I just don't get it..

[Zelos1983]

I suppose I owe a bit of an apolgy.

Yesterdays subject matter did grip my poop a wee bit, I find the topic irritiating to say the least.

I am sorry for acting like a tool.

I apologize as well. It was not my intention to make you angry or hurt you (or anyone else).

 

[goemon]

Listen, I am fundamentally in agreement with you on that. Better be safe than sorry!

However, there are a number of other factors that play out, and some of them we don't even know from the OP:

-Interdiction, per se, is not lethal. So is not like pointing a gun at you. Is rather coming with shackles at you. So, not so similar to a gun.

just to add, that activating the scanner in sc triggers a "XXX deployed hardpoints" message afaik.
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beside that, there are people, like me, who switch to open when approaching sag a, because i hope to meet fellow explorers.

and there are explorers, like the OP, who have there safety procedures right! well done.

 

[JeffRyan]

Listen, I am fundamentally in agreement with you on that. Better be safe than sorry!

However, there are a number of other factors that play out, and some of them we don't even know from the OP:

-Interdiction, per se, is not lethal. So is not like pointing a gun at you. Is rather coming with shackles at you. So, not so similar to a gun.
-Yes, you have heard about the griefers, and if you were in Mt Everest, you probably would have also heard about the Rangers there. And it so happens one of them has an Anaconda.
-The chat communication is important. What was said -or not!? -we are on the blind here
-The distance: from the radar picture, this guy was nowhere near to be interdicted. In fact, so far, you can barely see it, if at all.

My point being that those conditions create a rather ambiguous situation for few seconds that requires sound judgement. Probability of being danger is one outcome and better be safe. But IS NOT the only outcome, nor should be the only assumption, after the fact.

Fah! He did the right thing, he drew the right conclusions. Let's say you're correct and the analogy shackles works better. If someone's coming towards me with shackles I'm thinking he doesn't have something nice planned.

He wants to pull me out of hyperspace because he's just cooked a rather splendid dinner and he wants to pull him in for an invite?

It's very simple to me, if you want me to consider you friendly, don't come at me in supercruise with your hardpoints deployed, I (like the OP) will assume the worst.

You're correct in the sense that maybe the Anaconda had friendly intentions, but he went about them the wrong way and in that situation I'd assume the same thing.

 

[Alex Traut]

Nope, but being right in saying that does make it so ;-).

This is the only line from your post that was necessary in order to understand that there is absolutely no value in continuing to engage you on this subject, and I thank you for providing it up-front so that there was no need to waste my time reading the rest.

Look up "argument by assertion" sometime.

 

[Cdr Voorheez]

I apologize as well. It was not my intention to make you angry or hurt you (or anyone else).

Good glad we are not enemies Cdr. My views on this subject are passionate. I still struggle with the concept of rogue Cdrs killing Exploring Cdrs for kicks but as the subject has been excellently argued for and against the concept I have to agree is it is a fundamental, if slightly abhorrent, aspect of FD game mechanics.
It's open play, it simulates real life, and real life sometimes is full of bags
You not included Cdr. Glad we are ok with each other.

 

[Setu]

Simplez. Bring back smart bombs. Limit them in some way - 1 per month no credits for kills etc. Give explorers a chance. Only need it very rarely.

 

[RexKraemer]

Currently I am on my way to Sagittarius A* and thanks to this thread and the OP I am now prepared!
I didn't expected that there are CMDRs waiting for me to kill me. But, now that I know, my motivation to reach my destination just got a boost. This is what makes this game what it is. I am not sure if I play open or solo when it comes to the end. Until now I always played open and enjoyed it in every facet, but this time, maybe the price is to high and I go into solo.

RexKraemer

 

[Killasandara]

What an awesome group of folks we have on here. I would like to commend you all for being open and honest. This is a hot topic for many and it could very easily have become a smash FD or the game in general. But you all have debated this very well. This is why I will continue to visit the forums and play in open. Folks like those that have posted on here. Thank you all just for being the way you are.

I hope to run into any and all of you out here. ++ rep to all...

 

[AsukaZ]

I completely support one's choice to play the game the way they want and, as there are currently no specific rules against it, choose to kill other commanders in a way that is both very inconveniencing and hardly justifiable. Open may not specifically say that you should expect to be killed by other commanders, but what else can you say is an interaction? Interaction is the broadest term possible with countless results possible. You will make friends and enemies. Combat is naturally part of the definition of interaction. That is the human condition.

But as much as it is possible for one to go the route of senseless violence, it is also possible for me to avoid it.

In my mind, no one is wrong. Unless F Dev specifically states otherwise, what these commanders are doing at Sag A is completely acceptable, even if most of us find it absolutely appalling.

I have played MMOs for the last 15 years. Most of that was in an open PvP environment. I know exactly what the risks are and what the best ways to avoid them are. It doesn't always work.

Solo and private groups are just another option. If people choose open, they should be well aware that it carries these inherent risks.


That said. I will do anything within my power to prevent the loss of my currently 4.5 months worth of data. If dropping into solo makes me a coward in your eyes, that's fine. The amount that I care is basically nonexistent. I will not be forced to interact with you and therefor, you mean nothing to me. Once I return to the bubble and sell my data and have the creds to roll around in a military grade conda, that will likely change.

Safe flying, y'all.

+rep as this pretty much sums up my thoughts on the subject.

No one in their right mind would call anyone a coward for dropping into solo. It's not about bravery, it's about risk management. And explorers often have a lot more in terms of time invested to lose to a griefer than any other role in the game. I myself always fly in solo for the last stretch of any return journey.

I now have an A rated military Python, I've called it 'The White Knight'. When and if the mood takes me, I might just take it out and try hunt down some of the psycho killers preying on the weak and defenceless. I don't how successful I'll be at finding and fighting them, I'm not very experienced as a combat pilot but I think it might be fun, and I think that's a part what the PvP aspect of the game is all about.

 

[Kancro Vantas]

Sorry all for my delay in response. As stated initially, I only get on a bit each day.

you are correct Kancro, I was not at any point attacked. I try my best not to place myself in a position where I can be.

I play in open knowing that there are greifers out here. However, there are more good folks that are fun to talk with and share experience with. That is why i put up with the pirates, griefers and others that like to create a bit of havoc. to that point Motherhood of Bran is spot on.

I have been the target too many times as a trader and explorer to wait and see what someones intentions are. If they are in front of me and do not try any communications then deploy hardpoints I will always err on the side of overcautious. Especially after two months of work to achieve a goal. However, I was unaware that anyone encountered in an anarchy system will show as lawless. To that point i will concede that i could easily be wrong. But, If an anaconda sees me arrive in a diamondback explorer I am defiantly no threat. So why not start the conversation rather than deploy hardpoints and start to maneuver towards me? As often as I have been interdicted or avoided interdiction, to me that smells funny. I did not note the CMDR's name and for that I do apologize. I was chastised before by mentioning a CMDR on forums so do not do that. If it was one of the good guys then i owe them a cool adult beverage. If not then i am just citing history, mine.

I am not trying to bash FD or how the game works. I love this game and have spent many hours on it since BETA. I know there are those that take great joy in the pain of others. But there are many, many more that will do all they can to help. my only point in starting this chain was that I just do not understand the mentality of those that prey on others weaker or unable to defend or fight back. I suppose there are those that will say look at human history and then call me multiple different things. Was I correct this time that the CMDR I encountered was only going to cause me grief? We won't know now. So to one point I am glad I did not note nor post a name.

and yes Motherhood.. watch me run right there with you

What an awesome group of folks we have on here. I would like to commend you all for being open and honest. This is a hot topic for many and it could very easily have become a smash FD or the game in general. But you all have debated this very well. This is why I will continue to visit the forums and play in open. Folks like those that have posted on here. Thank you all just for being the way you are.

I hope to run into any and all of you out here. ++ rep to all...

All cool CMDR! As I said before, we didn't have a picture of how comms went in the game. And I concede you acted upon common sense. Agreed that CMDR whoever should have engaged in good chat regardless...and as you were pointing out the griefers attitude, I was pointing out to the small, but big enough gap to call this CMDR one, beyond reasonable doubt

I am also an Open player and have never played Solo. Like most of us, I understand the risks and responsibilities that come with it. And I can also confirm that most people you find out there are good and nice. A hollow square or triangle in my radar, means interaction and excitement. For most Solo players, means doom and evilness. It's really funny if you read the threads. I am glad you are not one of those. Repped. ;-)

 

[CmdrMetta]

Hey Cmdr, you did the right thing in assuming the worst and getting out of there. I'll never deploy weapons (unless by accident(happens a lot)), will always look and say hey a few times, and will never try to creep up on some explorer to interdict them without asking. There were some conda murderers out here a couple of weeks ago, you must have run into one of them. They have been kicked out though and all has been peaceful for two weeks now.

 

[Genar-Hofoen]

Hey Cmdr, you did the right thing in assuming the worst and getting out of there. I'll never deploy weapons (unless by accident(happens a lot)), will always look and say hey a few times, and will never try to creep up on some explorer to interdict them without asking. There were some conda murderers out here a couple of weeks ago, you must have run into one of them. They have been kicked out though and all has been peaceful for two weeks now.

Ah, the goodly CMDR Metta himself. Greetings o7

Good to see you on the forums.

I'd also like to add that CMDR Metta interdicted me - but only after suggesting it as a quick'n'dirty way of getting us and CMDR Dogeh in the same instance at Sag. A*

Worked a treat, but I'll admit to being a tad nervous at being interdicted at Sag. A* in my Cobra Mk.III by an Anaconda

Good times!

 

[daHawk]

(unless by accident(happens a lot)

Haha i would not have come that close if i had known this before

(was a bit stupid maneuver from me, fortunately no accidents)

 

[Deleted member 38366]

Just a notice (unsure if it's been mentioned yet) :

For all I know, Explorers with the Discovery Scanner selected in the Firing Group (= standard Exploration mode) will always show up as hollow Triangles to others in SC.

I first noticed it after returning to Exploration CG locations with other Explorers returning as well. Saw lots of Ships - even Haulers - with what looked like Deployed Hardpoints.
I was usually thinking "Wow, a Hauler w/ deployed Hardpoints *lol*, that guy is looking for trouble".

Took me a random encounter with another Explorer in an uninhabited System to find out, where I asked him why his Hardpoints were deployed (displayed as hollow Triangle).
He made clear that he didn't do that, was just scanning around like me myself. And he did notice that I was showing as a Triangle to him as well. Actually cycling Hardpoints btw. did not make any difference.

I "think" that activating/popping the Discovery Scanner just once in SC is enough to turn into a Triangle in SC - but others would need to fool around with that issue and confirm it.

IMHO just something to take note of, since deploying hardpoints in SC basically has no use... although some still use it to show others readiness for combat (AFAIK serves no other purpose - any drop into normal space will always leave the Ship with retracted hardpoints).
I made it a habit to switch to another Firing Group and disable the Discovery Scanner (removed from its normal firing Group) before returning into busy places - just to avoid any misunderstanding.
I sure don't want to unintentionally run around as a hollow Triangle in SC after returning from an Exploration trip...