If I wanted a 'radio-tuning' game I would have rather bought an old radio.

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Likewise. It’s quite amusing watching them come up with ever increasingly delusional means of ignoring direct evidence that the ADS is gone for good.

One direct and very clear “no” isn’t enough, so how many does it take? Two? Three? Four or more, from different devs? Does Braben have to stand on the Pope’s balcony and proclaim it to the masses?

We've been provided with a direct and clear 'no' to a question we weren't asking. Maybe the second one will actually be relevant to the discussion.
 
Lol where is the explicit no in that response about this thread? They didnt found a solution to make aspects of the old ads to bolt on the new mini game, in order to reveal the system map in the honk.
 
I'm sorry, but FDev made no explicit statement that they have considered maintaining the FSS and ADS in parallel - which (after the OPs rant) is what this thread has been about.

Weak man. That OP said he doesnt like the FSS, and wants the ADS. FD said they thought about it and there is no way to give him what he wants. "Yeah, but maybe they didn't consider putting the ADS back?" is bizarre.

OP: "I dont like the new menu, I prefer the pizza you used to serve!"
FD: "We gave it some thought, but we cant offer you what you want without changing the direction we want our restaurant to go in. Sorry, but no."
You:"Well, maybe they havent considered putting pizza back on the menu?"

*sigh*
 
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The "Are we there yet" approach hasn't worked for offlinegaters or compulsory PVP'ers and they've been going for four years. So don't hold your breath.


Can you think up anymore strawmen? People are not asking for something we've never had. They're asking for the reinstatement of something that was scrapped, without so much as a by your leave, that we've built play styles around since release. If FDev actually played their own game they would've known that it wasn't all about the credits.

The inference is that because the explorer crowd are nowhere near as big or vociferous as the pew-pew lobby FDev thought they could shaft us and to hell with it.
 
What you strangely continue to call an oversight was, as the quote makes crystal clear, a deliberate design decision, after FDev already considered the consequences. There was no changing their minds from the get-go.

A cursory flip-through of this thread should show them that their decision is justified, as only a tiny group of rather irate players is unwilling to adapt. They aren’t going to go back and reverse that decision. They have no profitable reason to do so.

You will not be surprised to learn that this has come up before, I even made a video demonstrating the compatibility:

Emulating the ADS in 3.3

The video shows me entering a system that is new to me but that has been fully tagged already by other players. This allows either method to be used interchangeably. The fitting of the ADS module would allow this same behaviour in any untagged or partially tagged system too. No mechanical or gameplay obstacles, the modules (personally I only want the ADS but the logic applies to all three) just need to be put back into outfitting so players can choose to buy & fit them if they want to. Really they didn't need to be removed.
 
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Its definately sad that FD failed to take on board the effort and just the way explorers got invested in the game. The endless search was for me the best gameplay ED had to offer. An aquired taste admittedly.
 
Weak man. That OP said he doesnt like the FSS, and wants the ADS. FD said they thought about it and there is no way to give him what he wants. "Yeah, but maybe they didn't consider putting the ADS back?" is bizarre.

OP: "I dont like the new menu, I prefer the pizza you used to serve!"
FD: "We gave it some thought, but we cant offer you what you want without changing the direction we want our restaurant to go in. Sorry, but no."
You:"Well, maybe they havent considered putting pizza back on the menu?"

*sigh*

“Well, if not pizza then how about a flatbread topped with a red sauce, meats, vegetables and cheese, baked in an oven?”

Sound familiar?

Edit: shoot, he managed to stuff that link in here first.
 
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Ugh. Okay, you cost me 10 minutes of my life. You better appreciate this. :p

Sorry to drop in on the "i was right and you were wrong" conversation you're having with riverside over there, but your entire point is invalid because..

Frontier have already done what everyone has been suggesting for combat players in the bubble.

Its easy to get sidetracked on words and quotes, but how could you ignore functionality frontier has currently built as part of the fss... but only extended to a chosen player demographic, not all.

If the exploration mechanics functioned as they do in the bubble outside the bubble (not conditionally but in practice) im sure everyone would be happy.


Just in case.. you must see that if you never mapped the fss button and stayed in the bubble, there would be zero impact on your gameplay. You can even take full advantage of every other feature that came with the exploration changes without ever.. turning the fss on. Im pretty sure frontier didn't say "no".

EDIT: I wish frontier were brave enough to fully implement the fss to all players. I've read alot of valid feedback on how awesome it is.. why is there a need to exempt the majority of players from such a great system? People need to be forced to use it as with former explorers!
 
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The sad thing is if FD did post in this thread categorically stating that the ADS is dead and will never be resurected it wouldn't change a thing. Some would just ignore what FD says, some would still post the same arguments, some would probably call FD liars. Would such a statement stop this and future threads - hell no.

Want an example: FD have stated they won't get rid of Solo and PG modes, that the BGS can be played in all three. Yet nearly every week we get the same thread popping up, make everying Open Only, no matter how many times FD tells them it isn't going to happen.
 
You will not be surprised to learn that this has come up before, I even made a video demonstrating the compatibility:

Emulating the ADS in 3.3

The video shows me entering a system that is new to me but that has been fully tagged already by other players. This allows either method to be used interchangeably. The fitting of the ADS module would allow this same behaviour in any untagged or partially tagged system too. No mechanical or gameplay obstacles, the modules (personally I only want the ADS but the logic applies to all three) just need to be put back into outfitting so players can choose to buy & fit them if they want to. Really they didn't need to be removed.

It doesnt matter that YOU think it is perfectly fine, FD told you it is not. You can repeat how you think your opinion is the bestest opinion in the world, but it doesnt change anything.
 
Sorry to drop in on the "i was right and you were wrong" conversation you're having with riverside over there, but your entire point is invalid because..

My entire point is not invalid, it is a factual observation. Dude said he didnt like the FSS and preferred the ADS. FD said they considered it but decided against it. End of story. Feel free to have opinions about reality, I am just pointing out what happened to counter those who keep insisting FD is ignoring you lot. They didnt, you just dont like what they said. :)
 
It doesnt matter that YOU think it is perfectly fine, FD told you it is not. You can repeat how you think your opinion is the bestest opinion in the world, but it doesnt change anything.

That video isn't opinion Ian, it is a citation of supporting evidence. Very little of what I am saying is opinion.
 
My entire point is not invalid, it is a factual observation. Dude said he didnt like the FSS and preferred the ADS. FD said they considered it but decided against it. End of story. Feel free to have opinions about reality, I am just pointing out what happened to counter those who keep insisting FD is ignoring you lot. They didnt, you just dont like what they said. :)

Oh. My mistake, please carry on and apologies. :) Feel free to reply to my topic when you guys are done :)
 
Forget immersion, feel free. I like the way that one word was focused on.

Can you not see just how incredibly lame the fss is? Point target at blob and twiddle ‘till it lights up.

You guys are happy with this?!

If so then you clearly have a higher tolerence for rubbish than I.

How is that worse or lamer than just leaning on the horn as you go screaming through.
[haha]
 
Lol where is the explicit no in that response about this thread? They didnt found a solution to make aspects of the old ads to bolt on the new mini game, in order to reveal the system map in the honk.

Those goalposts look heavy, remember to lift with your knees.
 
Got a citation for that FDev quote? You've brought it up several times now & I can't find anything like that posted after the beta was changed & the justification for removing the ADS was removed.

No one is posting it because it's a comment in the middle of a video. It's easy enough to find - the first video where the FSS was shown.

[Edit: I stand corrected by Ian's post]
 
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"Why are only miners forced to use mining gear? If mining is so awesome, everyone should be forced to do it! See, I proved FD knows mining is terrible!"

[haha]

You gotta ask frontier that.. im pretty certain during beta people were asking for mining gear to effect ships.. for fun then self defense. No idea why you can't.

Actually you bring up a really good point. Both mining and exploration changes were done with completely different attitudes. Mining took a live and let live approach and amazingly the feedback earned has been exclusively positive.

Exploration has landed with both insane opposites of not required and force fed at the same time, and there wow there are issues. Not just from the regulars but from dozens of people who have quickly dropped by and left their feedback.

I can't imagine how frontier built 2 systems with such drastically different attitudes (i know they probably didn't care and thats just how it turned out).
 
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