Hypothesis: most Combat Loggers are serial cheats who learned it in other games or against NPC's

Truesilver

Truesilver
I would like to challenge the notion that PvP combat logging is empirically likely to be a moral response to conditions in Open and/or a spontaneous response to unfair odds.

I particularly question the forum meme of a one-off innocent who after peacefully flying for 500 hours gets interdicted by gankers and who (helpfully, by mere coincidence) happens to find that he is flying with his network cable between his teeth, so in extremis and with great regret, manages swiftly to pull the plug in the moments he has to live.

I have spoken to a lot of players of this game - actually spoken, not typed.

Most players have never read this forum. They have never read reddit. They know the names of no other players. They know the names of no player groups.

They know next to nothing about how the C and P system works.

Furthermore, they don't know how to log. Nor why.

Most don't even know how to 'target hostile' during interdiction.

The reality is, random PK will happen to most players once or, far more likely, never.

And the resoundingly consistent account of those it has happened to is that they had no idea what was going on, the whole thing happened so quickly, then they were staring in incomprehension at a rebuy screen.

OPEN YOUR EYES, GUYS:

Most loggers are serial loggers. They learned their immortality cheat most likely ....... in another online game.

Or in this game ....... against NPC's.

Then they apply the cheat they've learned to ED PvP.

So, here's my hypothesis:

"Most ED loggers are serial cheats who learned to log in other online games or against ED NPC's."


If I'm right then a lot of people on this forum need to realise that you've deceived yourselves into defending serial cheats because you don't like gankers.

The gankers may not deserve your approval. But the serial cheats don't either. They probably laugh at your unexpected but entirely welcome smokescreen.

I don't know, though.

What do you think?
 

CMDR Zadian Lichtfrost

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Truesilver said:
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The reality is, random PK will happen to most players once or, far more likely, never.
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This is OT, but I think random PK might be happening more often than once or never for players in Open Mode. Might depend on your definition of random.


Truesilver said:
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So, here's my hypothesis:

"Most ED loggers are serial cheats who learned to log in other online games or against ED NPC's."
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I think that sounds very plausible.
 

Leo Sagan

Leo Sagan
Who logs ?

1) players who want to avoid 10 v 1 ganks
2) wannabe PVPers who don't have what it takes to face the music
3) gankers facing a target deploying hard points
4) SDC

The only category getting my sympathy is number 1 : we need a working C&P system to fix that.
The others ? I honestly don't give a damn about them.
 
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verminstar

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verminstar
I think this whole combat logging issue is a case of making mountains out of mole hills...apart from denying a kill, I honestly dont see the problem, ergo its a pvp only issue. And I use ther term pvp fer sake of tact. Game has bigger issues than attempting to fix the unfixable.
 

NeilF

NeilF
verminstar said:
I think this whole combat logging issue is a case of making mountains out of mole hills...apart from denying a kill, I honestly dont see the problem, ergo its a pvp only issue. And I use ther term pvp fer sake of tact. Game has bigger issues than attempting to fix the unfixable.
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I concur... While OPEN permits such toxic gameplay I couldn't careless about loggers. In short I see mindless gankers as more of an issue than loggers.

We're talking about individuals who's only reward for interdicting other CMDRs isn't CRs, reputation, cargo, or indeed any indeed game metric or score. They only do it because they realise they are aggravating/upsetting/annoying another player. How is permitting this (as it currently stands) of any benefit to anyone, other than this toxic minority?
 
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MajorHavoc

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I normally play games where you press F5 then if you mess up F9 ! In ED I play in Solo only and no I would never quit on the npc's as that would be shameful imo, I have billions of credits anyway so no worries !

If I could save my game at any time though would I be tempted ?
 

CMDR Tom D

CMDR Tom D
Now people are just going too far with this.

It is simply "alt+F4". Some people don't like to lose, some don't care. thats as simple as it gets.

and OP, on your point about those that defend them. You realise the entire aggression against "anti-loggers" is because of the manner in which its been approached? The majority don't want "C-logging", but a biased investigation that benefits only a small group of serial killers is not going to sway their opinion to your side.

No ones that stupid.

Except for those still peddling this Horse tripe
 

CMDR Tom D

CMDR Tom D
Leo Sagan said:
Who logs ?

1) players who want to avoid 10 v 1 ganks
2) wannabe PVPers who don't have what it takes to face the music
3) gankers facing a target deploying hard points
4) SDC

Only category one has my sympathy : we need a working C&P system. The others ? I honestly don't give a damn about them.
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here I was thinking common sense had abandoned this forum long ago.
 

verminstar

Banned
verminstar
NeilF said:
I concur... While OPEN permits such toxic gameplay I couldn't careless about loggers. In short I see mindless gankers as more of an issue than loggers.

We're talking about individuals who's only reward for interdicting other CMDRs isn't CRs, reputation, cargo, or indeed any indeed game metric or score. They only do it because they realise they are aggravating/upsetting/annoying another player. How is permitting this (as it currently stands) of any benefit to anyone, other than this toxic minority?
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I am trying to stay unbiased because I reason to myself that I personally choose not to...that is my choice and the best bit is, I really dont have to justify my reasons. On the other hand, I wont judge anyone else who does do it...their choice doesnt affect me in any shape or form. Although I will admit that having the ability to mine the salt from a salt miner by combat logging is damned tempting...good thing fer me I play in solo so we will never find out :p
 

Lestradae

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NeilF said:
I concur... While OPEN permits such toxic gameplay I couldn't careless about loggers. In short I see mindless gankers as more of an issue than loggers.

We're talking about individuals who's only reward for interdicting other CMDRs isn't CRs, reputation, cargo, or indeed any indeed game metric or score. They only do it because they realise they are aggravating/upsetting/annoying another player. How is permitting this (as it currently stands) of any benefit to anyone, other than this toxic minority?
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That exactly.

Do listen, FD, or you are handing your game to a handful of idiots, while the rest will eventually leave for something better thought through.
 

OVMorat

OVMorat
The only fitting punishment for combat logging is to be banned from Open play. If you are so annoyed by being killed by other players, go to solo or Mobius.
 
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veryinky

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The fact that explore CG destinations are regularly patrolled by people who describe themselves as "just PVP enthusiasts looking for a good fight" goes a long way towards explaining why people combat log. That is also the example I usually give when people ask me about Elite Dangerous, even DayZ has a better crime and punishment system and more logical PVP.

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OVMorat said:
The only fitting punishment for combat logging is to be banned from Open play. If you are so annoyed by being killed by other players, go to solo or Mobius.
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How about making it impossible for the two to ever instance together again? That would really show the combat logger what for, AND the griefer will be content in the knowledge that he permanently killed an other player so it's win-win
 

Cosmos

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Truesilver said:
I would like to challenge the notion that PvP combat logging is empirically likely to be a moral response to conditions in Open and/or a spontaneous response to unfair odds.

I particularly question the forum meme of a one-off innocent who after peacefully flying for 500 hours gets interdicted by gankers and who (helpfully, by mere coincidence) happens to find that he is flying with his network cable between his teeth, so in extremis and with great regret, manages swiftly to pull the plug in the moments he has to live.

I have spoken to a lot of players of this game - actually spoken, not typed.

Most players have never read this forum. They have never read reddit. They know the names of no other players. They know the names of no player groups.

They know next to nothing about how the C and P system works.

Furthermore, they don't know how to log. Nor why.

Most don't even know how to 'target hostile' during interdiction.

The reality is, random PK will happen to most players once or, far more likely, never.

And the resoundingly consistent account of those it has happened to is that they had no idea what was going on, the whole thing happened so quickly, then they were staring in incomprehension at a rebuy screen.

OPEN YOUR EYES, GUYS:

Most loggers are serial loggers. They learned their immortality cheat most likely ....... in another online game.

Or in this game ....... against NPC's.

Then they apply the cheat they've learned to ED PvP.

So, here's my hypothesis:

"Most ED loggers are serial cheats who learned to log in other online games or against ED NPC's."


If I'm right then a lot of people on this forum need to realise that you've deceived yourselves into defending serial cheats because you don't like gankers.

The gankers may not deserve your approval. But the serial cheats don't either. They probably laugh at your unexpected but entirely welcome smokescreen.

I don't know, though.

What do you think?
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I think you are bang on the money. You only have to look at how prolific cheating in online games is to realise, its appauling people round here are justifying these actions because they find the game unfair or for whatever other reason.

Most game developers take cheating very seriously because they fully understand the negative effect it can have on the reputation and integrity of the game and not least of all how it impacts on the play experience of other players. I've been here from the beginning and I've long been baffled with Frontiers seemingly lax response to all forms of exploiting and cheating.

There was that bounty exploit a while back and I know of tons of people who abused it and retained all the credits frmo doing so. Frontier has failed to act and its only encouraged the problem, so much so you have people openly bragging about combat logging and encouraging others to do so. Sorry but there is no excuse for cheating, period.

Fact is certain people of low moral fibre will cheat, may well be a small % of all gamers but it still amounts to a lot.. To this day I can't play Counter Strike anymore because of it. I've also seen people combat log in other games, ultimately human nature being what it is, if they can gain an advantage by doing so they will. It was prolific in DayZ for a while until they made it impossible to do, and thats a game which is entirely designed around player adversity.

In my view its not a coincidence that the people who moan the most about how other peope play the game also seem to be justifying cheating. I happen to think this is the tip of the iceberg, I've even seen frequent replies over this which ask why does it matter if other people cheat, how it affects my game..

Its Frontiers mess, and they need to sort it out. Otherwise their rep and that of the game will be tarnished. The swamp needs draining. I mean what does all this say to people who play fairly and don't cheat? I'm really disappointed and frustrated with Frontier.

Sad times.
 
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