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The idea has potential, but I believe it's still avoiding the main issue.
If Combat Logging is a bad thing. Then why is it okay to attack a player faction without being seen?
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The idea has potential, but I believe it's still avoiding the main issue.
Robert Maynard
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Given Sandro's investigative Flash Topic, and the fact that PowerPlay is the only feature being considered for such a change, that may be what Frontier might do. I expect they know exactly how many Solo / PG players would be affected by such a change but consider that it would be "worth it" from the perspective of the game as a whole as it would offer a mode differentiated feature aimed at providing "meaningful" PvP.
Whether they will do it and, even if they do, whether it will be successful remain unknowns at this time.
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If by 'main issue' you mean the fact that some people want to be able to shoot anyone who they consider to be 'on the other team', then yeah, it's avoiding it.
Quite deliberately.
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It's not OK. People should man up and operate in open when operating against other players.
Why exactly?
I just checked the minimum system requirements for the game and it says nothing about testosterone levels.
People should not confuse a game as a medium where people can "man up".
This might sound completely bonkers, but some people do not measure their manliness by the way they play a game. A game. Pixel spaceships, remember? Some people actually play them to enjoy themselves.
Ah, the old players should be real men... in a computer game.
'Today I manned up and played a computer game'.
That opening line is going to be a winner. I feel it.
Not to mention that some of them are not men, so Cowgirl up? um Woman up?
Nah it could be that some folks should just let everyone else play the game the way they want.
Combat logging (ungraceful exit) is determined by FDev to be an exploit and not a good thing.
Playing the game in a mode other than Open is how the game was designed so what is the issue?
If I recall correctly SDC won a BGS war against the Mobius PNF (not to be confused with the PG) from open so it seems to be pretty working pretty well. Sun Tzu would be proud!
Nah it could be that some folks should just let everyone else play the game the way they want.
Combat logging (ungraceful exit) is determined by FDev to be an exploit and not a good thing.
Playing the game in a mode other than Open is how the game was designed so what is the issue?
If I recall correctly SDC won a BGS war against the Mobius PNF (not to be confused with the PG) from open so it seems to be pretty working pretty well. Sun Tzu would be proud!
I think the sense of ownership is stretched with the current state of the game.
The factions can be player named, but they aren’t really owned. Factions operate the same in the simulation regardless of where the name came from. The naming by players seemed more like a nice treat by FD. Some players put tons of time into the sense of “ownership” which is fine, but here aren’t really mechanics specific to that style of play.
So currently mode choice works the same for all factions linked to the BGS, player and dev names are just labels. Nobody’s saying it’s OK to attack a player faction. They just work like every faction, because that’s how the game was designed before players tried to make it into something more.
Once true ownership with assets and mechanics are introduced, I think the OPEN/SOLO will really need a serious evolution. Perhaps with Squadrons?
The factions can be player named, but they aren’t really owned. Factions operate the same in the simulation regardless of where the name came from. The naming by players seemed more like a nice treat by FD. Some players put tons of time into the sense of “ownership” which is fine, but here aren’t really mechanics specific to that style of play.
So currently mode choice works the same for all factions linked to the BGS, player and dev names are just labels. Nobody’s saying it’s OK to attack a player faction. They just work like every faction, because that’s how the game was designed before players tried to make it into something more.
Once true ownership with assets and mechanics are introduced, I think the OPEN/SOLO will really need a serious evolution. Perhaps with Squadrons?
If this is what these people want...then why aren't they screaming for a PVP bucket in the BGS? THAT'S the only way to make this work for the PVP people. This way, they can at least have their cake (i.e. having shooting someone in the face ACTUALLY mean something).
I've been saying this for a looooong time now.
There's even a suggestion for how it could work (in PP) on the previous page - but somebody derailed the discussion by using the words 'man up'.
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Good point Vin +Rep
Robert Maynard
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While player groups can have Factions inserted into the game, they are as mentioned, treated by the game just the same as NPC Factions - with no control whatsoever over who can become allied with them, etc..
Indeed.
Some players want to change the game to suit their preferences - however not all players want the same thing.
Given that Frontier are introducing Squadrons, not simply allowing players to exert control over Factions, that suggests that they will be separate features - with the consequence that it is unlikely, in my opinion, that Squadrons will control anything other than their list of members / ranks (and, in time, their Fleet Carrier, if and when that has been introduced).
Yeah, that's what is known as compromise.. not something that is big around here I admit. Very well.. No defending in private groups/solo. Better?
Robert Maynard
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Really?
That's at least as absurd as suggesting that playing a video game, in the comfort and safety of their preferred gaming environment, requires "bravery".
It's a video game - played for "fun", not a rite of passage.
Basically useless stuff which everyone is waiting for. I dont be even surprised.
But at least in chess you can see your opponent and what they're doing right?
Currently this is the chess board in Elite dangerous:
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