I don't get paid enough for this job.

[sarcasm83]

Whine whine whine. Play the game or don't. We have seen enough whining threads going over the same issues to not be expected to respond in a kindly manner on every single one. The issues are known.

The "peanut" gallery can respond as they wish.

To be honest, the original post makes the person who wrote it seem to care about this game's future than your posts do. He's making points and giving feedback. You're only attacking his posts and have that "Play the game or don't."-attitude that makes it seem like it is what it is and can not or shouldn't be polished to be better.

I mean.. you do realize that you only had a motive to COMPLAIN and yet critisize how he's supposedly "whining"? He made good points. Elements in the game, that if given feedback enough on can be made better.

Sure, if someone writes an aggressive oneliner about hating the game; Respond how you've responded now, but I don't think a well worded critisism should be met with ... well... that.

 

[Hitsuke]

What would sound people do other than work on sound or sound issues?!

That's all well and good, but it's no good having a game that sounds breathtaking, yet lacks REAL content. I get that ED is supposed to be about a player created experience, but WTH is the point of having it as an MMO if it's nigh on impossible to actually play with your friends 90% of the time?

Wings needs to be here now, and they should be pulling out all the stops to get it to us (Along with a decent social/chat system) ASAP. Yet every time I see something about Wings, it's about how the new release date for it is even further away than it was the last time I checked.

 

[sarcasm83]

Except this style of post does not intend to discuss an opinion or share reasonable thought .

Re-read the OP. He simply makes a statement that signs of with "I'm going to play other games" so I take it he is not after response, feedback, discussion etc etc because he is off to play other games having finally left ED behind

Only, it's unlikely he has actually left because this is just another rage quit post, the ones full of self important rage which the OP believes which shake the foundations of FD to the ground just. To. Get. Him. Back

like another poster above said, the reality is, no one cares about these overly emotive drama-filled rants

Maybe read past the lines that made him write the dramatic lines, because at the time of writing, he was upset?

He did word his points and what made him upset - as a feedback.

The reader is then left with two choices; Either look at what made a player upset and try to understand it and discuss it OR reply to only the not-so-constructive side of the post, where he exaggerated his negativity due to the momentary disappointment.

Sad to see so many people can not look past that and decide it's good to "return fire" with equally worthless discussion, basically flaming him out of here and making all points that might've been in the post ignored or "supposedly mute" because of the few negative lines...

"No one cares"... well.. Frankly, I think someone should be able to. Especially as it's becoming very clear from several replies that threads like this happen ALOT. It just might mean something and could do with some reading into.

But hey, that's just my 2 cents.

 

[Agony_Aunt]

Mods have reminded us to discuss the post, not the poster. Boring, but here goes.

There are so many issues with this "game".

Agreed! Lots of issues. Good job FD are cranking out fixes regularly. Of course, some would argue those issues shouldn't have existed in the first place. I tend to find those are made by people who have never worked in software development, but that's just my opinion.

I feel like FD has learnt nothing about game design since the original Elite.

Then i suggest you look at their wider portfolio, not just ED.

Ship upgrades, so bland and boring. One A5 is the same as every other A5, not to mention the infuriating code system of upgrades that makes no sense.

Two identical components are identical is a problem for you? I agree for new players the code system can be tricky to get your heard around. More in-game information about upgrades would be good.

No trade assistance software computers 1000 years in the future? really? seriously?

That is nothing to do with reality. Thats a game design decision. Thin edge of the wedge and all that. They want people to figure out their own trade routes by investigating things.

No alien races, seriously?

They are coming, its known they are coming. You know they are coming. Its just a question of when.

Can't land on planets like I could in Elite 2 or 3.

Correct, its known this is a planned expansion. If they had wanted planetary landing in the release, then firstly the game would not have been released yet (so we wouldn't have had a chance to enjoy playing it so far) and they may never have got to release, because the budget for the game would have required to be much bigger. I think they made the right choice.

Can't even chat to my friends?

Well, you can, but its tricky due to a known issue. Hopefully this will be fixed with 1.2 at the latest. If not, its going to be quite frustrating.

Newsflash, 1997 called.

Did they? How is the weather there?

It's very pretty, you've got that part nailed.

Ah, indeed.

I love the interactivity of docking, could be more interactive but I wont complain.

Me too. Still not bored of it, even after doing it thousands of times. Maybe i'm just strange.

But, there is basically nothing remotely fun to do,

I humbly disagree. I love dogfighting and exploring.

trading is boring and slow (really, my job is far more exciting and they even pay me),

Oh agreed! I hate trading.

mining is even worse.

Mining itself is boring. Pretending to be a miner and letting pirates come to you though is fun.

Trade prices barely change, and only within a set amount.

Considering recent forum reports, i think this one might be out of date. Looks like more changes coming as well.

You have to trade/mine the same items or its not even remotely worth it.

Yeah, trading is boring.... but it is highly profitable.

Circle combat is boring.

You mean dogfights? Love them. Great fun. Going up against a powerful ship/pilot is a real challenge

I can't even see my ship (how boring!).

Well, not strictly true because of the outfitting screeen, but i know what you mean. Some sort of fluff about how third person can give you a combat advantage. I've never understood this despite people trying to explain it to me. Still, FD have said they are looking at ways to provide outside views for beauty shots.

Space is dangerous.

Yes!

This game is meant to be hard. Hard means challenging and challenging means there are task that require skill and effort. For some, that's enough to make it fun, for most others tangible and exciting reward for successfully performing a difficult task makes the challenge worth it.

Yes, they are working on balance and tweaks to make things more challenging in some areas, less in others. Balancing a game is a never ending task. As i recall, Diablo 2 was still getting balancing patches 10 years after it was launched.

This game is not challenging, it is punishing. Being obliterated by station security because you forgot to perform one part of a routine part of gameplay that is not considered part of the challenge is punishment.

Well, my first post in the thread asked you about this, but didn't see a response. What did you forget to you? But you complain about no challenge, but you want to make the game easier? I mean, if you can't handle routine tasks, how are you going to handle real challenges?

Punishment is not fun.

There is a certain Ms. Whiplash who would disagree with that statement.

Let me repeat that. PUNISHMENT. IS. NOT. FUN. OR. GAMEPLAY.

Yes, you did say. But your caps lock key appears stuck now.

So yeah, I backed it, I "played" it, and frankly, don't pay me to do this job, so I am off to play games instead.

Well, a shame. But it feels as though you have made up your mind. So enjoy your other games. Hope they bring you many hours of enjoyment, just like ED is giving me.

Cheers.

 

[Britannkic]

There are so many issues with this "game". I feel like FD has learnt nothing about game design since the original Elite.

Clearly FD have learnt, having developed Elite sequels and now ED which a great deal of people seem to be enjoying to various degrees even up to fanboi enjoyment levels

Ship upgrades, so bland and boring.

Disagree, plenty of upgrades to configure the same ship in many different ways with different strengths, focuses etc including plenty of weapon configurations

One A5 is the same as every other A5, not to mention the infuriating code system of upgrades that makes no sense.

Ummmm I would expect one A5 to be the same as another A5 given they ARE the same
The code system is quite clear, numbers represent the slot size, letters the quality of the component, A being a better quality component than a G

No trade assistance software computers 1000 years in the future? really? seriously?

What makes you think there aren't trade computers in stations? Just because players cannot install one in their ships?
i don't have a trade computer in my car? In fact trade info would be jealously guarded and sold for a price, which in fact it is in the game.

No alien races, seriously?

uhh you forgot the Thar..............

Can't land on planets like I could in Elite 2 or 3.

its coming

Can't even chat to my friends? Newsflash, 1997 called.

its coming

It's very pretty, you've got that part nailed. I love the interactivity of docking, could be more interactive but I wont complain. But, there is basically nothing remotely fun to do

Disagree, go to a conflict zone, go pirate some players . What do YOU find fun?

trading is boring and slow (really, my job is far more exciting and they even pay me), mining is even worse.

Trading is great fun, you just need to like flying a freighter in freighter-style and to like the risk of pirates etc etc I have a Rares route which I do in a T6 which is not a simple 1 jump and repeat route. Don't do things in a boring way instead of just blaming the thing for being boring

Trade prices barely change, and only within a set amount. You have to trade/mine the same items or its not even remotely worth it.

Large supply / demand markets shouldn't chnage based on your couple of hundred tons trade. By large I mean the 00,000s and 000,000s of tons. Conversely small markets DO chnage dramatically if you over supply or over purchase. Try this with a supply in the 00s and sell to a demand in the 00s. Prices change after a single transaction.
if you wanna make big cr thenobviously focusing on the most profitable makes sense. That's not a game thing that's life!!

Circle combat is boring. I can't even see my ship (how boring!).

Learn how to fly your ship using thrusters and FAoff. Only novice pilots 'circle combat'

Space is dangerous. This game is meant to be hard. Hard means challenging and challenging means there are task that require skill and effort. For some, that's enough to make it fun, for most others tangible and exciting reward for successfully performing a difficult task makes the challenge worth it. This game is not challenging, it is punishing. Being obliterated by station security because you forgot to perform one part of a routine part of gameplay that is not considered part of the challenge is punishment

Yes space is dangerous and yes ED is hard, but your complaints seem to arise from a lack of understanding of how elements of the game work, how best to configure ships, understanding the uses and pros/cons of ship modules to get best results and enjoyment. You want a hard game but you complain trade is too hard without trade assistance. Contradiction there.
If you can't find anything fun to do then that could be because YOU can't find anything NOT because there is nothing. My trading is anything but boring. The way the game environment naturally evolves means the populate Rares hubs are awash with player pirates. This player evolution will continue. There are plenty of player groups making a stand and adding their own perspective, take the Goon activities for example.
most importantly, learn to fly and fight in your ship effectively. Elite doesn't require you to get the biggest ship to be combat effective. A Viper is damn cheap to kit out and insure. It just needs a competent pilot.
your last paragraph is most enlightening, you appear to need a story to work through, a narrower corridor of plot progression than FD ever promised for ED, with clear goals, levels and progression.

what makes Elite truly Dangerous is that you can run the pirate gauntlet, not fry in the neutron star, avoid face-planting the station entrance whilst being chased by maniac players then forget to ask docking permission........ Oh dear that's dangerous, no hand holding here buddy

There will always be some Commanders who. Just. Can't. Handle. Elite

 

[Phier]

It's mostly because a large amount of players are dissatisfied with the game in it's current state vs the promises of David & co...

Saying the game has issues and saying the OP has valid issues are two different things.

He wants a 3rd person camera for combat, and to hell with that.
He wants trade prices not fixed... which now has a thread about how bad that is, but that was fixed before he posted this (same day).
He doesn't like losing stuff.

Its equally valid to say "I don't care what you think OP you are just wrong".

 

[Hanni79]

No trade assistance software computers 1000 years in the future? really? seriously?

That is nothing to do with reality. That's a game design decision. Thin edge of the wedge and all that. They want people to figure out their own trade routes by investigating things.

That might be a decision, but that doesn't change the fact it's one of the worst decisions ever made for any game.
That has exactly nothing to do with "figuring out own trade routes", if a game in 2014 made you use pen and paper.
The very least I would have expected is the ability to save the commodity lists of the last dozen or so stations I visited and I guess every one else who dislikes the trading interface as well.
A good decision would have been to implement this, as well as a possibility to compare them.

As long as this is only possible via third party tools, I will not touch this game again. This has to be a game feature.

 

[Phier]

That might be a decision, but that doesn't change the fact it's one of the worst decisions ever made for any game.
That has exactly nothing to do with "figuring out own trade routes", if a game in 2014 made you use pen and paper.
The very least I would have expected is the ability to save the commodity lists of the last dozen or so stations I visited and I guess every one else who dislikes the trading interface as well.
A good decision would have been to implement this, as well as a possibility to compare them.

As long as this is only possible via third party tools, I will not touch this game again. This has to be a game feature.

A realistic version of this, would be were are all space truckers paid by a corporation by the load with just enough to take care of our families as pay. I'd like an ingame note pad, especially since I use the oculus and its a real annoyance to have to take it off to write stuff down, but I'm not going to worry that much about it.

 

[Retorrent]

Do people do this with other games? Contact the company and say 'I find your game boring, I'm off to play elsewhere'. Don't let the door hit your ass on the way out.

Yes, yes they do, think of pretty much and new popular game and there is always going to be a group of moaners and criers. And their conversations always end in "I'm going to go play game "such and such" as if the devs are just going to jump in the thread and post "NO! WAIT Don't GO WE NEEEEED YOOOOOOOU!" I tend to call these people Drama Queen forum posters.

 

[brakaton]

If I could get a refund for this game I would 100% jump at the chance.

 

[kelticfury]

You can. Its the law. You just have to prove that it is not fit for purpose I believe.

 

[Hanni79]

A realistic version of this, would be were are all space truckers paid by a corporation by the load with just enough to take care of our families as pay.

This is basically what I view NPCs are. The rest (Players) are privileged freelancers.

I'd like an ingame note pad, especially since I use the oculus and its a real annoyance to have to take it off to write stuff down, but I'm not going to worry that much about it.

This would make me ragequit. Having no possibility to save the commodity lists was fine for me while Beta testing this game, but this is not okay for a finished product.

 

[Phier]

This would make me ragequit. Having no possibility to save the commodity lists was fine for me while Beta testing this game, but this is not okay for a finished product.

Meh, I'm saving my rage quit for 1.2 if they don't give some content beyond crowdsourced missions.

 

[Muthax]

A realistic version of this, would be were are all space truckers paid by a corporation by the load with just enough to take care of our families as pay. I'd like an ingame note pad, especially since I use the oculus and its a real annoyance to have to take it off to write stuff down, but I'm not going to worry that much about it.

Not polemic, just curious as I am planning to get an OR, but how would you write with the OR on? Can you use the keyboard OK enough with the Rift on?

 

[Oheck]

It's funny really, how easily much of this could have been avoided if they simply released it as an early gamma access. You know exactly what you are getting into if you spend money at that point. Access to a work in progress till the final build which is more feature complete.

I can't fault those frustrated at this point. Atleast those that are using sound reason and able to be objective.

 

[Vasea Azure]

Yes, what we need is little bit of variety/content. I`m starting to feel I saw every npc move, every combination of planets, every funeral barge for the 100 times.
Slowly but steady running out of things to imagine. But still playing and hoping for the better.

 

[kelticfury]

It's funny really, how easily much of this could have been avoided if they simply released it as an early gamma access. You know exactly what you are getting into if you spend money at that point. Access to a work in progress till the final build which is more feature complete.

I can't fault those frustrated at this point. Atleast those that are using sound reason and able to be objective.

Did you play WoW when it was first released? Or any other MMO for that matter?

 

[Phier]

Not polemic, just curious as I am planning to get an OR, but how would you write with the OR on? Can you use the keyboard OK enough with the Rift on?

I can use a keyboard pretty well as I touch type BUT I also have a voice attack profile for input using this..



I use it for the galaxy map at times. I have my galaxy map completely voice controlled.

 

[jp josh]

things are still being added.

planet landings are coming.

maybe look at the soon to come section?

this company cares about the game (and its history) far more than some of the other company's out there. couph couph (pgi/ganji)

 

[bamber]

Oh look, yet another thread with a dissatisfied customer speaking his honest opinion on the state of the game, his salient points met with a wave of fingers-in-ears NUH UH from the peanut gallery. Another day, another dollar.

I'd lay good money on it not being "another dissatisfied customer" but the same person as at least 10 other posts creating yet another account to raise pointless posts (and loving the attention gained)