I dont get why everyone thinks Ellite is such a grind

[Maro-Val]

I just started a new account on PC as I have been an Xbox Elite Player for years now to the tune of about 6800 hours played(On XBox alone). I felt like the grind was going to be so hard because I hear so many people complain about it so often that I started to believe it was true. Then I look at my Inara journal updates(https://inara.cz/cmdr/109447/) and realize its not at all that hard and I feel more and more people just want stuff that they are unable or unwilling to work for. This is still less then 8 days played and Im 2 Imperial ranks away from the Cutter. From a Sidey to a A class Python in less then 8 days in game playing time.

https://screenshots.firefox.com/PeertbT0buRTMg6K/inara.cz

I guess I just want people to know it isnt hard. In fact, with the right information, its super easy.

6800 hours, seriously now mate? And you are trying to make a point? No wonder they made this game even more grind. I bet you unlocked all the guardian tech in one day and then you asked for moar right?

No game can be a grind for you.

 

[Factabulous]

Do you not find flying around systems looking for HGEs that contain the material your after a little, just a little uninteresting?

Funnily enough I was looking for Nhss today (science!) Didn't find any of those (science!), but found quite a few hge. In fact I had to visit a mat trader as I'd maxed my g5 storage, so I had to cross trade to milcaps, which was nice

 

[GG7]

I've got about 70% of the hours invested that the OP has, and I have never really felt ED to be a grind until the latest Ram Tah mission. [weird]

In my opinion, a lot of the "GRIND" complaints towards pretty easy sections of the game arc, are from players who should probably be looking for another game to play. Something they like better, more in line with what they think a game should play like etc.

 

[DR Grandreefer]

I didn’t add the best part. https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/425736563121586178/432745548588777472/image.jpg
I play both at the same time. This is not to brag but still to show that you can make easy money in Elite all day, everyday. You just need to know how.

As a reference here is a link to my Xbox account. You can see in both accounts that the logs show it’s pretty easy to make money. https://inara.cz/cmdr/20854/

 

[DR Grandreefer]

6800 hours, seriously now mate? And you are trying to make a point? No wonder they made this game even more grind. I bet you unlocked all the guardian tech in one day and then you asked for moar right?

No game can be a grind for you.

If you took the time to see all that I have done on my Xbox account you wouldn’t be saying that. Besides. I’m not sure how tons of playing time relates to a game being a grind. I had over 4000 hours in Mario cart. Guess that’s a grind too then.

edit. I am sorry but I own 42 ships and most of them are completely engineered. The 7 Cutters, 2 Vettes and theblist goes on. Nobody is going to make me believe there is a grind here. Just people who want stuff for nothing.

 

[Maka Gucci]

Come on man, you've navy ranked (which is much quicker post 3.0) and made a little bit of money.

Shows us the logs/photos of you having unlocked all the guardian modules (or even half of em), and let us know if it felt like a grind.
Unlock all the engineers, and g5 a build (even just a speed Courier, which has nothing to it), and let us know if felt like a grind.

 

[Maro-Val]

I am sorry but I own 42 ships and most of them are completely engineered. The 7 Cutters, 2 Vettes and theblist goes on.

Lol. If you are trying to make a point.. you shouldnt try so much. Seriously? Engineered about 40 ships? 7 cutters? Ofc you dont see a grind mate. There is no grind for you. You have passed to another dimension.

 

[Darty]

$250 million in 7 days playing time with ranks starting at 0 in all ranks. I’m showing you the proof with my logs on my inara. Everything is clear for you I see if you want to look. I feel I could do his in any system hybhe ways. The money will on double and triple as I go up in ranks so I see no issue with money. You gotta put time into get money back, CMDR.

I'm assuming you mean 7 days of time spent in game, at which point 250M isn't impressive. Its just above 1M an hour. At that rate it will take you a month in game to afford a maxed out combat cutter, which even if you played every single day for 12 hours would still take you 2 months to achieve.

I'm not saying it is impossible to get credits, but your personal example is a pretty weak one considering that at the rate you were going it would take you half a year of playing the game for 4 hours every day to get to the cutter. That's a pretty big grind.

 

[CMDR EDGEL0RD]

I didn’t add the best part. https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/425736563121586178/432745548588777472/image.jpg
I play both at the same time. This is not to brag but still to show that you can make easy money in Elite all day, everyday. You just need to know how.

Sigh...

Please share with me some smart way to get PP stuff without waiting 4 weeks.
Or a fast way to unlock those guardian modules. Relog for a bit?
Or a fast way to bring some dude fifty craken tons of tea for his personal consumption. To have friends which you would invite to this game?
Or a fast way to get Elite to have access to modded SCBs.

And find me any activity of those which takes more brain power than a single cell organism has.

And they are done too lazily. Everything except basic functionality is simply filled with time barriers instead of any sort of depth to it.

Let's look at my recent grind, which is Wing assasinations. I needed about a bil more for upcoming for me in a week Prismatics and for ships to store them.

They are my current money maker. Not all too fast (about 25 mil/hour avg) but not too boring at least.
Get inside a Vette, take 17-20 of them, go into target system, find a signal/ship, get in/interdict, burst down the fattest ship you see, get out.
At least you have to manage your time and resources, some brain activity in this game for a change. If you take 20 of those missions you will have about 7 spare minutes in next 2 hours, so one pit-stop only.

And those are bugged as hell atm.[blah]
1. They are not flying Condas only. Quite cracken contrary. They respawn each time you see them, and they retain their name only. Rest parameters are rerolled. For example, when you see mission target first time, he/she can fly in a Conda without escort, being wanted. Next time, in like 2 minutes after you kill another target, he is flying in a Cutter with an escort of 6, and clean. Next time they are solo in a clean Vette.
2. And that clean status is bugged, because when you interdict them and get your fine for that, and then wait for them to attack you for them to become wanted, you will get like 300k bounty voucher on kill. This is not an assault bounty.
3. They and their escorts do not count towards any Massacre missions for some reason.
4. Those "enemies" which "had been sent after you"... Just what? Who sent them? How they know that I'm gone after their boss each fracking time? And why they say that they are about to punish you for some failed contract when I hadn't communicated with their faction at all?
And worst of all, they can interdict you same moment you complete interdiction minigame on another target, and you will drop into instance with one of those a-holes instead of a mission target you had just interdicted.
5. Oh, and yes, when you interdict your target (not get into USS), usually only one or two of escorts will attack you. Rest will just go AFK.

I think you don't have to have any knowledge about programming to understand that those were coded in about fifteen minutes and never looked back upon.

And thing is, development depth is same across the board.

How much time were taken to made such decision about grandfathered additional effects? And how much time they thought about adding them in the first place??

And it is even not economically efficient to do it any other way. This game has no subscription.
All cosmetics and core game along with season passes are not refundable. I mean, everyone who would get to those features would be way beyond refund treshold. And any sort of polish takes triple the time than the development of core functionality by Murphy laws alone. But pushing out naked concepts enables to say that "It's in the game" to sell more season passes. Polishing features which are already present does not do so.

 

[jasonbarron]

4000 hours in Mario Kart?

 

[Lightspeed]

I think you don't have to have any knowledge about programming to understand that those were coded in about fifteen minutes and never looked back upon.

Choking on popcorn here ...... 15 minutes? really?

 

[Hexcaliber]

I agree, it is not a grind unless you set out to make it one. There seems to be a mentality prevalent among a vocal minority, driven by an inflated sense of entitlement that everything has to be on hand the instant they want access.

Add new items that are the best in game, and god forbid it should take more than a couple of hours to unlock everything, or spend more than an hour making credits and gaining ranks to access or replace the biggest player ships in game. It is no coincidence many with these complaints are the same folks that spend their entire time in solo, grinding the same handful of missions, or sitting in res sites until their eyes bleed.

Elite was designed from the ground up as a multiplayer sandbox, and sandbox games are designed to generate experiences through emergence, players are given tools that allow them to explore the game world, interact with each other, and the environment. There are no skill trees marking player progress in Elite, progression is measured by increasing ranks in various fields and the acquisition of better ships and equipment. It is supposed to take time, and losses should sting.

For a long time I defended the right of players to hop between the three modes, solo, group, and open; but now I think that was a mistake. It was also a mistake to allow players to affect the BGS from solo or group. Too many restrict themselves to solo, treating the entire game like a single player experience; and for these players the emergent gaming, the social interactions are largely absent. They reduce the game to an exercise in instant gratification and complain when they don't get their way.

 

[Arkadi]

I don't think the question is if it is a grind or not, but if the grind is worth it?

The grind also seems very optional, like most things in this game.

If you want to grind for engineers or guardian weapons or rank locked ships, well, you can grind away.

If you don't want to grind you can fly your stock ships and have some fun ... or not.

Is it fun?

It depends. Very much. On you.

I had my fun. Now I don't see many new things after three years of good game. I think it's fine. Maybe I'll come back to the game after 6 or 12 months to see if there is anything new and compelling for me.

Grind? Yes. Necessary? No (except for competitive pvp if you are into this without an acutal multiplayer server backing this up)

 

[DR Grandreefer]

4000 hours in Mario Kart?

I was using it to prove a point. Just because somebody spent a lot of time in a game doesnt make it a grind. That goes for everyone else looking at my achievements in ELite dangerous as a grind. They are two very different things. Spending time and being forced to spend extra time are two different things. Best of all. I can teach people how to do this themselves. Its easy....If you know a little bit about what you are doing.

 

[DR Grandreefer]

Grinded Empire Ranks for 8 days straight. Says Game isn't a Grind.

*Mind... blown*

Dude. you still arent looking at my logs on Inara. I did no grinding at all. In fact I was running BGS for the factions I work with. Mostly boom data missions. Again the info is there for all the nay sayers to see. But if you cant even take the time to look at that then I can understand why you dont have the right info to make Elite "not grindy" for you. I feel for everyone who bought this game and thought they would have a conda overnight(Not). Even if we say 80 million an hour as a good ratio of money that would mean everyone playing Elite would be in a conda within their first 20 hours of gameplay. Get real and understand if you want good things in life you do need to put some time in to get them.

 

[GroundxZERO]

Yeah, the game is easy. That’s part of what makes it a grind. And that’s why rewards are always so low. FD have created this ridiculous formula of
1-do the most basic action
2-obtain the most basic reward
3-now repeat it until you get an ever so slightly better reward that holds mostly intrinsic value.

It’s a grindfest because frankly it’s boring. That doesn’t mean it isn’t beautiful, and it’s definitely full of potential though.

 

[rp198419]

I just started a new account on PC as I have been an Xbox Elite Player for years now to the tune of about 6800 hours played(On XBox alone)

I'm curious...do you have anything else in your life?

Just asking.

 

[Stealthie]

I'm a little confused.

6,800 hours in ED on the XBox, buys a PC account and is suddenly worried that it's going to be a grind but is then relieved to find it isn't too bad?

Surely you had opportunity to form an opinion of the game during the 6,800 hours you've been playing on XBox?

 

[DR Grandreefer]

I'm curious...do you have anything else in your life?

Just asking.

I was waiting for this question to come up. I feel like everyone here just wanted to say I was making things up just to make them mad. I mean the stats are there. I do work about 25-30 hours a week. I don’t have very many people in my real life as most of them have passed on. It’s kind of just me and the gaming communities I am apart of. I do spend a lot of time playing Elite. I’m not going to lie about that but all numbers referenced by me are in game times. Real life time has nothing to do with me getting my first Cutter within 1 month of in game playing time.

 

[DR Grandreefer]

I'm a little confused.

6,800 hours in ED on the XBox, buys a PC account and is suddenly worried that it's going to be a grind but is then relieved to find it isn't too bad?

Surely you had opportunity to form an opinion of the game during the 6,800 hours you've been playing on XBox?

Surely somebody that has max rank on one account in everything couldnt know what a problem the grind is and all I had to go on was people complaining about the grind. Maybe I don’t understand the question. You do know that you have to do something to know how easy or hard it is to do it, right?