I dont get why everyone thinks Ellite is such a grind

[WR3ND]

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Anyhoo - hope you find your mojo WR3ND; vulture is a fine ship - ignore the h8ers. And if a little company would help? I have a beginner account who needs some mats, so feel free to reach out to 'Cookie Clicker' in game (yes, I am a hilarious and also very stupid guy, love me).

Thanks, mate. I'm just out at Dav's Hope running the gauntlet and login in and out, so not much in the way of something fitting to playing the game. You plan on going on DW2 by chance? I'll more than likely see you there, if that's the case.

Cheers.

 

[Electric Kite]

I started Elite about 3 years ago.

The problem with the game is if i logged in and played today..i would be doing the EXACT same thing i did the first day i played Elite. Either Flying aimlessly looking around at pretty planets, docking and undocking at some pretty station OR pew pewing in some pretty haz res. Things i have done literally, thousands of times already. Yeah...every game has its limit. No game is COMPLETELY unique each time you fire it up...but there are games that do a better job of faking variety OR presenting engaging activities than Elite. Much better. I love elite..but every time i think about playing...in the back of my head im thinking...i know EXACTLY how this is gonna go and you know what...ive no desire to do those things anymore.

I will play again when they add something that i want to see. Something new. Something that doesnt involve doing the things ive done to the point that i feel sick thinking about.

TLDR: After a while..you will want something. Either a ship...or a rank in a particular area. To get it..you will have to invest a huge amount of time doing repetitive loops. Once you get it, you will think: ok what now? And i challenge you to give me a scenario of doing something next that does not involve doing the exact same thing you just did to get that thing you wanted.


Its been years. Literally years. FD, you have the flight mechanics down. ..you can fly in space and that part is very good.

But dont feel suprised that we are very eagre for something new.

 

[Navigare Necesse Est]

Very much agree on what you say. Though the term "playthrough" makes me shudder with an open ended game like ED. This game is definitely not meant to be "beaten" or "played through". Makes no sense, really. It's simply impossible unless you take the completionist approach, which would be pretty exotic in its own. That's why all cost to playtime relations (and comparisons) also make no sense when it comes to ED. Otherwise calculate this relation for me and my meanwhile over 6200 hours playtime from an early Premium Beta account + (pretty cheap at these times) LEP, all together less than 100 Euro.

That said, I'm pretty sure you meant it in a different context. Otherwise I would attest anyone who has seriously a playthrough of Elite in mind a zero understanding of the game. Unfortunately, many people seem to have exactly this in mind...

I call it a "playthrough" even if I don't really play through the game. It's more about the current "incarnation of the game avattar" and its "story".

 

[Jex =TE=]

2 weeks, 4 days and 16 hours works out at 10 months with an average playtime of 10 hours per week.

The actual average playtime will be considerably less than 10 hours a week. I already said that this is why it doesn't seem long to you. You play a lot compared to most people. The fact it's a relatively small portion of your own time in the game isn't any basis from which to judge other people's experience when you are a statistical outlier.

Which also makes their argument entirely irrelevant because they fail to see other people's opinion and base the world solely around themsevles. Yes of course the majority of the player base do nothing other than play ED!!!

No we don't! We're not that hooked by it or even if we are, there's a thing called "real life" as well. Then trying to make a point that 10 months of gameplay, for one ship, isn't grindy just goes to show we have an argument from someone addicted to the game so much, they can't see it and never will making it a pointless exercise.

 

[Jex =TE=]

At 10 hours a day

He said 10 hours a week,....

 

[DR Grandreefer]

Very much agree on what you say. Though the term "playthrough" makes me shudder with an open ended game like ED. This game is definitely not meant to be "beaten" or "played through". Makes no sense, really. It's simply impossible unless you take the completionist approach, which would be pretty exotic in its own. That's why all cost to playtime relations (and comparisons) also make no sense when it comes to ED. Otherwise calculate this relation for me and my meanwhile over 6200 hours playtime from an early Premium Beta account + (pretty cheap at these times) LEP, all together less than 100 Euro.

That said, I'm pretty sure you meant it in a different context. Otherwise I would attest anyone who has seriously a playthrough of Elite in mind a zero understanding of the game. Unfortunately, many people seem to have exactly this in mind...

Yeah. I guess playthrough should’ve been in quotes. Lol

 

[DR Grandreefer]

Which also makes their argument entirely irrelevant because they fail to see other people's opinion and base the world solely around themsevles. Yes of course the majority of the player base do nothing other than play ED!!!

No we don't! We're not that hooked by it or even if we are, there's a thing called "real life" as well. Then trying to make a point that 10 months of gameplay, for one ship, isn't grindy just goes to show we have an argument from someone addicted to the game so much, they can't see it and never will making it a pointless exercise.

You’re mixing my comments up. 10 months to complete a game that you can only play less then 2 hours a day is about right. At 10 hours a day it’s 44.5 days. How long would it take you to beat Skyrim or Fallout, I know I said these before, if you only played it less then 2 hours a day. Let’s include all add ons because for Elite we would be doing that too.

 

[Navigare Necesse Est]

You’re mixing my comments up. 10 months to complete a game that you can only play less then 2 hours a day is about right. At 10 hours a day it’s 44.5 days. How long would it take you to beat Skyrim it Fallout, I know I said these before, if you only played it less then 2 hours a day. Let’s include all add ones because for Elite we would be doing that too.

Skyrim and Fallout - I bet the usual "playthrough" doesn't last longer than 100 hours. But that's hardly comparable to ED. I'd rather take something like Warframe for comparison. Like how long does it take to acquire end-game gear and unlock all major content gameloops.

 

[Artean]

Elite is a great, beautiful world. I like to be there, doing stuff.

 

[DR Grandreefer]

Skyrim and Fallout - I bet the usual "playthrough" doesn't last longer than 100 hours. But that's hardly comparable to ED. I'd rather take something like Warframe for comparison. Like how long does it take to acquire end-game gear and unlock all major content gameloops.

Dude you’re crazy. I have like 5 different characters in Skyrim and the finished ones have well over 3000 hours. Many will have the same if they say they beat Skyrim or Fallout. We are talking about 400-500 hours to a Cutter or a Vette and that’s with unlocking every engineer except Jameson because I clearly don’t have Elite ranks yet. I’m going to continue to stand on my point that if you bought a game a beat it in less then 400 hours played then the price of that game was probably wasted. And the term “beat” is being used very loosely. It would have to be with all these games I’m referring too. “Beat” just means so many different things for games of the scale I’m talking about.

 

[Navigare Necesse Est]

Dude you’re crazy. I have like 5 different characters in Skyrim and the finished ones have well over 3000 hours. Many will have the same if they say they beat Skyrim or Fallout. We are talking about 400-500 hours to a Cutter or a Vette and that’s with unlocking every engineer except Jameson because I clearly don’t have Elite ranks yet. I’m going to continue to stand on my point that if you bought a game a beat it in less then 400 hours played then the price of that game was probably wasted.

You don't need thousands of hours to play through Skyrim, lol. You are a very edge case in gaming.

 

[DR Grandreefer]

You don't need thousands of hours to play through Skyrim, lol. You are a very edge case in gaming.

100 hours in Skyrim and you called it beat. I would say you only focused on the main quest and missed so many side quests that it’s safe to say you missed more then 60% of the game. That percent is being modest.

 

[Jex =TE=]

You’re mixing my comments up. 10 months to complete a game that you can only play less then 2 hours a day is about right. At 10 hours a day it’s 44.5 days. How long would it take you to beat Skyrim or Fallout, I know I said these before, if you only played it less then 2 hours a day. Let’s include all add ons because for Elite we would be doing that too.

No I wasn't. I was answering Anders comment about how long it takes to get one cutter - 10 months of play time for someone ho plays 10 hours a week. I then went on to point out that playing so much are genreally not worth arguing a point with because they're too much into the game to be objective.

Oh wait!

You quoted the wrong post

100 hours in Skyrim and you called it beat. I would say you only focused on the main quest and missed so many side quests that it’s safe to say you missed more then 60% of the game. That percent is being modest.

Do you literally do nothing but play computer games?

 

[Navigare Necesse Est]

100 hours in Skyrim and you called it beat. I would say you only focused on the main quest and missed so many side quests that it’s safe to say you missed more then 60% of the game. That percent is being modest.

Nope, in 100 hours you can bring your character to end game easily. Most open world games allow to faff around for the fun of it - but none take long to reach end game levels. Even if I did every side mission I wouldn't come anything close to 200 hours for content completion. Same in Fallout, Mass Effect Andromeda and all the likes. 200 hours is serious completionism.

 

[Runnybabbit]

Is there or isn't there a grind? .. Well, in my opinion, it all depends on how you look at it, and how you regard what is, and isn't necessary, to do in the game. If you find yourself completing tasks, just to try and get to a perceived 'endpoint', before moving onto the next one, then you may well (especially regarding engineering each of your ship) feel that the tasks are a grind.

I just counted up my gametime so far, and have made (without being afk at any time) 2676 hours so far. I haven't regarded any of it as a grind, I think, purely because I don't regard the game, and what I do in the game, as 'gaming'. I tend to think of it more, as a 'pastime'.

That's exactly what the game delivers for me, a pleasant way of passing the time..

 

[DR Grandreefer]

Nope, in 100 hours you can bring your character to end game easily. Most open world games allow to faff around for the fun of it - but none take long to reach end game levels. Even if I did every side mission I wouldn't come anything close to 200 hours for content completion. Same in Fallout, Mass Effect Andromeda and all the likes. 200 hours is serious completionism.

Again you’re looking at an end game completion of Skyrim(credits rolling) as some type of finish line not to mention I can’t believe that you’re including all the add-ons and still counting for 100 hours of play at two hours a day that would put you at 50 days just to do the hundred hours. Comparing a straight line finish to someone’s playthrough that has all side quests done is like comparing apples to oranges. I think it’s safe to say you aren’t going to understand and agree with my thoughts but when others players have cane along with your same mindset and hours after some help from a few veterans of the game they are saying I cannot believe I thought it was all that hard. maybe you just need to play some more Elite again. Or you can sit here complaining about the game and still not progress.

edit: I would compare a rush to the last quest in Skyrim is comparable to a rush to get a imperial clipper or a FAS for the feds. There’s still so much more to do in both games.

 

[Red Anders]

At 10 hours a day thats only 44.5 days. Pretty consistent with all games. In fact if I bought a game and it lasted for less I would feel the price of that game would be wasted. Even at 5 hours a day you should take more then 90 days to complete it. We can do math but we should get the math right. But 10 months? That would be like 2.5 hours a day and I still think at that rate I would expect to take 10 months to beat any large game like Skyrim or Fallout it still pretty well matches up. I can’t think of large scale games to compare right now, there is a bunch, but I think you get where I’m going.

Sorry, I have no clue what you're on about mate. I said 10 hours per week, not per day?

I thought your 2 weeks, 4 days and 16 hours was in-game time? If so, my maths is fine thanks.

14 days x 24 = 336 hours
4 days x 24 = 96 hours
16 hours = 16 hours

336 + 96 + 16 = 448 hours

448 / 10 = 44.8

Pretty sure 44.8 weeks is around 10 months.

My point is that you seem to think reaching the point you have done now has been 'quick'. I'm pointing out that to someone who is still playing this game for way longer than the actual average time will be, your 'quick' achievement would take them ten months.

Your entire thinking on this matter is coloured by the fact you seem to think the amount of time you spend playing the game is somehow representative of the norm. It's not. It's not even close.

 

[DR Grandreefer]

Sorry, I have no clue what you're on about mate. I said 10 hours per week, not per day?

I thought your 2 weeks, 4 days and 16 hours was in-game time? If so, my maths is fine thanks.

14 days x 24 = 336 hours
4 days x 24 = 96 hours
16 hours = 16 hours

336 + 96 + 16 = 448 hours

448 / 10 = 44.8

Pretty sure 44.8 weeks is around 10 months.

My point is that you seem to think reaching the point you have done now has been 'quick'. I'm pointing out that to someone who is still playing this game for way longer than the actual average time will be, your 'quick' achievement would take them ten months.

Your entire thinking on this matter is coloured by the fact you seem to think the amount of time you spend playing the game is somehow representative of the norm. It's not. It's not even close.

I hear everything you’re saying. The norm you a referring to can be changed with some info. I think some on here haven’t played the game and is still objective to the grind from 6 or more months ago. Others seem to think they can just learn how to play Elite and make it easy by themselves. There is too much info in Elite and you need to do a bit of reaearch but if one person can make it easy and on a short amount of time isn’t that fact that others can be doing too?
and ten hours a week? Do you really ever complete any game? I think you are just getting to a point that you call it complete. Also like the Skyrim example of thinking you’re done when you finish the last mission.

edit. I’ll admit that was a little rude and I am sorry but I meant no offense. I just realized that the completion your complaining about not obtaining is a very low standard compared to the completion of Elite I’m trying to help others get too. I mean if you think you beat a full game of Skyrim with 100 hours played we are clearly on very different conversations.

 

[Navigare Necesse Est]

Again you’re looking at an end game completion of Skyrim(credits rolling) as some type of finish line not to mention I can’t believe that you’re including all the add-ons and still counting for 100 hours of play at two hours a day that would put you at 50 days just to do the hundred hours. Comparing a straight line finish to someone’s playthrough that has all side quests done is like comparing apples to oranges. I think it’s safe to say you aren’t going to understand and agree with my thoughts but when others players have cane along with your same mindset and hours after some help from a few veterans of the game they are saying I cannot believe I thought it was all that hard. maybe you just need to play some more Elite again. Or you can sit here complaining about the game and still not progress.

edit: I would compare a rush to the last quest in Skyrim is comparable to a rush to get a imperial clipper or a FAS for the feds. There’s still so much more to do in both games.

I count vanilla of course. And end game does not mean end of game - it means unlocking all available content and building a character that can handle that content well. How long you faff around with it is not what interests anybody - it is how long it takes to possibly get there and that doesn't take huindreds of hours - a couple dozens tops.

 

[Red Anders]

I hear everything you’re saying. The norm you a referring to can be changed with some info. I think some on here haven’t played the game and is still objective to the grind from 6 or more months ago. Others seem to think they can just learn how to play Elite and make it easy by themselves. There is too much info in Elite and you need to do a bit of reaearch but if one person can make it easy and on a short amount of time isn’t that fact that others can be doing too?
and ten hours a week? Do you really ever complete any game? I think you are just getting to a point that you call it complete. Also like the Skyrim example of thinking you’re done when you finish the last mission.

edit. I’ll admit that was a little rude and I am sorry but I meant no offense. I just realized that the completion your complaining about not obtaining is a very low standard compared to the completion of Elite I’m trying to help others get too. I mean if you think you beat a full game of Skyrim with 100 hours played we are clearly on very different conversations.

No need to apologise and as far as this game is concerned, I have getting on for 3k hours in it myself and pretty much everything I want/need. I'm the first to criticise games that are released these days with 20 hours of gameplay by the way; when I started gaming that wouldn't even be good for an expansion pack! I'm not complaining at all myself because I'm 'lucky' enough to actually have quite a lot of time to play this and other games - I'm more making a general point/advocating on behalf of those who don't because I can accept that there are way, way more of those within the player base for this game than there are people like me!