I hope they boost the Nublar map size with the FK update.

[RadicalEdward2]

Yeah...Nublar's size seems pretty underwhelming considering that you can't even see the iconic waterfalls (or any waterfall at all) on Nublar.

Any yet, non-Nublar islands have waterfalls.

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I couldn't even find any ruins inside or outside of the playable area.
There's even some trippin' out going on with the water effects outside of the playable area.

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To be honest, the map looks and feels smaller than the real island. I was expecting the entire island to be accessible; not just an inner valley of it.

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If they make the island bigger, lets also hope that they add the ability to build docks and helipads for visitors instead of having monorails everywhere.​

 

[MarkyB83]

Just wanted to add my 2 cents and say that the Nublar map design & size is probably the most disappointing thing about the game. I did think the design would have much more resemblance to what has been seen in both Jurassic Park and Jurassic World. Particularly Jurassic World because the film has lots of shots of big areas of the park. I actually think the starting build area of Tacano resembles the 'main street' area better, given the big lake opposite the entrance.

 

[Karnstein]

Hmm i'm starting to think that they limited the island for FPS sake.. if we get a island as big as Nublar and fill it with dinosaur.. we might get some Frame rate problem.. remember BestinSlot video?

 

[cookiemonster52]

Hmm i'm starting to think that they limited the island for FPS sake.. if we get a island as big as Nublar and fill it with dinosaur.. we might get some Frame rate problem.. remember BestinSlot video?

They should at least offer PC (and maybe PS4 Pro & XB1X) users the option of a larger map, or map creation tool.

 

[MarkyB83]

Hmm i'm starting to think that they limited the island for FPS sake.. if we get a island as big as Nublar and fill it with dinosaur.. we might get some Frame rate problem.. remember BestinSlot video?

Yeah FPS has to be a factor, however BIS put 600 dinos in his park which is extreme to say the least. On average, given a bigger park how many actual dinos would people put in their park? I actually think most of us would be pretty happy to have a cap around 200 if it meant for bigger maps. I say 200 because JPOG limited to 60 and that was still actually very playable. 200 is 3 times that (given we have so many species in JWE) and I think in the Novels & Films there were only around 15-20 species, so I'd guess around 2-300 dinos max. It's only my opinion but I don't see the need for more than that?

That said, I think the design of Nublar could've been better - given Muerta's beaches, Tacano's lake, Pena's cliffs and even the starter island Matanceros has a little mountain in the middle which enhances the landscape.

 

[SonOfTheSun]

That FPS argument could be the reason but I really don't accept that. If people want to build 500 Animals and then get low FPS it is their fault. I won't create much more than 100 Animals even if I have the whole Island to use.

 

[Alphacenturion]

The 'issue' with increasing Nublar would be the extra performance issues it would demand from the platforms. I'm not against it far from it I've wondered why you'd have a sandbox island but can only have a limited amount of space to work with meaning you cant have all the dinosaurs in one park. Also I've had countless issues with terrain restraints with this game and unless the ground is perfectly flat buildings mess up all the nearby ground and paths. I also think they need to add a Site-B even if its not to be included in the lore of the Jurassic franchise it certainly is a feature that would really show off the dinosaurs in a more natural environment.

 

[Karnstein]

I think its more about console fps sake, Pc can handle a few hundreds dinosaurs very well, but consoles.. i don't think...so they need to take it in consideration. Also about BestInSlot video, he made 600 Struthiomimus, same model, animation and sound, now imagine a 400 dinosaur park, with different species, different animation and sound.. it might sound meh, but it can put some stress in your GPU and CPU. I'm not defending Frontier, i'm just looking at the hardware problem that a big island might bring to everyone. I want a mode where we can build an island, like in JPOG, also i really want more terrain tools, like swamp, waterfalls.

 

[RadicalEdward2]

The 'issue' with increasing Nublar would be the extra performance issues it would demand from the platforms. I'm not against it far from it I've wondered why you'd have a sandbox island but can only have a limited amount of space to work with meaning you cant have all the dinosaurs in one park. Also I've had countless issues with terrain restraints with this game and unless the ground is perfectly flat buildings mess up all the nearby ground and paths. I also think they need to add a Site-B even if its not to be included in the lore of the Jurassic franchise it certainly is a feature that would really show off the dinosaurs in a more natural environment.

The problem with that argument is that the playable area seems small even by small standards.
Considering the stuff they made for Planet Coaster and the variety of options they have there, I would be fine if they did more upscaling on Nublar and the game in-general.
On top of that, the map's already there. Its just a matter of expanding the borders a bit.
Having only unlocked Nublar last night, I'm starting to get worried about how small Site B will potentially be.

 

[Gondrasia]

I think its more about console fps sake, Pc can handle a few hundreds dinosaurs very well, but consoles.. i don't think...so they need to take it in consideration. Also about BestInSlot video, he made 600 Struthiomimus, same model, animation and sound, now imagine a 400 dinosaur park, with different species, different animation and sound.. it might sound meh, but it can put some stress in your GPU and CPU. I'm not defending Frontier, i'm just looking at the hardware problem that a big island might bring to everyone. I want a mode where we can build an island, like in JPOG, also i really want more terrain tools, like swamp, waterfalls.

Do you think it would it best for this game to have an unlimited dinosaur population cap but limited island maps (what we have now), or a limited dinosaur population cap (e.g. 100) but have larger island maps (downloadable update)?

 

[SonOfTheSun]

Then don't build more than 100-200 Dinosaurs, it isn't very complicated. You will see how many things on one map your rig can handle. I also don't get why you would want that many animals. If you want to make your park look like a modern zoo with small enclosures right next to each other than you won't need a very big map. But if you want to recreate Jurassic Park or World which was more like a wildlife park with huge enclosures for different species to live together, then you have to watch after your animals needs. For example you won't be able to create a Gallimimus herd with more than 18 animals. And there you have your "natural" population cap.

 

[Kaiodenic]

Yeah... You won't be best pleased with it. Map is big, but most of the "map" off-limits.

 

[MarkyB83]

I guess it would be insteresting to hear from the devs what they think they could achieve.... e.g. if we limit to X number of dinos, we can have a map Y size.

 

[Karnstein]

Do you think it would it best for this game to have an unlimited dinosaur population cap but limited island maps (what we have now), or a limited dinosaur population cap (e.g. 100) but have larger island maps (downloadable update)?

I'm ok with limited dinosaur population cap with better island design and space, for example, i'm on Isla Sorna, all island is filled, i think i have... like... 80 dinosaur.. AT best. How about, each island having a different dinosaur limit cap, duo to the island design, but if you want an universal population cap, i would go to.. 200 max, that would be a balance number, it also be ok for the console version to handle.

 

[PCMR4Life]

The issue is that we are only playing on one small part of the islands. Not the whole island. Matter of fact it would be impossible for us to play on the whole island. The consoles would never be able to render it all and it would just look like a mess. PC's might be able to do it a bit better but even then I doubt they would look any better. I doubt playing on even half of Nublar would be possible.

I have Nublar unlocked, it's not nearly as small as people make it out to be. It could use a little more room for sure. But I wouldn't describe it as tiny or small. That is just an exaggeration.

 

[Karnstein]

If you want to make your park look like a modern zoo with small enclosures right next to each other than you won't need a very big map.

I'm totally tempted to do it.. i have played far too much of Wildlife Park and Zoo Tycoon ahahaha

 

[cookiemonster52]

The issue is that we are only playing on one small part of the islands. Not the whole island. Matter of fact it would be impossible for us to play on the whole island. The consoles would never be able to render it all and it would just look like a mess. PC's might be able to do it a bit better but even then I doubt they would look any better. I doubt playing on even half of Nublar would be possible.

I have Nublar unlocked, it's not nearly as small as people make it out to be. It could use a little more room for sure. But I wouldn't describe it as tiny or small. That is just an exaggeration.

There is no "might" about it, any modern PC with decent hardware will crush the current consoles, especially with a larger map and more models, which is going to stress the CPU more than GPU, and the CPUs in consoles (even XB1X) are extremely weak. Obviously there will be a performance gap between different PCs, but this is nothing that PC users aren't already used to experiencing. Everyone knows that if you want more performance you need better hardware, that's just a given. At the very least, there should be official mod support on the PC so that capable users can create awesome mods for those of us with good hardware.

 

[SonOfTheSun]

I have Nublar unlocked, it's not nearly as small as people make it out to be. It could use a little more room for sure. But I wouldn't describe it as tiny or small. That is just an exaggeration.

No you're just defending things again where the majority agrees about are flaws in the game. Just accept it that people have this opinion.
Strategy games are generating areas which are way bigger than Nublar since always.

 

[Gondrasia]

The issue is that we are only playing on one small part of the islands. Not the whole island. Matter of fact it would be impossible for us to play on the whole island. The consoles would never be able to render it all and it would just look like a mess. PC's might be able to do it a bit better but even then I doubt they would look any better. I doubt playing on even half of Nublar would be possible.

I have Nublar unlocked, it's not nearly as small as people make it out to be. It could use a little more room for sure. But I wouldn't describe it as tiny or small. That is just an exaggeration.

I don’t mind if it’s not possible to play on the whole island; after all in the movie, Isla Nublar had restricted areas that had little to no construction and unaccessible to visitors. But considering how Frontier and Universal Studios will be looking to extend the game's lifespan with potential new animals and buildings through free updates and DLC, such as the upcoming Fallen Kingdom pack; adding a couple more buildable areas to the islands would be very beneficial to both the developers and the players.

e.g. Adding a couple more valleys to Isla Nublar, would give players the opportunity to build a more authentic recreation of Jurassic World from the movie.

 

[JimboFlames]

I don't think so. BiS made 600 Struthis before is computer gave up. I guess even with bigger maps people won't produce much more than 100 or 200 max., you can't have that much animals in one Paddock anyway because of the prefered population size in their stats. And again, that is up to us, if we want to overheat our computer then let us do that. Everybody can see that this game is very good optimized and runs very smooth even when the maps are bigger like Nublar or Sorna.

It won’t be dictated by PC, unless they release PC only maps.

The map sizes -and actually other mechanics too- have clearly been limited with the intention of keeping players to a number of dinos which consoles will be able to handle without struggling. It may be possible to force enough dinos to make a console struggle already, but only by playing in a way which clearly isn’t intended.

It’s not a valid option for them to just make maps bigger if the result is consoles can’t handle it even when playing normally.

Imo the only chance of significantly bigger maps is if they release PC only maps or find significant performance savings somewhere.