I shouldn't have to check reddit to know whats going on

[Badben]

I don't have any idea how it ought to work, all I know is that I don't like how it works now. For example, if there's a player group in game, that even have their own faction and station, why can't I somehow join that group in game? I don't want to go to another website, or search reddit, or go on teamspeak or check some chat room that is completely separate from the game. Or even with Power Play, I join up, but to find out what's happening, or organize, or to even chat with others from my power I have to go on reddit? seriously?

What this does is make me feel very disconnected from what's actually going on in game, I feel like to even get a sense of what people are up to, or participate in the actual game I need to check up on so many other sites, and if I don't, I'm really missing out on the fun.

And then there's the fact that people who organize player groups or are somehow more involved in the community are also more important in-game. The latest CG got me feeling like this, Obsidian Orbital. Apparently it's been named after some guy named Obsidian Ant by a community vote. That's cool for him, I have nothing against him, congrats, I'm sure he did something to deserve it too, but I most certainly won't ever have a space station named after me because I am never going to be that involved, and even if I wanted to start my own player group, I can't, I'm not even technically skilled enough to run my own website, and I have no time for it anyway. It all makes me feel like there's a level to this game that's not accessible to me.

I think it all comes down to Frontier relying too much on community generated content to fill out the game. There are so many people who don't have the time , or can't be bothered, or simply don't know about the wider community because it's not in-game, it's on reddit and wordpress. I'm also not saying we should have less community generated content and player groups and so on, it's all awesome we should have more if anything, but I just wish it were all more accessible from in game and not relying on other websites so much.

 

[SirGeldi]

100% agree
I should be informed on forums and galnet without have to use 3rd partty sides lilke reddit, facebook, twitter or other anitsocial media.

 

[Marshall...]

I agree, that there is a separate "layer" of gameplay that is not accessible ingame. The subforums/Reddit are useful as you stated, but it is a pain not being able to see all of this information in game - there is no 1 stop shop unfortunately

 

[MottiKhan]

I agree as well. Powerplay is a little better now that they've given us subforums. Some of the reddit stuff is being mirrored here.

I refuse to go to Facebook or other social media site for the game.

 

[Cynaqq]

100% agree
I should be informed on forums and galnet without have to use 3rd partty sides lilke reddit, facebook, twitter or other anitsocial media.

But, these player groups were formed outside the game. They were not in any way led by the developers. Players took it upon themselves to form groups. You make it look like FD went out of their way to encourage the player groups to be excluded from the official forums. They are not, actually there is information on the groups forum here on the official forums.

Also community goals are announced here, and on GalNet too, if you want to participate, you don't have to go to reddit or any other source outside.

Coming to players who spent their own time to organize events, form and manage groups, building and running their own fansites, without expecting anything in return form the developers for their efforts. Why wouldn't be more important than someone who doesn't? They contribute more than someone who doesn't, simple as that.

 

[ZeeWolf]

In game communities aside, how can it work with things like Obsidian orbital where the community name the station after someone for making videos on YouTube . I sort of get what your saying but there will always be external communities and fan content built around any game and bringing some of it into the game directly might spoil immersion. I suppose Frontier could have an in-game link to community YouTube videos but I doubt it would get that much use.

 

[OrLoK]

Hello there

It *would* be nice to implement an ingame BBS of sorts, even better to be able to access *these* forums in game.

Yes, there *is* a disconnect IMHO, i'd like to see more interaction in the game even if its non game directly related.

Rdgs

LoK

 

[Gody]

I agree with OP,
Have some rep..

 

[Thetele]

Frontier should put this forum into game. Like on power play menu next to galnet news new icon for social forum/3301 version of facebook. It would be this forum ingame in real time. You could read forum and post. Maybe limit it for pp forums/events/yms and leave out other forum sections out.

 

[Marshall...]

But, these player groups were formed outside the game. They were not in any way led by the developers. Players took it upon themselves to form groups. You make it look like FD went out of their way to encourage the player groups to be excluded from the official forums. They are not, actually there is information on the groups forum here on the official forums.

Also community goals are announced here, and on GalNet too, if you want to participate, you don't have to go to reddit or any other source outside.

Coming to players who spent their own time to organize events, form and manage groups, building and running their own fansites, without expecting anything in return form the developers for their efforts. Why wouldn't be more important than someone who doesn't? They contribute more than someone who doesn't, simple as that.

Kinda true, but there are a number of player group owning minor factions ingame that are not listed as such anywhere in game - this is something ED have promoted.

 

[Arry]

Agreed; most of the things I know about the game, were gained form outside the game. There is an attitude from those with the insider knowledge, of almost contempt, towards those not in the know.

Most information is passed on by word of mouth; through forums, such as reddit etc. To me, it feels like this is what happens.

The developers, implement an idea a new form of game play. They inform the players that instigated the concept and just let them get on with it. The players in the know, then tell their mates and we the players; pick up the little scraps of information as it filters out, though said players chatting about it in forums etc.

 

[Badben]

But, these player groups were formed outside the game. They were not in any way led by the developers. Players took it upon themselves to form groups. You make it look like FD went out of their way to encourage the player groups to be excluded from the official forums. They are not, actually there is information on the groups forum here on the official forums.

Also community goals are announced here, and on GalNet too, if you want to participate, you don't have to go to reddit or any other source outside.

Coming to players who spent their own time to organize events, form and manage groups, building and running their own fansites, without expecting anything in return form the developers for their efforts. Why wouldn't be more important than someone who doesn't? They contribute more than someone who doesn't, simple as that.

I have absolutely nothing against people starting groups outside the game, all power to them, I just wish FD made it easier for me to access these player groups in game and not need to go out of game, OR made it possible to form groups in game with chat and so on, that would be ideal for me really, not excluding in any way other player organized groups however. You're right about the CG's, they are in the newsfeed, that's cool, that's exactly what I mean too, more IN GAME content. and that brings me to your other point, sure these things may be represented on these forums, but these forums are not in game, I'm reading this on firefox, not elite dangerous. and also I shouldn't make it seem like I'm upset that Obsidian Ant is represented in game, he put a lot of work in and should be rewarded, that's cool, deserves it. But what I mean is, actually SO many people have no idea about the connection between obsidian orbital and obsidian ant, they don't watch youtube videos of the game, and none of it is accessible in game. When I mean in game, I mean in the actual game, not including these forums or anything else official from FD.

 

[Caramel Clown]

I think it went a bit over the top when FD made mistake in newsletter about hardpoints of Corvette, and somehow players found clarification on reddit...Nuff said.

 

[Cynaqq]

Kinda true, but there are a number of player group owning minor factions ingame that are not listed as such anywhere in game - this is something ED have promoted.

I'm not saying the involvement of FD is perfect in every way. Of course there are things left out, neglected.

All I'm saying is, the notion of the OP that FD is relying on player generated content for their game to run is a fallacy.

Let me explain:

FD set out to create a structure for their players to enjoy themselves. It's in the description that the system of the game would be non-intrusive, letting the players write their own stories. Now, on this base structure, if people chose to form groups and organize events, using the structure not particularly designed for those exact outcomes, it's a bonus for FD, not foreseen reliance.

In return, FD are happy that their customers are enjoying themselves, even helping enrich other players' experience. They therefore let the players have something to call their own, as in appreciation for their welcome efforts.

Do they really deserve to be criticised with rude and condescending tones such as in the OP? OP states that they have neither the time nor the desire to put in the effort to seek out and get involved in community activities outside the game. Then they should be content with whatever activities they can participate in game. After all, that's what FD put on the market and the OP bought. Anything else is just bonus. No one charges extra for the participation in community efforts be them CGs, community group activities such as canonn or elite racing. They even have a new video series 'Educating Ed' where they try to push community groups from outside the game.

I'm sorry, I'm a little irritable because of all the entitlement and neediness rampant in half the threads on dangerous discussions.

 

[totha]

Do we want in game browser, really?

 

[Ziljan]

I am about as involved and informed about this game as a player can be (in a behind the scenes kind of way) and yet I sympathize with the OP. There is a level of the game at which my contribution will probably never be noticed either. And the amount of work I have to do to stay informed and involved, even at my obscure level, is like a second job.

Admittedly, this does add to the depth and realism of the game, and I am not sure FD could address this issue without making the game feel very unrealistically self congratulatory. I mean, we can't ALL have stations named after us, right? Nor should we. But it would be nice if the access to fame didn't feel arbitrary.

Right now, advances and recognition seem to be doled out based on public opinion and the whim of the moment, but very little attention is paid to genuine dispassionate merit. Obsidian Orbital being on the list coincided with a normal community member highlight sticky post, this time about Obsidian Ant. So if course that would dramatically skew the vote if FD puts their stamp on approval on a CMDR.

But what about the tireless laborers who actually push 1s and 0s around to build the pyramids brick by massive brick? Hauling and fighting and scrabbling over endless asteroids to contribute their bodies and their time to the tower of ants. For example, the ranking of people who contributed the most to the station CG by actual participation and material contribution is entirely absent. Even the top 10 CMDRs that contributed are completely invisible. Unknown, and unsung heroes. Meanwhile we name stations after people who reach the top 40%? It just feels... Arbitrary. Like nothing I should ever bother striving for.

 

[Cynaqq]

snip

Now, this is proper, thoughtful criticism. +1

 

[Badben]

Now, this is proper, thoughtful criticism. +1

See the difference between the amount of effort in this post and the OP?

geez man, cut me a break, if anyone is being condescending it's you. I thought I made it clear that I like player groups and community generated content, just that I wish it was more accessible in game. I don't want anyone punished, I don't want stations renamed, all I wish, is that all this extra content that makes Elite Dangerous so much better was a little more accessible to everyone from in the game and maybe not break immersion. I'm so sorry you didn't like my post, but I also feel like you very much misunderstood it.

 

[Hannalicious]

I shouldn't make it seem like I'm upset that Obsidian Ant is represented in game, he put a lot of work in and should be rewarded, that's cool, deserves it. But what I mean is, actually SO many people have no idea about the connection between obsidian orbital and obsidian ant, they don't watch youtube videos of the game, and none of it is accessible in game. When I mean in game, I mean in the actual game, not including these forums or anything else official from FD.

Who? What? O_O
I mean seriously, what are we even talking about here? I don't go to reddit, I don't even have a facebook account... But I browse the forums every now and then. Seems like I've missed something?

 

[Cynaqq]

geez man, cut me a break, if anyone is being condescending it's you. I thought I made it clear that I like player groups and community generated content, just that I wish it was more accessible in game. I don't want anyone punished, I don't want stations renamed, all I wish, is that all this extra content that makes Elite Dangerous so much better was a little more accessible to everyone from in the game and maybe not break immersion. I'm so sorry you didn't like my post, but I also feel like you very much misunderstood it.

I'm sorry, I didn't want to attack your person. I use OP as in Original Post, not original poster.

The tone of your first post is all I'm attacking but I went a bit overboard. I'm really sorry.