I’d like more commanders in the Open

Ziggy Stardust

Ziggy Stardust
Lennox Dantes said:
No one's dealing in absolute. Just you and the Sith. Your inability to construct an argument had now become amusing. Let me try and guide you.
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Just after I post I agree with some limitations and disagree with others, you state I am talking about absolutes. Stop talking bollox.

You have a game that has 40 Billion star systems. Amazing flight model and plenty of exciting ships to fly.

In spite of that. People just dont play this game. Why? What would give people a reason to stick around? What would you implement in Elite to make people WANT to log in?

I chose to use the most successful space game of all time as an example. A game that people willingly paid a monthly fee to play. An entirely different philosophy for sure.

Elite protects and prevents players from any sort of interaction. Unwanted yes. But meaningful as well. That's the trade off. This creates a demand for the developer to create for the player something to give them purpose. This has clearly been a lot of pressure on Fdev, as it is on any developer when it comes to end game content in an mmo. They are failing, as they all do. It's a losing battle. Developer driven content is always polarizing and underwhelming.

On the other hand, you have Eve Online. A game that has enjoyed decades of success. People paid a monthly fee to partake in this game on spite of its non existent flight model and completely bland universe. Why? Because you had the freedom to create. Your actions had purpose and your bad decisions cost you (just pixels). This loss drove demand which created a marketplace where real players could fill the needs of other real players.

Despite having very few, if any, developer driven content this game not only stood the test of time, but flourished. People created massive corporations who could align themselves into alliance. They controlled areas.of.space, worked together to fill consumer demand be manufacturing goods, mining corps rose up to fill the needs.of the manufacturer. And individual players could satisfy market needs as well.

One game had a rich a bustling player base. It was a game, that on the surface is much less interesting and exciting. But it was a game that lasted a long time despite the presence of loss and lack of engaging flight mechanics.
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If that's your idea of guiding me towards a good argument, I'd rather stay behind thank you very much. Just pointing at a successful game and going: should be like this, is not a very good argument, but I doubt I can convince you of that, so enjoy your delusion :)

If you like Eve so much, go play Eve.
Lennox Dantes said:
But I was an Eve player.
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Was eh?
 

Lennox Dantes

Lennox Dantes
Ian Skippy said:
I for one enjoy flying spaceships in VR with a HOTAS.



That is something you'll have to learn to live with, I fear.
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This is totally fine and exactly the answer I expected. If you want more. Elite is not the game for you.

Summary of elite. Enjoy the amazing flight model. Fly them around aimlessly. Log off.

That can keep about 5k ppl happy I'm sure.
 

Rat Catcher

Rat Catcher
Cheese Helmet said:
Maybe you can explain what content you find meaningful
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Of course I can...
But in the context of my comment, I am not the one requesting 'meaningful content' as I have expressed contentment with the game as it is. Sorry mate, I have no need to define something I already enjoy, don't you agree?
 

Lennox Dantes

Lennox Dantes
Ziggy Stardust said:
Just after I post I agree with some limitations and disagree with others, you state I am talking about absolutes. Stop talking bollox.


If that's your idea of guiding me towards a good argument, I'd rather stay behind thank you very much. Just pointing at a successful game and going: should be like this, is not a very good argument, but I doubt I can convince you of that, so enjoy your delusion :)

If you like Eve so much, go play Eve.

Was eh?
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As anticipated. Not a single argument posted. Not a single recommendation. Just argument analysis and personal observations. Now you're wasting my time.
 

Mohrgan

Mohrgan
The fact that E|D hsa no path to follow, no bread crumbs trails with shiny rewards at the end, used to be considered as a positive around here. If meaningful content means Achievement UI's and a 'You're the hero' story lines, I don't think the Devs intend for E|D to be that game. Try Star Trek Online for that. At least, that's where I go for that experience.
 

Lennox Dantes

Lennox Dantes
Wayland Pentonville said:
Of course I can...
But in the context of my comment, I am not the one requesting 'meaningful content' as I have expressed contentment with the game as it is. Sorry mate, I have no need to define something I already enjoy, don't you agree?
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He is totally content with flying his ship.arojnd in circles. That's cool. This debate is not.for you.
 

Lennox Dantes

Lennox Dantes
Mohrgan said:
The fact that E|D hsa no path to follow, no bread crumbs trails with shiny rewards at the end, used to be considered as a positive around here. If meaningful content means Achievement UI's and a 'You're the hero' story lines, I don't think the Devs intend for E|D to be that game. Try Star Trek Online for that. At least, that's where I go for that experience.
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Who is asking for that? The lack of an argument is really just proof that im right.

Fdev knows it. The just cant change things now. When SC is released their numbers will die off even more. Despite SC being a full fledged theme park.
 

Cheese Helmet

Cheese Helmet
Wayland Pentonville said:
Of course I can...
But in the context of my comment, I am not the one requesting 'meaningful content' as I have expressed contentment with the game as it is. Sorry mate, I have no need to define something I already enjoy, don't you agree?
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Considering he’s saying there’s not meaningful content, and once you dig into elite I typically agree, and you’re saying there is, knowing what you’re finding meaningful could maybe help find common ground in the discussion.
 

Lennox Dantes

Lennox Dantes
Ian Skippy said:
I am a simple man, I play games to have some aimless fun. If I want to do some constructive, purposeful and meaningful I'll log out and do something that does not involve computer games.
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Sounds great. Me too. But I would like some depth to my game. Checkers gets old real fast. I cant just keep playing checkers. Eventually I find something better. That's what happens to the player base.
 

Rat Catcher

Rat Catcher
Cheese Helmet said:
Considering he’s saying there’s not meaningful content, and once you dig into elite I typically agree, and you’re saying there is, knowing what you’re finding meaningful could maybe help find common ground in the discussion.
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Circular argument, old chap, I enjoy everything I do in the game, otherwise I wouldn't be doing it, surely?
If another player is unable to find contentment in the same game I am playing the issue resides with them, not with me.
The very same content is available to others (unless they do not have Horizons, of course) as is available to me...

Do you like Brussels Sprouts?
 

Ian Skippy

Ian Skippy
Lennox Dantes said:
Sounds great. Me too. But I would like some depth to my game. Checkers gets old real fast. I cant just keep playing checkers. Eventually I find something better. That's what happens to the player base.
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Don't worry, that game has been around for thousands of years. It'll survive without you.
 

Robert Maynard

Volunteer Moderator
Robert Maynard
Lennox Dantes said:
Sounds great. Me too. But I would like some depth to my game. Checkers gets old real fast. I cant just keep playing checkers. Eventually I find something better. That's what happens to the player base.
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It's what happens to some of the player-base, no doubt. It's not a reason to change the game that everyone else bought into something they didn't though.

..... because once change is on the agenda I expect that everyone will have their own opinion as to which direction the game should go - and it may not end up going in the same direction that the near departed players wanted it to go.
 

Lennox Dantes

Lennox Dantes
Wayland Pentonville said:
Circular argument, old chap, I enjoy everything I do in the game, otherwise I wouldn't be doing it, surely?
If another player is unable to find contentment in the same game I am playing the issue resides with them, not with me.
The very same content is available to others (unless they do not have Horizons, of course) as is available to me...

Do you like Brussels Sprouts?
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Then Elite can continue to enjoy a dwindling player base that grows more and more anxious. No worries for me. Once quarantine ends I surely wont bother with it. I can usually play for a month at a time. This is the exact amount of time it takes me to get over the cool spaceships.
 

Cheese Helmet

Cheese Helmet
Wayland Pentonville said:
Circular argument, old chap, I enjoy everything I do in the game, otherwise I wouldn't be doing it, surely?
If another player is unable to find contentment in the same game I am playing the issue resides with them, not with me.
The very same content is available to others (unless they do not have Horizons, of course) as is available to me...

Do you like Brussels Sprouts?
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Are you purposely misunderstanding?

it’s a simple question. Everyone agrees the galaxy is cool and the ships are cool. What content outside those two things do you think is done well? Or to put it another way, if you wanted to sell a new playeron elite in hopes they too play 2k hours, what are you showing them?
 
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