How to stop the cheats?

[MegatronsFinger]

I am pretty sure I have encountered the OP a couple of times in Farseer's system.
1st time he pulled my quick Cutter and couldn't catch me, 2nd time he blew a vanilla clipper I had just bought to smithereens.
Had some comms with him and he didn't seem a bad lad.
I don't agree with his play style, but it is allowed so we have to live with it.
Logging is not something I would ever consider because it does detract from the game.
Mind you that is easy for me to say as I have a considerable amount of credits, I do get why people log, but I would say that prob 99% of the time it is done to preserve credits over everything else.

I’ve ‘met’ you good sir?
I would have to disagree about the saving of credits though as I’ve had numerous ships in the higher ranks, ones that you’d expect to have enough credits, log on me.

@MegatronsFinger

Shut up Meg
Sorry lol had to do it

Lol. It’s all good.

 

[GSRTrent]

But your prior arguments indicating that Open is No Rules would seem to be at odds with this position. You cannot have your cake and eat it too.Simply put you cannot claim that others are breaking the rules that you claim do not exist. If you think it okay to shoot and disrupt whom you please then I reserve the right to remove you from my presence by whatever means I deem appropriate.

Combat logging (dashing boarding the game, pulling the power cord, pulling the Ethernet cord, etc.. to avoid a death) is cheating. I can even post screen shots where Frontier have said this. What do you have a problem with?

 

[Esquisite]

Reading some of the comments are shocking.

I wouldn't pop a ship that wasn't combat fit but I respect the right to be able to do it.

I fly exclusively in open and have been popperd numerous times in unarmed ships to murderous psychos.

Often when I'm flying through a bad neighbourhood.

Over time I learnt how to evade and enjoy the challenge. I've grown to enjoy PvP and won't take a rebuy unless the guy knows what he is doing or I allow it no matter what ship in in.

Simple fact is if you're logging you need to go to one of the PGs that caters for no PvP. It's not griefing anymore than shooting someone in GTA is.

Logging is cheating and yes everyone should play the game their own way but to avoid interaction even bad ones in an open sandbox style game is ridiculous and says alot about the character of the gamer.

It's not nice but man up and deal with it. Fly with a wing, find a faction, ask for advice. You'll find alot of the bad guys who pop you are happy to help you afterwards if you show no salt.

 

[thelivingdeadguy]

@thelivingseadguy we’ve obviously met then but I’m unsure of who you are.
We’re you flying a fdl when we ‘met’?

Frag vulture on my way to a CZ in Ho Hsi CG. You grabbed a wing mate of mine in a python, he high waked but I dropped in in a frag vulture. Did a couple of FA Off runs and then left as it was clear no one was going to win and I was burning ammo.

I think you were in either a conda or Vette though? Certainly not a DBX.

GG

 

[NewBlacksmurf]

This is an utterly baseless and insulting accusation that I’d like you to apologise for.

Knowing how to cheat doesn’t mean I do.

This is such a ridiculous position to take that I thought about putting you on my ignore list. Something I’ve never done to anyone on here before.

I figured that maybe you’re upset or something is bothering you so you get the benefit of the doubt this time.

I insist on that apology though.

You demand an apology....

Is the apology because you disagree that your accusation shouldn’t come from assumption or because my conclusion is based on the fact that you have to know how something works and that requires actual experience. Either you have done it or you’ve watched someone else do it.

If you feel offended, not sure why you chose offense but I’m not sure how you will choose to deal with that.

im not bothered by you only the mindset that you and others have. It’s not even about the game anymore.

 

[MegatronsFinger]

Frag vulture on my way to a CZ in Ho Hsi CG. You grabbed a wing mate of mine in a python, he high waked but I dropped in in a frag vulture. Did a couple of FA Off runs and then left as it was clear no one was going to win and I was burning ammo.

I think you were in either a conda or Vette though? Certainly not a DBX.

GG

??? My conda is a miner and my vette rarely leaves the port, but I guess it was possible, that I took it out for a spin.

 

[thelivingdeadguy]

You demand an apology....

Is the apology because you disagree that your accusation shouldn’t come from assumption or because my conclusion is based on the fact that you have to know how something works and that requires actual experience. Either you have done it or you’ve watched someone else do it.

If you feel offended, not sure why you chose offense but I’m not sure how you will choose to deal with that.

im not bothered by you only the mindset that you and others have. It’s not even about the game anymore.

Ok. I’m not happy with being called a cheater and I’ve reported the comment.

I suggest we leave it in the hands of the mods.

 

[hypervoodoo77]

This is your issue, and honestly the attitude that someone else is suppose to let you kill them is sad.
Reality....DeVs aren’t doing much and you all are frustrated cause you don’t want legitimate challenges you want to grief unsuspecting randoms. You can’t see you’re ruining it for you and others

Just earned some rep would have buried you in rep if it was possible

 

[Hessfire]

I’ll explain it slowly so that you understand.
Playing in open is do as you please, as long as it REMAINS within the rules of the game. I.e not logging.

Logging is cheating, this has been confirmed by fdev in neumerous messages to players.

Shooting whoever you please, isn’t cheating, also confirmed by fdev.

I have no problem people escaping from a situation but do it the correct way!!

1. Please do not insult my presumed age/intelligence/actions - You are only demeaning yourself and your position in the process.
2. Menu Exiting has been confirmed by the Fdev to be a LEGITIMATE mechanic and fully allowed.
3. (And I will use small words here so you can keep up) No Rules = No Cheating. You CANNOT have one without the other.
4. I have been around for longer than you think and I paid my dues to "Blaze my own trail" and "Play the game my way" I have just as much right to play as anyone - get over it!
5. As your commentary has already devolved to personal attacks I request that any further discussion take place through PM as to not run afoul of the Forum Rules.

 

[BLAZIN TAC0]

Either you have done it or you’ve watched someone else do it.

In the subject of combat logging, this just doesn't make sense. There are a few things that can happen that cause a player to suddenly drop out of the game. Game crashes, internet problems causing a disconnect, server issues etc. It's easy to get a clear picture of how the game handles players dropping out suddenly without ever doing it. Does that mean everyone who's ever experienced a game crash is cheating? No. But the game handles it just the same as it would if they closed the game manually.

 

[DeanooBosho]

Dont see any personal attacks fella...

You ok?

 

[NewBlacksmurf]

Ok. I’m not happy with being called a cheater and I’ve reported the comment.

I suggest we leave it in the hands of the mods.

man no one called you a cheater. I wrote about 5 times in this thread you and everyone shouldn’t call itncheating cause....to your point above.
Also the fact that it’s an opinion of circumstances and within the game design or system design available options.

 

[thelivingdeadguy]

man no one called you a cheater. I wrote about 5 times in this thread you and everyone shouldn’t call itncheating cause....to your point above.
Also the fact that it’s an opinion of circumstances and within the game design or system design available options.

Can we please just leave it as I suggested?

This has detracted enough from the topic already.

 

[CMDR MRMAURICE]

In the subject of combat logging, this just doesn't make sense. There are a few things that can happen that cause a player to suddenly drop out of the game. Game crashes, internet problems causing a disconnect, server issues etc. It's easy to get a clear picture of how the game handles players dropping out suddenly without ever doing it. Does that mean everyone who's ever experienced a game crash is cheating? No. But the game handles it just the same as it would if they closed the game manually.

I stated in a previous comment on this thread that people should be flagged if frequently logging during combat. As in more than 5 times maybe. This way is more fair, so if connection drops a few times, then fine. If it's a recurring theme then fdev can take action. Seems a legitimate way and fair imo. Because sometimes connections can boot you from the game or real life gets in the way.

 

[NewBlacksmurf]

In the subject of combat logging, this just doesn't make sense. There are a few things that can happen that cause a player to suddenly drop out of the game. Game crashes, internet problems causing a disconnect, server issues etc. It's easy to get a clear picture of how the game handles players dropping out suddenly without ever doing it. Does that mean everyone who's ever experienced a game crash is cheating? No. But the game handles it just the same as it would if they closed the game manually.

You actually are writing out the context of my comment above.
See above I’m not calling them a cheater but to be specific I am point blank saying that the i Lyn way to know if a shield resets in one way and doesn’t in another it would require experience to know which does and which doesn’t.

My position has had always been that i always use Save and Exit
I personally don’t understand why anyone would call someone else a cheater without a full understanding and also experience. But then...if it’s by design, why is anyone using that term in the first place?

 

[FH DIP]

I'm just loving how BlackSmurf is ignoring the link I gave, that connects to a post from Sandro himself made on these forums saying that task killing the game (which includes Xbox quit option) IS CHEATING

EDIT: and btw, Megatron didn't link the screens of the emails, I did

 

[BLAZIN TAC0]

I stated in a previous comment on this thread that people should be flagged if frequently logging during combat. As in more than 5 times maybe. This way is more fair, so if connection drops a few times, then fine. If it's a recurring theme then fdev can take action. Seems a legitimate way and fair imo. Because sometimes connections can boot you from the game or real life gets in the way.

That seems the best option, to me at least. I can get frequent disconnects at times thanks to living out in the sticks, and I'd hate to be punished because my internet went sour on me again.

 

[NewBlacksmurf]

I stated in a previous comment on this thread that people should be flagged if frequently logging during combat. As in more than 5 times maybe. This way is more fair, so if connection drops a few times, then fine. If it's a recurring theme then fdev can take action. Seems a legitimate way and fair imo. Because sometimes connections can boot you from the game or real life gets in the way.

Makes sense.
Ive also seen and played games that use a logo when some is having connection issues or greys them out, etc. Not sure that addresses any undesired behavior tho but an indicator seems desired

 

[FH DIP]

In the subject of combat logging, this just doesn't make sense. There are a few things that can happen that cause a player to suddenly drop out of the game. Game crashes, internet problems causing a disconnect, server issues etc. It's easy to get a clear picture of how the game handles players dropping out suddenly without ever doing it. Does that mean everyone who's ever experienced a game crash is cheating? No. But the game handles it just the same as it would if they closed the game manually.

Right, and most of people like myself and OP understand that. Hence why we ask if it was a disconnect or something else. Hell, it [disconnects] happens to us all the time, and when it does we make a clip or screenshot of the server disconnect message as proof of not logging

 

[veryDead]

There is no way to confirm that a disconnect is legit or not. If there was, it would be in place already.

I've been disconnected during combat when I was winning the battle, seconds from the kill. I've had complete lockups, BSODs, power outages and routers reboot while playing. I've had my ISP crap out while playing. My kids have clicked off the power strip, multiple times. All these examples are indistinguishable from someone deliberately unplugging their network to avoid being killed.

Making clips is also not proof of anything. A person could simply unplug their network cable while making the video clip and say "See, proof I didn't log. It was a legit network failure" which it was, because an unplugged network cable is definitely legit network failure. No matter that they unplugged it right as they were about to be vaporized.

One thing that can minimize logging would be a lower cost per death - restructure pvp as military action and you are supplied ships by your faction/superpower to continue fighting. Similar to how the air-force doesn't make their pilots purchase the F22 they are about to fly a mission in. I'm not sure how that could be fleshed out to fit Elite's universe, but even that will still not solve it completely, since "cheaters gonna cheat."