How can we 'see' in supercruise? Any hints or official explanations whatsoever?
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No, you're warping the space around you, contracting it in front and extending it behind you. Thus you are travelling at superluminal speeds - it's just that your ship is at rest while the space around it moves.
God, no. Light would reach you eventually since supercruise is never always above the speed of light.
And nothing you described would ever happen -- the FSD is not an Alcubierre Drive. They are inherently different, mechanically non-similar, and functionally opposites.
Please read Chapter 1 of the Guide for an in-depth comparison: https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php?t=106861
Btw, even if it *was* an Alcubierre, light could still get through -- it all comes down to the energy frequency factoring -- and there is no "gamma ray burst": the proposed damaging effect of the Alcubierre is an energetic outburst shockwave, not ionizing radiation.
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My dear, if you had deigned to actually read my post then you'd have seen that I was talking about supercruise.
And "energetic outburst shockwave"? What the hell is that supposed to be? Magical mystery physics? It is a gamma ray burst. Look it up.
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No, you weren't. And you don't understand Physics because of this rubbish "energetic shockwave". What is that supposed to be? Unicorns pushing the electrons around?My darling, so was I.
And "energy frequency factoring" could be straight out of Star Trek. They usually also did a lot of handwaving.
The FSD puts you into Witchspace - another dimension where relativity and laws are different. Supercruise puts you partly into that frame of reference where Jumping to another star puts you right into that dimension (where all the bad souls go when they die - thus screaming and whispering heard by pilots travelling through sounding like witches). Thargoids apparently use this dimension. Remember what happened in Event Horizon- don't mess.
I'm not sure what is meant but from what I can glean, energy frequency factoring is trying to determine the frequency of energy emanating from said energy shockwave. A gamma ray is on the more energetic of "energy frequencies" so said wave could consist of gamma, x, UV, microwave, radio or whatever else depending on what that factoring resolves to.
A GRB is an energetic shockwave, in a sense. Ahead of it, calm, background radiation, a sudden wave or shock of energy, then calm background radiation. That is what a shockwave is, right?
A GRB is an energetic shockwave, in a sense. Ahead of it, calm, background radiation, a sudden wave or shock of energy, then calm background radiation. That is what a shockwave is, right?
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Well, the problem is that, first of all, we'd need to talk about what kind of energy we're talking about. Electromagnetic? Electric? Magnetic? Kinetic? Potential / Gravitic?
Next up, there's the slight problem that energy does not possess the frequency attribute. Oscillations do (such as EM waves).
Thirdly, a shock wave is comprised of tangible particles (moving faster than the speed of sound). Gamma rays are very much non-tangible and not bound to the sound speed limit. For Gamma rays to possess a shock wave, they'd thusly need to be at least superluminal.
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Our laws and rules don't apply if we're able to go somewhere they can be broken.
Energy does possess a frequency attribute. As someone who has done enough wave equations that my brains should be nicely scoopable, energy is expressed in fields, waves, frequencies. You can't have a wave without a frequency...else, how do explain a wave without the frequency of peaks and valleys?
In space, we are primarily going to be talking about the radiative energy, which is also known as electromagnetism or light.
Shock wave is being taken a little more conceptually here, sorry physicists do that though shock wave was never limited to sound, it applies to ANY medium. Light travels as a field and is its own medium, add time to that field and you can have a shock wave in that field when there is a spike in energy. Turning a flahlight on and off would be a fair simulation of a very low energy shock wave. Shock wave is not limited to sound or mass.
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I won't waste my time with someone who attacks someone else when he can't wrap his mind around a concept, so I will answer what I can in hopes you research them further and improve upon your high school physics concepts you surely base everything upon. Oh, and wikipedia.
Shockwaves are not restricted to atmospherical conditions -- that only caracterizes a colision shockwave -- and they are not compirsed of tangible particles -- high energy particles colliding can also cause shockwaves. Please read about how shockwaves work and are defined in astrophysics, and while on the subject, read further about blastwaves.
Energy frequency does exist, and are not only restricted to oscillations. The most well known example is the Planck equation, a crucial part of quantum mechanics.
And finally, you clearly do not understand how an Alcubierre Drive (which is a 20 year old theory with nearly zero scientifical basis) really work, nor you see to realize the difference between an ionized radiation burst (gamma ray) from an energetical tangent field created at the normalization of space after something sweeps things along when it bends the spacetime curvature. I again urge you to please read Chapter 1 here (written by someone who actually studied this and do not research wikipedia everytime he writes on these forums) so you can differentiate them all: https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php?t=106861
That being said, all the best.
Rightyo, Monk. That's a basic quantum mechanical concept.
About GRB's, they are an energetic shockwave indeed -- the main difference between a GRB and the Alcubierre's aftereffect comes from the particles involved. Gamma rays are generated in a lot of manners, but an Alcubierre is not technically one of them -- the only way for gamma rays to hit the destination would be if they were swept along the way, everything else are normal particles and matter. But again, this is a posited side effect suggested in this decade and not present in the original theory.
Listen to this guy, he knows what he's talking about.
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My bad for sounding stupid. I thought in space, there's not much things to reflct light. You need sunlight to directly hit it to bounce off back into your eye. So unless you are looking at the sun directly, like a direct light souce or a direct reflection from a planet, you won't see much.
Where on earth, say you look under a shed, sure, the sun's light is blocked by the top of the shed, but you can still see inside, although it's darker, because light gets bounces around. In space you don't get that, so unless it's direct light, you don't see anything.
But I'm dumb. So I could be totally wrong.
No, energy does not possess a frequency attribute. Because we're talking about ENERGY here. Waves have both the frequency attribute and energy attribute. Not the other way around - you're putting the cart before the horse.
Next up: Shock waves are indeed narrowly defined as tangible particles travelling above the normal propagation speed of the medium. Light cannot have a shock wave as it is strictly limited to c as its upper speed limit.
Also: Strictly speaking, in a shock wave you don't get _one_ frequency, you get a multitude of them (which you can calculate through Fourier transformation).
Sorry, I do need to work on my people' skills.
I did not meant to call you dumb, only the conclusion you reached.You are right about not being able to see something unless there's light, but that doesn't mean you won't see nothing in space -- you can still see the starfield around you, planets far away, comets reflecting light sources, a ship passing in front of a star very far away, etc. In practice, although vacuum has very little matter and density, it has a lot of radiation, and a part of it is in the visible spectrum. As such, we can never predict fully well what we will see in space, but we do know we will see something.
Good grief. I think those guys here know a bit more about the subject matter than you do:
http://phys.org/news/2012-03-warp-killer-downside.html#nRlv
And good job on not understanding what the Planck relation describes. It describes the energy of a photon. Which is (it's shocking, I know) an electromagnetic wave which can double as a particle.
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This is one of those threads that instantly cause me to quietly exclaim "Oh, my lord.." whilst dropping my forehead into my palm and shaking my head slightly.
I am now following your example.
Thread unsubscribed. =P
Good job. He bailed before had to admit that he didn't know what he was talking about. Bravo!I am now following your example.
Thread unsubscribed. =P
Not to mention that this science guide is rubbish and does a very poor job of explaining stuff.
In case he ever walks in here again: What the hell is an "ionized radiation burst"?
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