I dare say as we move forward and Frontier and us try new things, that things will change, sometimes positive, sometimes not, but the one thing frontier DO is listen, so im not worried, im desperate for free running blocks (provided the section is clear) we dont have that yet, but Frontier know we want it, so im not worried.
How can Frontier promote this?
- Thread starter Bitter Jeweler
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Any luck?
I seem to be in the minority here, but I actually like having the restrictions the ensure I build plausible coasters that could realistically be recreated in real life, without me having to KNOW that "block brakes wouldn't really work when placed at a 12 degree banking".
The point of this thread is Frontier is advertising "out of the box" creativity with something that can no longer be made in the game.
In the simplest terms:
"HEY! LOOK WHAT YOU CAN DO IN PLANET COASTER!!!" *
*(But you can't actually do this)
In the simplest terms:
"HEY! LOOK WHAT YOU CAN DO IN PLANET COASTER!!!" *
*(But you can't actually do this)
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I think maybe you are taking this a little too seriously dont you? To the casual observer who knows nothing about coasters or about the current state of the game, they are not going to care. It looks impressive that's all that matters in the end and Frontier are aware of the issue.
And we all know your position on this considering you have talked about little else since alpha 3 has dropped.
It will get sorted ...
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Some would like to have a bigger parkmap. Some would like to have the freedom of the Coaster Builder back.
If you look at it in that perspective, you might understand.
People from the forum are talking about the map, over and over and over again.
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I'm with Bitter on this, it's really strange to advertise and promote something that you can't do in the game, it's misleading. It's also just a bit weird that they promoted lifting restrictions in the name of giving us more freedom and the power to do what we want, but...more restrictions were then put in place.
"We lifted the restrictions to give you guys more freedom!"
*puts in more restrictions to limit freedom
There's just a very mixed message in the promotional material where you promote freedom but then on the flip side you lock us out of said freedom. I've been a big advocate for a cheat code that unlocks the restrictions. Disable cheats for the campaign mode so you can maintain the "realism" integrity. For sandbox/challenge, let players enter a cheat code if they want to unlock restrictions.
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Vampiro
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I must say im with Bitter Jeweler at this one (even tough that was already pretty obvious
)I don't think you are correct when you say "To the casual observer who knows nothing about coasters or about the current state of the game, they are not going to care." Just looking at this thread, the feedback on the last update and a lot of other threads proves you are wrong. The people who know the game now care, so it will benefit the game if it's being taken care of since we are probably a nice representation of the general public. (Thats why we're early birds after all aren't we)
And indeed Frontier is aware, and they sorted some of it in the last update but not nearly everything. I have to admit the most serious one's are solved but i would still like to see the other restrictions be gone as well. But ofcourse that's just a matter of opinion. (As said before, i love realism, but as long as we have floating castle's and floating islands it won't hurt the game at all to have coasters that might have slightly unrealistic track elements such as a curved chainlift)
Last but not least i think Bitter Jeweler is trying to make another point here... Its about Frontier not being consequent.
At one time they promote unlimited creativity and they show this (very nice!) coaster which was made in a very creative way. But in the same breath they take it away and make it no longer possible to create such a coaster.
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Reading back my post it sounds again like im bashing Frontier, which is -not- my intention. I don't think they can be blamed for not being consequent since the people who were showing it are probably not the same people who put in the restrictions. And the game is quickly developing nowdays as well... So no blame on Frontier.
But i still think it's good to point this out. Im an Early Bird in the first place ofcourse to play this game early. But also because i love the game and i want it to be the best game possible. and i think it's also one of our "tasks" to make Frontier aware that what they show in this case, is no longer a representation of the current state of the game. Once again, not to bash Frontier or blame them... it's quite the opposite.
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You completely missed the point ..... In that people who are not in the know are not going to care, they are just going to look at what has been done and go wow thats nice. This isnt misrepresenting the game or doing some of of false advertising like the OP seems to be suggesting.
Its a total over reaction, which was my point, and as stated Frontier are aware of this, so whats the problem? If Frontier have a massive advertising campagn at release where they clearly show something that the game cannot do (for example showing water rides, which might not be in version 1) then fair enough pull them up on that. This is a technicality at best, pulling Frontier up on stuff like this is just silly, when they know full well there is an issue that needs fixing.
I am with Bitter on this. I don't mind which way it goes in honesty. I will live with either (although have been coming around to less restrictions compared to my view point before) and can say that this is certainly miss-leading and really miss-representation of the game.
If you can't do something with it then don't promote it. There will be a ton of people who go "oh this is cool" I want to build something like this and then get super frustrated they can't and then will come to steam/forums and there will be 200 threads on "why can't I build this????"
Please put back the ability to build such a creation and allow the other restrictions that people want removed to be done so as well. The height restriction was actually the least of the issues because of how engineering works. The other restrictions are much easier to work with as they are pure cost. Engineers have solutions to the others.
To a point the height restriction is the same principle but actually upon loading a coaster with the forces at taller heights and keeping it within budget is much more difficult than the curved lift hills, curved breaks etc that people are asking for.
Regards,
Adam
If you can't do something with it then don't promote it. There will be a ton of people who go "oh this is cool" I want to build something like this and then get super frustrated they can't and then will come to steam/forums and there will be 200 threads on "why can't I build this????"
Please put back the ability to build such a creation and allow the other restrictions that people want removed to be done so as well. The height restriction was actually the least of the issues because of how engineering works. The other restrictions are much easier to work with as they are pure cost. Engineers have solutions to the others.
To a point the height restriction is the same principle but actually upon loading a coaster with the forces at taller heights and keeping it within budget is much more difficult than the curved lift hills, curved breaks etc that people are asking for.
Regards,
Adam
Advertising features in a game that you can't actually do in the game creates a pretty big problem. Someone will see Frontier promoting this and then when they try to recreate it, they can't. It's very misleading.
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Vampiro
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I don't know what you mean by this?
What is the issue they need to fix? (Those restrictions are not a technicality , they added them on purpose)
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RCT1/2/3 all had most if not more restrictions than there are currently in PC and I never once heard anyone complaining about those restrictions when they were in their prime and now suddenly they are a problem??
Frontier advertising something that you cant do is an issue though
Frontier advertising something that you cant do is an issue though
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I think the point of this thread is not about the restrictions specifically but about the fact that Frontier have advertised something which isn't true.
Some people get it.
Some people miss the point. [wink]
Some seem to have no problem with false advertising.
The personal insults and jabs are just icing on the cake.
Hey guys,
I just wanted to stop by and leave a really quick reply here. [wink]
First of all, thanks for highlighting the discrepancy between what was posted on Social Media and what was possible in the game at the current point.
You're right, it was an error. When the team looked through the workshop items they often find things that look really cool and want to share them with the world. On this occasion it turns out that the item posted wasn't actually possible with the current build of the game.
Sorry for any confusion caused. While it's possible with a game in alpha and iterative development that this can happen we understand the frustration and will try and be as vigilant as possible when promoting out the workshop content. [wink]
Just for a little context, the reason this is no longer possible is for coaster authenticity. There aren't any real world examples that we know of where an LSM launches on banked or curved track. An LSM fin is unable to propel a train on a curve or bank transition as it’s designed to pass through a linear slot under each car.
However, you will be pleased to know that LSMs will be available on sloped tracks in the future (but not curved or banked).
Thanks,
Zac
I just wanted to stop by and leave a really quick reply here. [wink]
First of all, thanks for highlighting the discrepancy between what was posted on Social Media and what was possible in the game at the current point.
You're right, it was an error. When the team looked through the workshop items they often find things that look really cool and want to share them with the world. On this occasion it turns out that the item posted wasn't actually possible with the current build of the game.
Sorry for any confusion caused. While it's possible with a game in alpha and iterative development that this can happen we understand the frustration and will try and be as vigilant as possible when promoting out the workshop content. [wink]
Just for a little context, the reason this is no longer possible is for coaster authenticity. There aren't any real world examples that we know of where an LSM launches on banked or curved track. An LSM fin is unable to propel a train on a curve or bank transition as it’s designed to pass through a linear slot under each car.
However, you will be pleased to know that LSMs will be available on sloped tracks in the future (but not curved or banked).
Thanks,
Zac
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Aye, although I would also suggest that although people didn't complain back then, we do expect a lot more considering when the last one was released. And the fact that we have seen the game run without the restrictions very well shows that it would be possible to allow no restrictions.
It may well be once we can mod things that it changes but the core mechanic of the coaster builder needs bringing in line with what is feasible today let alone in 5 years. The engineering knowledge in real life is there, the simulation to create much more advance coasters is there and with the latest press release about a winged launch coaster it shows the only limit is what people are willing to pay for.
These are the arguments that people are putting forward, showing real world applications and so saying, hey frontier can we have this please.
What I would really like is it to be open season in sandbox and in the management, have to pay to research these things such as curved lift hills, launched wing coasters, curved break blocks. They could then unlock for your coasters maybe with different tech trees for different coaster types that you can choose to work through a bit like age of empire as you moved down the tech tree.
This would allow things not only from the R&D but would allow the marketing team in PC (in game) to say have an open day where you reveal an amazing new ride with an all new lift hill never seen before.
If we are getting management where we are competing against AI parks (ala Theme Hopsital style) it could be that this has a large impact on those surrounding parks who loose ratings as you pull all the crowds in.
There is a lot that can go with the restrictions not being restrictions if worked right and they seem to be missed or at least dismissed very quickly.
This goes similar to other things that are more off topic but stuff such as: multiple mascot outfits, character skill training in specific areas etc.
Anyways back on topic, please do something like my suggestion above Frontier as at least then there is a penalty cost to doing it. It would be cool to see dossiers with simulation playing showing your R&D team researching and calculations that an engineer produced to show it. Different concepts of design so it looks like someone has really been working on it and as the research hits different milestones 20% , 40% , 60% etc you can see more information in the dossier. It could even have failed tests and notes from an engineer.
Could Frontier not maybe hire a consulting coaster engineer to create these little details. They would add so much to the game that is mean t to be PLANET COASTER.
I am not even a coaster nut or anything but would appreciate this so much more. The little detail that goes into things such as this is what makes people 'Love' a game rather than 'like it'
Regards,
Adam
p.s sorry for rambling but just had so many thoughts then on what could be done.
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Sorry, think you must have edited your post just as I clicked the reply button. But my comment is still valid for a lot of posts in this thread, if I hadn't quoted you. [knockout]
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