I don't like the new ice worlds.

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Surface at different distances... (And yes that's a dormant geyser at the bottom of that crater.)

And I'm just going to leave this one here, because... I just can't...

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(Yes - the recall autopilot did this...)

Yup - almost totally flat. Those bumps look lower than your anaconda :D
 
That's what ice looks like when it's wet and reflects.
Yep, how is ice wet on these planets though? If the thin atmosphere physical properties were near the phase change point from solid to liquid, we'd see also lakes at least. That's not the case. If anything, the pressure is low enough for a direct solid -> gas phase change, as the pressure is very low. "Wet ice" look is impossible in them.
 
I got u fam. These are both nitrogen atmo ice planets.
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I think what people aren't getting is that the planets actually have 'biomes' and different features at different places... If you don't like where you are currently, go into orbit and fly upside down for a while until you see an interesting feature, then come back down. Previously in horizon, each planet was entirely one thing. Like, if it had ravines, the entire planet was mostly ravines. If was flat, the whole thing was flat. Individual planets are much more varied internally now, so you find mountain ridges and lowlands and hilly parts. It does mean that you need to do some work to find the 'scenic overlook' that you want, because searching a planet is actually pretty time consuming.
Except that features from orbit now disappear as you get closer... It's bait & switch within a bait & switch. Face it, Frontier screwed up pretty big this time and it looks like their business model for high turnover and replacing veterans with student interns has finally caught up with them.

I used to use Elite to show off what was possible in games today, but I would be embarrassed to introduce anyone new to this game right now. Not saying they can't salvage it but it won't happen overnight and something fundamental would have to change from the top down.
 
Yep, how is ice wet on these planets though? If the thin atmosphere physical properties were near the phase change point from solid to liquid, we'd see also lakes at least. That's not the case. If anything, the pressure is low enough for a direct solid -> gas phase change, as the pressure is very low. "Wet ice" look is impossible in them.
Melts in the sun like it does on mountain tops. That’s why you do the summit push before dawn, otherwise the ice is less stable.
 
Top right: "Development test not final" 🤷‍♂️
I'm actually really glad this didn't work out!
I really don't like it! It looks shiny and all but... the colours and all. It also looks very artificial. Wouldn't be a fit for Elite at all. Maybe when we get Earth likes and frozen lakes. That might be fitting. :)
 
Melts in the sun like it does on mountain tops. That’s why you do the summit push before dawn, otherwise the ice is less stable.
Once again, phase change doesn't depend only on temperatue, but also on pressure. The thin atmosphere of landable planets should not permit liquid formation.

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As you can see, below a certain pressure, for each chemical element or compound, there's not possible the formation of liquid. The diagram above is for water, but most elements and compounds have similar ones. The planets we land on have VERY little pressure.
 
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Hard to find images of sun reflecting on ice in Antarctica where the temperature is too cold for water. Here is ice reflecting the sunlight. It is plasticky looking.

Perhaps there is a case for turning down the reflectivity - but then, this is water ice. We do not have anything to compare for other types. My previous picture was Ammonia ice.
 
Once again, phase change doesn't depend only on temperatue, but also on pressure. The thin atmosphere of landable planets should not permit liquid formation.

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As you can see, below a certain pressure, for each chemical element or compound, there's not possible the formation of liquid. The diagram above is for water, but most elements and compounds have similar ones. The planets we land on have VERY little pressure.
Water exists on Europa and that has little to no pressure. It's possible there is liquid trapped just underneath the surface. Which would then lead to the presence of geysers, so see my last set of pictures.
 
Okay - so I am wrong. Water has an albedo of around 0.06 whilst ice has an albedo of between 0.5-0.7. If there is snow it can rise up to around 0.9. Which means... [drum role] plain snow covered ice is actually more reflective than water. In fact, it is the most reflective thing on earth. Eat that, plastic!
 
Yep, how is ice wet on these planets though? If the thin atmosphere physical properties were near the phase change point from solid to liquid, we'd see also lakes at least. That's not the case. If anything, the pressure is low enough for a direct solid -> gas phase change, as the pressure is very low. "Wet ice" look is impossible in them.

I don't think it's wet. It's that the ice is essentially the "rock" of these planets. It's solid, crystalline geology, aeons old, formed in vacuum or near vacuum, and isn't mixed with air like the relatively ephemeral snow powder or surface pack ice we see on Earth. There is no snowfall on these planets.

Ice free of trapped air is usually rock hard, shiny, and clear. Or clouded and coloured by whatever mineral inclusions and contaminants are within it, with the smooth, shiny surface of an unmelted ice lolly/popsicle.

It's that popsicle surface you're seeing, not slime.

The game could probably sell that look more convincingly though.
 
Okay - so I am wrong. Water has an albedo of around 0.06 whilst ice has an albedo of between 0.5-0.7. If there is snow it can rise up to around 0.9. Which means... [drum role] plain snow covered ice is actually more reflective than water. In fact, it is the most reflective thing on earth. Eat that, plastic!
Albedo is only part of the answer. Surface roughness plays a bigger role than how much radiation something absorbs and reflects in creating that look. On that picture you posted, the melted ice forming a thin layer of liquid water on top of ice due to the sun and Earth's pressure give it that typical "wet ice" reflection (much lower surface roughness than just natural ice or snow), which is seen on Odyssey planets. My argument is that those planets don't have enough pressure for the phase change to liquid due to the temperature increase, thus rendering that "wet ice" or "plastic" look not realistic as the solid would turn to gas when heated.
 
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I don't think it's wet. It's that the ice is essentially the "rock" of these planets. It's solid, crystalline geology, aeons old, formed in vacuum or near vacuum, and isn't mixed with air like the relatively ephemeral snow powder or surface pack ice we see on Earth. There is no snowfall on these planets.

Ice free of trapped air is usually rock hard, shiny, and clear. Or clouded and coloured by whatever mineral inclusions and contaminants are within it, with the smooth, shiny surface of an unmelted ice lolly/popsicle.

It's that popsicle surface you're seeing, not slime.

The game could probably sell that look more convincingly though.
Very good point.
 
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