You keep posting ideas that demonstrate you don't really understand what this game is about. Whatever happens in Solo affects other players in Solo, because it has an influence on the BGS. Similarly, Solo affects Open and Open affects Solo. They are not independent as you assume.
I don't get the hate for bots, what's really wrong with that?
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Players who aren't breaking the rules Frontier has laid out for their game.
Then there is the issue of numbers. A very small number of automated 'bots' is not going to change anything. But you know, as I know, it doesn't stop there and more and more bots are piled into the game until it becomes a game of bots v bots. So how many do you accept? The answer is none.
I am flatly calling botters cheaters because botting is explicitly against the rules of the game and the terms everyone had to agree to in order to register.
Does that make the SLF NPC's legal bots? 
I like to play the game. I don't want to hack the game and I don't want to write scripts or macros. If I "lose" the game because I only "play" it and others "hack" it, then it should be obvious why I am against botting.
On the ohter hand I don't mind official changes like the announced supercruise aid. It's a quality of life feature and a help for newbies and it's accesible for everyone. No problem there. I hope Frontier will take the necessarie steps if hackers, cheaters and botters abuse this though.
On the ohter hand I don't mind official changes like the announced supercruise aid. It's a quality of life feature and a help for newbies and it's accesible for everyone. No problem there. I hope Frontier will take the necessarie steps if hackers, cheaters and botters abuse this though.
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Is reading my comments that hard?
But tell me then, what is this game about? Last time I checked it was about flying around in a spaceship and "blazing your own trail" being a little privateer in a big galaxy.
Absolutely nothing you can do in the game can change that experience for me, the only tiny thing you can actually change is a little amount of goods available somewhere or maybe what faction state some system is in.
Which, again, does absolutely nothing to my gameplay experience. I can still fly wherever I want and if something is not available in a system, well then I just jump to the next one. The whole powerplay is just background fluff.
So why do you even care about people getting rich fast by using bots? Or are you just salty that someone isn't going through the grind the same way you are?
Fair enough, although the automation of exchanging trading cards could only very loosely be described as playing a game, in my opinion.
It's a case of numbers. No single person or bot will do much to change balances. But many will. Like a thousand ants each making a small immeasurable contribution to the whole. As numbers of bots increase, which they will (unless prevented), so too will the influence on the game as a whole.
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Some players play competitive and identify with theire chosen Faction or Power in BGS and/or Powerplay. This is when cheating/hacking/botting makes a difference.
Yes, that also.
We would have to argue though, were does a game "end"? Is it when I leave (alt-tab) the game, or does the game continue outside of the software - including forums, external tools, newsletters, etc.?
If you argue for the letter, then one would have to argue that using automated tools is just an extension of a game - like modding is.
By botting I'm referring to any significant automation of the game not actually provided by the game itself.
That would depend on the experience one desires. I want to play an Elite: Dangerous where there is very little abstraction between my inputs and what my CMDR is doing in the cockpit. I do not want to play bot/script manager.
Bots are cheating. Bots are just a way for people to level the playing field between themselfs and those who are more skilled/have more time/whatever. If you are using a bot you are crapping all over the next guy that doesnt, no matter if you are watching the thing work. Anybody claiming bots arnt cheating is either thick or invested in using them. Fdev will never do anything about it so if you dont like being cheated the best thing you can do is stop playing. Its the only message Fdev will ever hear and even then only if you have numbers.
Edit: lol @ auto undock! lol.
Edit: lol @ auto undock! lol.
Are you sure about that assumption? I, as a single person, can employ 8 bots that will work 24/7, 365 days a year. How much time you as a person can devote to a single goal in this game?
Forums, external tools, newsletters involve the exchange of information among players, ie people. External tools (and some have argued that they should have been banned also, but FD was slow to provide suitable in-game tools) at least provide for a sense of human judgment, a balance of opinion to choose this or that and to apply that judgment to the game. Automatic scripted bots cannot do that. By their very definition and action, they are automatic and do not contribute to the game except to achieve a person or group's objective.
It's the same argument in real life. Should automatons be allowed to take over our jobs? A very similar set of arguments can be introduced for and against. But in the end, the benefit to the human being, or the player in a game, has to be paramount.
It's the same argument in real life. Should automatons be allowed to take over our jobs? A very similar set of arguments can be introduced for and against. But in the end, the benefit to the human being, or the player in a game, has to be paramount.
Which is my point, exactly. The bots have the potential to multiply to large numbers per operator.
I play in a faction who actively engages in BGS and Powerplay, and I sometimes help them with that. And obviously it would kinda suck if all our effort is undone by a few bots, but I can't really fault other players for using them.
I see the fault solely by FDev, for creating a system that encourages botting and not doing enough to make it more rewarding to actually play the game yourself by hand.
Whenever you have a system that is purely about numbers, and not skill, then you gonna have people using every tool available to maximise "their" numbers. That's just human nature.
I really can't be angry about that. The way I see it, I just roleplay it as playing against an AI race, like the borg, and enjoy the challenge (or hunt them when I see one). Because in the end of the day, the numbers are just numbers and nothing more.
Imaging playing tennis against a robot that never gets tired and hits the ball back perfectly every time. How much fun would that be?