If you think ED's too difficult...
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NGE? Please God no!
Player since Original elite, 62 yrs
I,m finding it tough, have managed to unlock all scenareos but am struggling in the Beta everytime I make a small amount of money, someone blowes me to kingdom come and I have to restart. Begining to regret being a Backer now, as I am struggling.Thought I was getting the hang of it too.
Player since Original elite, 62 yrs
CMDR RAYRAY
I,m finding it tough, have managed to unlock all scenareos but am struggling in the Beta everytime I make a small amount of money, someone blowes me to kingdom come and I have to restart. Begining to regret being a Backer now, as I am struggling.Thought I was getting the hang of it too.
CMDR RAYRAY
I,m finding it tough, have managed to unlock all scenareos but am struggling in the Beta everytime I make a small amount of money, someone blowes me to kingdom come and I have to restart. Begining to regret being a Backer now, as I am struggling.Thought I was getting the hang of it too.
For you perhaps ...
Don't stress too much .. once the grouping system is implemented you will be able to enjoy the online version of ED with friends you make online, people you know, or just play by yourself. You will get the hang of it - it's just that some people take to it quicker and therefore have an advantage (for now
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It's impossible to say how easy or difficult it is until more of the game is in place and it doesn't have so many network problems -- I'd probably be ruler of the entire galaxy by now if it didn't get stuck on spinning orange spaceships!
I think there's an enormous difficulty spike when you first start playing. So many controls to learn, some unintuitive menu choices etc... but that once you understand the controls it's no harder than anything else.
Perhaps the thing that makes ELITE seem a bit odd to modern eyes is that it does everything in reverse -- you start off overwhelmed and gradually the game gets easier and easier.
I think there's an enormous difficulty spike when you first start playing. So many controls to learn, some unintuitive menu choices etc... but that once you understand the controls it's no harder than anything else.
Perhaps the thing that makes ELITE seem a bit odd to modern eyes is that it does everything in reverse -- you start off overwhelmed and gradually the game gets easier and easier.
Having watched half a dozen youtube clips on how to fly and several of the Sidewinder mission (note I've only found alpha clips which I did succeed at) I still can't get past the 3rd combat scenario. I'm really happy for those of you than can but I feel I've wasted a shed load of money and just now wish I could give back the game in return for my money. ED can keep the interest
To compare the difficulty of this version to the original on the BBC is obviously what everyone will do. But in terms of control there is a huge difference, on the BBC I used the old analogue joystick, I could go left/right up/down and shoot. There were a few keys for making me go faster or slower and that was about it. I have the Thrustmaster HOTAS and some rudder pedals and I've not got enough axis to cover all the options, the control of this game is completely different.
Sadly I'm not one of the blessed people with great hand / eye coordination, I find it hard enough to type with 2 fingers yet even then I was still able to achieve Elite on the original, now I feel like I should crawl under my stone and forget I ever dreamed of a remake.
To compare the difficulty of this version to the original on the BBC is obviously what everyone will do. But in terms of control there is a huge difference, on the BBC I used the old analogue joystick, I could go left/right up/down and shoot. There were a few keys for making me go faster or slower and that was about it. I have the Thrustmaster HOTAS and some rudder pedals and I've not got enough axis to cover all the options, the control of this game is completely different.
Sadly I'm not one of the blessed people with great hand / eye coordination, I find it hard enough to type with 2 fingers yet even then I was still able to achieve Elite on the original, now I feel like I should crawl under my stone and forget I ever dreamed of a remake.
Too Hard...
As a new Beta player, I have/still am struggling to come to terms with how steep the learning curve is. Obviously I'm quite committed to the game otherwise I wouldn't be here in Beta.
I struggle to generate any cash, and combat is still a bit... er... hit and miss.
That said, I know this is how it is. I remember the original Elite, and I remember how everyone struggled with docking then (and that was just going through the door...). I've persevered, and apart from the occasional hiccough, can get to place to place without crashing into things
People will be upset about not being able to kill from day 1. Let them be. It's not the (only) point of the game, and they will need to try hard to succeed
I'd disagree a little with how to get started. I couldn't get past the 3rd combat scenario until I'd actually been in the multiplayer and flying for a bit. I then jumped through the next 4 scenarios without issue. Obviously, a docking scenario (perhaps with a "driving instructor" approach?) might be a good plan for the final release to get people over that hump.
And what about some cargo insurance? Say 5% of the current load? That'll help people get off the mark when they keep being jumped by things with shields so big they can't scratch them with their pulse laser and their shaky pilot skills
As a new Beta player, I have/still am struggling to come to terms with how steep the learning curve is. Obviously I'm quite committed to the game otherwise I wouldn't be here in Beta.
I struggle to generate any cash, and combat is still a bit... er... hit and miss.
That said, I know this is how it is. I remember the original Elite, and I remember how everyone struggled with docking then (and that was just going through the door...). I've persevered, and apart from the occasional hiccough, can get to place to place without crashing into things
People will be upset about not being able to kill from day 1. Let them be. It's not the (only) point of the game, and they will need to try hard to succeed
I'd disagree a little with how to get started. I couldn't get past the 3rd combat scenario until I'd actually been in the multiplayer and flying for a bit. I then jumped through the next 4 scenarios without issue. Obviously, a docking scenario (perhaps with a "driving instructor" approach?) might be a good plan for the final release to get people over that hump.
And what about some cargo insurance? Say 5% of the current load? That'll help people get off the mark when they keep being jumped by things with shields so big they can't scratch them with their pulse laser and their shaky pilot skills
Yeah I'm stuck on the 3rd scenario. Keep playing it and keep getting owned. I think I took his shields downs once or twice, but still couldn't finish him off.
I don't think the difficulty should be changed, so I agree with the OP. It needs to be challenging enough to be a game of skill not grind. Would be nice to have a couple of intermediary level scenarios to warm into though... it seems like bit of a big jump between scenario 2 and 3.
3rd scenario used to be much easier, I wouldn't be surprised if the difficulty is toned down a notch tomorrow (prem Beta 2).
Plus considering what OP says there will be docking computers and other little tidbits that will make your game a bit more 'easy'. So to reiterate OPs comments - if you are having trouble playing the game in current state wait until the game is at least in GAMMA, or the end of main Beta and then try it again. Don't give up though.
I actually find docking surprisingly easy - I think a lot of the people having docking problems aren't having issues with the *actual* docking procedure, they're having issues with the various bugs that surround it (constant pad reassignments, request timeouts, and the netcode issues that case ship jumping)
Is it me or many complains about docking actually is complains about bugs with docking? Because docking itself is very easy. However, if instance get borked, it gets frustrating very very fast.
Also about difficulty of the game - I think I have seen way too much complains about not unfinished game. People need to learn how to use DDF archive, posting history of devs and forum search to lookup information before complaining. If you just want to vent frustrations, you won't get much love here.
Also about difficulty of the game - I think I have seen way too much complains about not unfinished game. People need to learn how to use DDF archive, posting history of devs and forum search to lookup information before complaining. If you just want to vent frustrations, you won't get much love here.
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I think the only true valid issue about game difficulty is that the vast majority of beta backers had little to no experience of the game as it currently stands, whereas alpha backers had been playing for several months. So when PB kicked off, you had a group of commanders who were already experienced, and a much larger group who were wet behind the ears., the only practice being the alpha 1.1 combat missions. So it was probably to be expected that we'd see a lot of "Ooof, docking's a bit hard, isn't it?" comments, perhaps not knowing the issues they were having were the result of bugs, being then met by "Whaddya mean docking's hard?!? Easy peasy, it is!"
Notice how now, one month on, there are much fewer people complaining about the game's difficulty? Instead, the common complaint is the whole griefing v carebear nonsense. Beta backers have been busy improving their skills, and everyone is trying to eke out a living by grinding NPCs, trading, or scooping. Meanwhile, a small minority of alpha backers (it *SEEMS*) are bored with the whole thing as it currently stands, having already been there and done that, and are instead choosing to entertain themselves via... "creative testing".
Also just noticed the OP has been banned. Was wondering about the fact that the forums seemed a friendlier place of late...
Notice how now, one month on, there are much fewer people complaining about the game's difficulty? Instead, the common complaint is the whole griefing v carebear nonsense. Beta backers have been busy improving their skills, and everyone is trying to eke out a living by grinding NPCs, trading, or scooping. Meanwhile, a small minority of alpha backers (it *SEEMS*) are bored with the whole thing as it currently stands, having already been there and done that, and are instead choosing to entertain themselves via... "creative testing".
Also just noticed the OP has been banned. Was wondering about the fact that the forums seemed a friendlier place of late...
Has been for a while. Not too surprising if you look at the general tone of her posts.
Moderator, what was the point of the OP making this thread? You posted on it and it is still here.
I read the OP's bashing rant and do not see the point. The Op has not posted any help threads describing any game mechanic in detail helping any gamers, so why is the Op using the excuse of "The learning curve"? and where is the OP's solution? Not to play a game because the OP is tired of reading how hard a game is to some folks?
Either make suggestions to others on how to accomplish something, PM and teach them, or simply do not put your fingers on the keyboard OP. And "Practice makes perfect" is not a valid teaching tool or argument in support.
Teach, do not discredit as you did in your post OP. Your post OP simply points out one very bad aspect of your character. Your dripping attempt at the end with "lets all hug" is disingenuous.
I read the OP's bashing rant and do not see the point. The Op has not posted any help threads describing any game mechanic in detail helping any gamers, so why is the Op using the excuse of "The learning curve"? and where is the OP's solution? Not to play a game because the OP is tired of reading how hard a game is to some folks?
Either make suggestions to others on how to accomplish something, PM and teach them, or simply do not put your fingers on the keyboard OP. And "Practice makes perfect" is not a valid teaching tool or argument in support.
Teach, do not discredit as you did in your post OP. Your post OP simply points out one very bad aspect of your character. Your dripping attempt at the end with "lets all hug" is disingenuous.
Ironically, when I was responding to her, she was accusing everyone else of being the issue, creating conflict, and accusing everyone of sexism.
Ah well, onwards we go to PB2...
I'll trim down my ignore list, then! A wonderful invention.