is how Frontier will handle the campaign objectives. I keep seeing comments about how the "realism factor of coasters will play into the campaign objects" which is not the direction I am excited for, but I still have high hopes for Frontier to deliver a great final product [up]

 

[Bitter Jeweler]

I will happily accept Gord's apology when offered.



From the creator:

 

[funny_speed_spin]

First of all, this cube is a good promotion. You see "the possibilities" you see how far you can go in bending a track, how the details of the rail and trains are and how the train react on such a track. You see an unusual "thing". That´s what i think.

And it is perfect to get the people talk about.

Except .. we can´t do it anymore in Alpha 3 (what a mess!)

Original text:

This coaster is a fantastic example of Nikanor thinking outside of the box! Very contemporary and opens up Pandora's Box of creative opportunities.

Quote by https://www.facebook.com/PlanetCoaster/

It is just an example and they did shared also many other, creative builts.

But:
https://forums.planetcoaster.com/showthread.php/9420-Planet-Coaster-Alpha-3-launch-and-Update-notes
They showed it after the release of alpha 3 and i think or would mind that the person who did the post didn´t know about the restrictions in depth. A simple communication problem. As the rest of the team is very busy with finishing the game, no one noticed it, to correct it (if it should be).

Otherwise, it would be a lie or they planned already to throw the restriction out of the window. I HOPE SO!

But in what case ever, it was an unlucky post. I wouldn´t dramatize it, but i admit.. it doesn´t fit with all the user here which are wanting and beggin Frontier (inclusive me): 1) no restrictions and 2.) NO RESTRICTIONS ON COASTERS!


So yeah... HOW THE ❤︎❤︎❤︎❤︎ CAN FRONTIER PROMOTE THIS!??
...because they can.

I also hoped that the banking transition would be improved with Alpha 3 but it is still.. not smooth.
Maybe there is coming a post about how smooth a compact built coaster woth short segments is, next?
...just joking

 

[rdrunr7]

Maybe Frontier should put particular coaster restriction(s) within each scenario e.g. in this scenario try to build a Wendigo coaster with the following restrictions... And have all the other coasters not have any restrictions. Not sure if I'm explaining properly... what if in general there were no restrictions on all coasters. The only time any restrictions would be added would be if you were in a scenario & each scenario would have different restrictions for only certain coasters within that scenario. Well I know what I mean... [happy]

 

[funny_speed_spin]

^ good point! I understand what you mean. I also hope that it have just something to do with the career mode and they just testing it, now.

I think the problem with the restrictions are, that they are wayyy to unrealistic. No overbanked turns on B&M hyper coaster or hydraulic launch as example. Coaster types which offering high speeds and having also in real life those over 90 degree banking sections.

 

[Periocus]

Thanks to this thread is was able to recover the Coasters from Alpha 1. Thank you Bitter Jeweler and Nikanor.

I just realized how much the coaster builder degenerated and improved from Alpha 1 towards Alpha 3 at the same time.
More and more reality - more and more less creativity in my opinion. But we could have both.

I also noticed that with just deleting all restrictions, as it was in Alpha 1, it is not done. It needs some extra work here.

 

[pwc1]

I'm definitely more in line for creativity than realism.

 

[Periocus]

Well that is the point. If they had continued improving the Alpha 1 Coaster Builder with the new features from Alpha 2 (more twisting and banking of tracks) and Alpha 3 (block brakes for example) instead of restricting it at the same time we could have had both in my opinion.

If i try to improove my Alpha 1 coasters in Alpha 3 the programme screams "STOP IT! What are you doing?" Currently i try to give one of them block brakes and correcting the track. I will upload it when i am done.

The challenge to create something new, something awsome, which isn't real, but could be due to the received data is in a hugh proportion gone in my opinion.
After inspecting i meanwhile doubt we will get back what we had (which is a really hugh minus compared to RCTW), though deep inside i still hope i am so wrong.

 

[Vampiro]

Unfortunatly another example [sad]

I hope this get's fixed soon. And i agree it's a little weird to see things promoted that are no longer possible to build. Probably Frontier isn't aware, so i can't blame them but it's another good way to let them know that the restrictions are not doing the game any good.

 

[JayBlastOne]

I think this game will die after release.....





[ironie off] #firstworldproblems

 

[Joël]

Probably Frontier isn't aware, so i can't blame them but it's another good way to let them know that the restrictions are not doing the game any good.

Thanks to everyone's feedback, Frontier is now aware of these restrictions. [wink]

 

[Vampiro]

Thanks to everyone's feedback, Frontier is now aware of these restrictions. [wink]

Hahaha yes, i think they already were aware, thats why they lifted some restrictions in the update.

I doubt however they realize the effect of some of those limitations, this is another great example of how it's limiting stuff that even Frontier themselfs likes enough to use it for promotion [big grin]

 

[Meretrix]

Actually you can build track like that.... I did it for my Leviathan coaster in my Oberland park which was started after Alpha 3. I'll post pics here when I get to my desktop.

 

[Bitter Jeweler]

Thanks to everyone's feedback, Frontier is now aware of these restrictions. [wink]

I appreciate your sarcasm.

It strengthens my point that it is deceptive to promote something they know can no longer be done, heralding a player for "thinking outside the box" while they built a stronger box to prevent that very freedom of thinking. [redface]

All Frontier has to do, is delete that post, and feature Nikanor's newest version of that ride, built in Alpha 3.
It's actually a better coaster anyway!

Planet Coaster's Facebook posts are advertising.
It's wrong to suggest to a possible customer that all things are possible, when they aren't.

 

[Joël]

I appreciate your sarcasm.

It strengthens my point that it is deceptive to promote something they know can no longer be done, heralding a player for "thinking outside the box" while they built a stronger box to prevent that very freedom of thinking. [redface]

All Frontier has to do, is delete that post, and feature Nikanor's newest version of that ride, built in Alpha 3.
It's actually a better coaster anyway!

Planet Coaster's Facebook posts are advertising.
It's wrong to suggest to a possible customer that all things are possible, when they aren't.

Sorry Bitter Jeweler. My original post is not meant as being sarcastic. I'm merely trying to say that Frontier is reading all of the feedback on the forums. I'm not trying to say that everything is possible in Planet Coaster. That's all there is to my original post.

 

[Vampiro]

All Frontier has to do, is delete that post, and feature Nikanor's newest version of that ride, built in Alpha 3.

I disagree!

Let me correct you :

"All Frontier has to do, is remove the limitations, and feature Nikanor's newest version of that ride, built in Alpha 3." [wink]

 

[Periocus]

Sorry Bitter Jeweler. My original post is not meant as being sarcastic. I'm merely trying to say that Frontier is reading all of the feedback on the forums. I'm not trying to say that everything is possible in Planet Coaster. That's all there is to my original post.

Reading is one thing.

In Alpha 2 people asked for less restrictions and they decided to put more in, taking only a few back.
I don't want to be silent until all those restrictions are out again and even more are taken out like no scenery within a flat.

I have been patient watching building makers getting their things in the trust not being forgotten. Convincing people everything would be fine.
Meanwhile i think this behaviour might turned out to be a mistake.