How to stop the cheats?

[MegatronsFinger]

So it seems you also have used this if you know exactly how one works vs the other...right?

So why is it a problem at all. I’m going to agree that you’re correct, I honestly don’t know as I’ve never used QUIT to avoid dying. I always use Save and Exit but I don’t recall my shields not resetting but then again i PvP so rarely it doesn’t matter.

Just hoping to contribute to the topic. So let’s say they are using QUIT.

-Why have the developers designed their game to function in this way if it’s not intended?
lets get to the root of your concerns. It seems it’s designed this way

Save and quit was put in as an emergency measure, but it’s redundant. If an emergency crops up, you think I’m going to wait 15seconds? Hell no! The controller would be dropped without a second thought.

But once again, if you want to contribute, then offer a way to stop the logging! (Force quitting)

 

[MegatronsFinger]

@thelivingseadguy we’ve obviously met then but I’m unsure of who you are.
We’re you flying a fdl when we ‘met’?

 

[NewBlacksmurf]

Save and quit was put in as an emergency measure, but it’s redundant. If an emergency crops up, you think I’m going to wait 15seconds? Hell no! The controller would be dropped without a second thought.

But once again, if you want to contribute, then offer a way to stop the logging! (Force quitting)

Ive offered a few ways...it’s really simple

Best suggestion: Join a Private with others and set your own rules. Enforce punishment for not following the rules and enjoy the game. Stay out of Open.

If you insist on playing in OPEN:
- Stop attacking players outside of the base design. Missions, bounties, Power Play
- Understand everyone doesn’t want to play the way you want to play

Your focus on this is closely similar to how you play the game. It doesn’t seem that you’re open to feedback and that’s why you and others see this as a problem. Honestly at this point it’s concerning because on one side some of you have decided that design Xbox one features and designed Fdevs features are cheating.

As a result you all are on a mission to MAKE others do as you desire.

Reality is thats not going to happen but there are opportunities to discuss
1. The context of it all in hopes that some “get it”
2. Share different sides of the discussion so that some “get it”

but in the end, nothing NEEDS to change if we are under the agreement that THERE ARE NO RULES in OPEN. This seems to escape you alls understanding. No rules is no rules INCLUDING bailing on combat to avoid being destroyed.
That seems to be the intended design so while some results are undesirable for some, they are desired by others.

You cannot go anout a solution with the focus on how it best helps you and hurts others.
Its apparet that some players want a faster log out or opt out of combat so while you may disagree that their way isn’t right, we don’t see Fdevs doing anything about it.

In your email they told you their punishment for what they consider combat logging isnt going to make someone make someone scream so that’s their intended way to deal with it. It is what it is

 

[hypervoodoo77]

I don’t disagree! I said that I don’t approve of how the OP plays. It’s anti-social, self-gratifying nonesense that’s under-punished and damaging the game.

But, and this is important, he’s not breaking any rules and he’s well within his rights to be angry that others are.

I get you! I think we could easily find common ground.
O7

 

[DeanooBosho]

Think most off you lot have gone off track of the op post.
Attacking 1 player is not greithing (hate this community made up rubbish).

Killing a player over and over and over and over harassing him/her is, killing one cmdr is not.
So lets leave that there and get back on track on how to stops this dashboarding cheating.

I tell you know its worse then its ever been, a karma system wont work,cant see how it would.
C&P system well what will be will be and it wont stop cmdrs killing cmdrs.
In one week we had 70 cmdrs combat logging and reported them all. Most was more then once.
This was not just hey lets attack them this was defending the aliens after CMDR Jameson ship was found so all empire and feds was KOS.. and yes comms was sent before engagements.

Am i a what you call it? Greither? No there was a resion for it.

The message i got after was sickening one wanted to kill my family, one wanted me to die of cancer.

They cheated they should be banned simple.

 

[hypervoodoo77]

Actually I experienced a unique way of getting through griefing today.
Was running the old battle cow shieldless and full cargo at cg.
Like usual on xbox there was some griefing ( legitimate pirating too cudos).
Cmdr with cutter offered escort winged up and actually escorted me to destination and back.
It was brilliant I see great gameplay for combat pilots and traders both in this.

 

[NewBlacksmurf]

Think most off you lot have gone off track of the op post.
Attacking 1 player is not greithing (hate this community made up rubbish).

Killing a player over and over and over and over harassing him/her is, killing one cmdr is not.
So lets leave that there and get back on track on how to stops this dashboarding cheating.

I tell you know its worse then its ever been, a karma system wont work,cant see how it would.
C&P system well what will be will be and it wont stop cmdrs killing cmdrs.
In one week we had 70 cmdrs combat logging and reported them all. Most was more then once.
This was not just hey lets attack them this was defending the aliens after CMDR Jameson ship was found so all empire and feds was KOS.. and yes comms was sent before engagements.

Am i a what you call it? Greither? No there was a resion for it.

The message i got after was sickening one wanted to kill my family, one wanted me to die of cancer.

They cheated they should be banned simple.

actually go reread he first page again.
They are literally camping with the intent to kill any player that comes around.

Thats the definition of blocking content which is griefing. Let’s not come up with our own definitions.

But you are right we keep getting off topic.
BECAUSE that’s the problem not what is being suggested

combat logging is a player behavior concern that regardless of interpretation or circumstance is allowed. The OP later shared photos of their email with support (not the DeVs) who comments on both Save and Exit and Quit (where the OP suggests it’s cheating).

The clear solution is and has and has been since I started playing consistently over a year ago....JOIN a PRIVATE group or form your own PRIVATE group

Its nice to discuss but it’s been clear that one group feels another should play the way they want and others don’t want to play that way. The game and Xbox designs allow both QUIT and Save and Exit.

So maybe report players to Xbox Live but that doesn’t seem to be a solution per the email.
The solution is to leave OPEN and find a PRIVATE group with like minded players

 

[DeanooBosho]

Dude its dash boarding pulling the plug.

 

[NewBlacksmurf]

WOuldnt suck if all this was because someone’s game crashed. Just happened to me
imagine that....a bug keeps crashing people in combat. (I’m fighting NPCs)

 

[MegatronsFinger]

Ive offered a few ways...it’s really simple

Best suggestion: Join a Private with others and set your own rules. Enforce punishment for not following the rules and enjoy the game. Stay out of Open.

If you insist on playing in OPEN:
- Stop attacking players outside of the base design. Missions, bounties, Power Play
- Understand everyone doesn’t want to play the way you want to play

Your focus on this is closely similar to how you play the game. It doesn’t seem that you’re open to feedback and that’s why you and others see this as a problem. Honestly at this point it’s concerning because on one side some of you have decided that design Xbox one features and designed Fdevs features are cheating.

As a result you all are on a mission to MAKE others do as you desire.

Reality is thats not going to happen but there are opportunities to discuss
1. The context of it all in hopes that some “get it”
2. Share different sides of the discussion so that some “get it”

but in the end, nothing NEEDS to change if we are under the agreement that THERE ARE NO RULES in OPEN. This seems to escape you alls understanding. No rules is no rules INCLUDING bailing on combat to avoid being destroyed.
That seems to be the intended design so while some results are undesirable for some, they are desired by others.

You cannot go anout a solution with the focus on how it best helps you and hurts others.
Its apparet that some players want a faster log out or opt out of combat so while you may disagree that their way isn’t right, we don’t see Fdevs doing anything about it.

In your email they told you their punishment for what they consider combat logging isnt going to make someone make someone scream so that’s their intended way to deal with it. It is what it is

Dude are you even on this planet? Going in to a pg? How am I to meet randoms to shoot?
Not once did I say I sat outside a station.
I accept that people don’t want to play as I do and that’s fine but they should AT LEAST learn to escape a unwanted situation, remaining WITHIN the game and not taking the cowardly way out.

No rules in open, doesn’t mean you’re allowed to cheat!!
Now I’ve been more that patient with your ramblings, and request that you offer SENSIBLE solutions rather than simply join a pg.

 

[NewBlacksmurf]

Dude its dash boarding pulling the plug.

O K and so let’s go with that.

Their email point blank tells us ....no one cares.
Maybe they’ll get a timeout for 1-3 days.

Go Private and play...enjoy your gaming


im on a long trip with 30 mins left but gah i hope u all who love combat aren’t spending your free time on the forums instead

 

[NewBlacksmurf]

Dude are you even on this planet? Going in to a pg? How am I to meet randoms to shoot?
Not once did I say I sat outside a station.
I accept that people don’t want to play as I do and that’s fine but they should AT LEAST learn to escape a unwanted situation, remaining WITHIN the game and not taking the cowardly way out.

No rules in open, doesn’t mean you’re allowed to cheat!!
Now I’ve been more that patient with your ramblings, and request that you offer SENSIBLE solutions rather than simply join a pg.

This is your issue, and honestly the attitude that someone else is suppose to let you kill them is sad.
Reality....DeVs aren’t doing much and you all are frustrated cause you don’t want legitimate challenges you want to grief unsuspecting randoms. You can’t see you’re ruining it for you and others

 

[BirdWisdom]

How to stop the cheats from..... well cheating! (Logging)

So let me attempt to paint a picture here, from personal experience.

There I was sitting in my bi Weave clipper, just outside the bubble, looking for anyone that had the misfortune to cross my path. When all of a sudden a python pops up on my radar. So I turn to face my next potential victim and have a scan through the loadout of the ship. Hmm 3 multi’s and 2 pa’s. Wouldn’t have been my choice for a python but who am I to say what a Cmdr can have on a ship.
I round on him and fire off the interdictor, he submits. Weapons come out from both sides and a little dog fight and some pews were had.
It didn’t go as well as I had hoped, as both our shields dropped and the hulls were tumbling, the pythons more so than mine.
Then it happened! The python at 15% hull stops taking damage and flys in a straight line....... then after about a minute, disappears. The swine!!
I send a message asking if he had a dc, only to be called names that would make a sailor blush and stating that he intentionally logged.
Ok so now I’m sat there with my ship in literal pieces and he logs back in with a full health ship. (Is that fair or right? Nope!) he then proceeds to try a finish me off, so I do the only thing I can do and get the hell out of there, to land at a station and repair.

Ok, so it’s clear that he cheated to avoid death and then tried to ‘get revenge’.

What I propose is that when a dc happens the ship stays in the instance still able to take damage. This would eradicate logging overnight as all they would log back in to would be a rebuy screen.
Now if a genuine dc happens then a video is taken and sent in on a ticket. Hey presto! Money back. No video? Then you more than likely cheated and deserve the rebuy.
A system like this wouldn’t affect anyone but loggers and to be honest it’s rife in the community and needs to be stamped out.

As for the ‘safe log’, well it’s still logging out to avoid the death, only to log back in, so therefore it’s still cheating. I know that people say that it’s there for emergencies but if a genuine emergency crops up, I wouldn’t give a crap about the game I was playing. That controller would be dropped!

My suggestion is that it takes 3 minutes to log out when you are in battle and even when you lose your internet it will be the same for everyone

 

[MegatronsFinger]

My suggestion is that it takes 3 minutes to log out when you are in battle and even when you lose your internet it will be the same for everyone

Nice. Good suggestion.

 

[MegatronsFinger]

This is your issue, and honestly the attitude that someone else is suppose to let you kill them is sad.
Reality....DeVs aren’t doing much and you all are frustrated cause you don’t want legitimate challenges you want to grief unsuspecting randoms. You can’t see you’re ruining it for you and others

Never said that people should sit there and let me kill them. I want the challenge, I want the fight. If you don’t want to be in combat, leave via a honest way. Not one that involves shutting down the game. Low wake, high wake or beat me. It’s really that simple.

 

[thelivingdeadguy]

So it seems you also have used this if you know exactly how one works vs the other...right?

This is an utterly baseless and insulting accusation that I’d like you to apologise for.

Knowing how to cheat doesn’t mean I do.

This is such a ridiculous position to take that I thought about putting you on my ignore list. Something I’ve never done to anyone on here before.

I figured that maybe you’re upset or something is bothering you so you get the benefit of the doubt this time.

I insist on that apology though.

 

[Hessfire]

Never said that people should sit there and let me kill them. I want the challenge, I want the fight. If you don’t want to be in combat, leave via a honest way. Not one that involves shutting down the game. Low wake, high wake or beat me. It’s really that simple.

But your prior arguments indicating that Open is No Rules would seem to be at odds with this position. You cannot have your cake and eat it too.

Simply put you cannot claim that others are breaking the rules that you claim do not exist. If you think it okay to shoot and disrupt whom you please then I reserve the right to remove you from my presence by whatever means I deem appropriate.

 

[heliman001]

I am pretty sure I have encountered the OP a couple of times in Farseer's system.
1st time he pulled my quick Cutter and couldn't catch me, 2nd time he blew a vanilla clipper I had just bought to smithereens.
Had some comms with him and he didn't seem a bad lad.
I don't agree with his play style, but it is allowed so we have to live with it.
Logging is not something I would ever consider because it does detract from the game.
Mind you that is easy for me to say as I have a considerable amount of credits, I do get why people log, but I would say that prob 99% of the time it is done to preserve credits over everything else.

 

[MegatronsFinger]

But your prior arguments indicating that Open is No Rules would seem to be at odds with this position. You cannot have your cake and eat it too.

Simply put you cannot claim that others are breaking the rules that you claim do not exist. If you think it okay to shoot and disrupt whom you please then I reserve the right to remove you from my presence by whatever means I deem appropriate.

I’ll explain it slowly so that you understand.
Playing in open is do as you please, as long as it REMAINS within the rules of the game. I.e not logging.

Logging is cheating, this has been confirmed by fdev in neumerous messages to players.

Shooting whoever you please, isn’t cheating, also confirmed by fdev.

I have no problem people escaping from a situation but do it the correct way!!

 

[CMDR MRMAURICE]

@MegatronsFinger

Shut up Meg
Sorry lol had to do it