IGN's 25 PC Games to Play in 2014 - No ED?
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Okay new theory, new rant. Please don't get mad, I do want to step on your toes but only ever so lightly
Elite Dangerous could be the MMO for introverts. Introvert doesn't mean they don't want to be social or don't want to play online, they just don't want to be part of a clan. They want to meet other players, have fun and meaningful encounters, chat with them. Introverts just don't get off on being part of a bunch of testosterone locked meatheads. They dislike "guild drama" but are often the cause of it. They can live with single player only, but they'd welcome MMO gameplay - as long as it's the equivalent of old farts sitting in an exclusive 18th century gentlemans club
But is this mutually exclusive? I don't think so. Why should it? The universe is a big place.
you need to check the definition of 'introvert'
clans are not a modern idea... they have existed in online games as long as i have been playing them....30 years.
sc is one thing ed is another. there is no rational reason why the 2 can't coexist.
no it dosn't
so what? there is plenty of time for that...
wow players looking for something new instead of the same old same old.... yet you are advocating clans which is just more of the same old same old.
yes talk is cheap and, generally, worthless unless you have something to back it up with.
because it isnt necessary.... the fluff dosn't amount to anything. what ed has does not need fluff, though i appreciate that some people do.
I agree ED is more likely to attract introverts, while SC is more likely to attract extraverts. But by definition, extraverts like being advertised at, while introverts prefer something they can unwrap at their own pace. Your idea of beefing up the wiki's fiction section could work well there - I suspect a lot of people would follow you if you made a start.
Having said that, rushing to provide answers (even to good questions) will just lead to unattractive answers sold in an unattractive way. For example, you seem to have the impression people are flatly opposed to team play, when actually most people are just refusing to engage with a debate haphazardly framed as "guilds, yay or nay?". Guilds originally emerged from play in a very different setting, so a lot of us are waiting to see how multiplayer combat works, and especially what difference the huge universe makes, before talking about what mechanics would be useful. Again, this is about introverts wanting to unwrap an idea at their own pace.
Hopefully the authors will be able to start talking about cultures in Elite as the books wend their way to market. Allen's dropped some big hints about the evolution of Lavian society, but you need to do your homework to get them. Drew Wagar's book excerpt at LaveCon gave a real sense of galactic politics, but was rather short (big tease that he is). And I suspect The Garry Pirate Clan are only telling us half the story. Some more along those lines would be very welcome, and once again a wiki might be a good place to collect the information.
Cute furry pets are also an interesting question. Trumbles have been heavily hinted, so you may well get your wish. But again, right now it's all winks and nods and up to us to unwrap the idea.
One last thing, a classic conundrum - new people to any topic generally don't want to write things up, because they feel like they don't know the answers; people that know it like the back of their hand generally don't want to write things up, because they can't remember what's obvious and what's news any more. That makes people like yourself the best placed to write content - just getting a handle on the topic, but still able to speak about the topic in the language of a newbie. So writing up wiki pages talking about cultures and creatures could be something you're uniquely well placed to do!
Again, please provide a reference. You failed to last time, when I posted links to what they actually said - I suspect because you simply don't have any and are making assumptions based on your own wishful thinking. If you're going to keep saying the same thing, give us a source because the sources I can find do not say what you're continually repeating. I'll happily admit I'm wrong if you can provide a source.
To repeat what they actually said (that I can recall) -
Please note, no mention of this being planned for an expansion, but only that it may be expanded on.
From this thread.
PCGAMER UK did a 'games of 2014' article. It mentioned both SC and ED. SC got a two page spread while ED got a quarter page.
At the time of press in SC you could walk around a hanger and dream about what ship you want. It predicts a full game (private release) by the end of the year and a public release in the middle of 2015.
The article stated that ED will be like the elite of old, but with your mates. Simple and true. It did not mention that ED has a playable alpha.
It can only be the glossy, highly developed wesite of SC, that makes it look like it's been around for years, that has attracted all those 300,000 residents. Personally I would prefer a good game soon rather than a good website now.
I backed ED over a year ago but deliberately avoided these forums until recently because I didn't want to think about it. I don't want to dream, I don't want anticipation, I hate waiting, I just want the game.
The players will come when there is something to play and if the game is good they will come in their many, many hundreds of thousands.
At the time of press in SC you could walk around a hanger and dream about what ship you want. It predicts a full game (private release) by the end of the year and a public release in the middle of 2015.
The article stated that ED will be like the elite of old, but with your mates. Simple and true. It did not mention that ED has a playable alpha.
It can only be the glossy, highly developed wesite of SC, that makes it look like it's been around for years, that has attracted all those 300,000 residents. Personally I would prefer a good game soon rather than a good website now.
I backed ED over a year ago but deliberately avoided these forums until recently because I didn't want to think about it. I don't want to dream, I don't want anticipation, I hate waiting, I just want the game.
The players will come when there is something to play and if the game is good they will come in their many, many hundreds of thousands.
This guy gets it. +1 and welcome to the forums.
*goes off to sleep with a prodigy song twisting around his mind*.
The game will market itself if it's good (see DOTA, Minecraft, DayZ, etc.) Heavy marketing is for crappy games that can't sell on their own merit (see EA). If it's good the sites that tend to cover indy games will write about it and it will spread like wildfire. I would much prefer FD spend their funds on dev & QA than marketing.
As for concerns about what kinds of players will show up - the game will dictate that. If it has depth it will attract players with depth and keep them. If it's dumbed down in an attempt to appeal to a wider audience (which IMO does NOT work), it will probably get some iPad gamers for a few months and die out.
Seems to me FD is doing exactly the right thing. They're focusing on making a great game and letting the rest take care of itself, because it will.
As for concerns about what kinds of players will show up - the game will dictate that. If it has depth it will attract players with depth and keep them. If it's dumbed down in an attempt to appeal to a wider audience (which IMO does NOT work), it will probably get some iPad gamers for a few months and die out.
Seems to me FD is doing exactly the right thing. They're focusing on making a great game and letting the rest take care of itself, because it will.
I agree. It's fast getting to the point where I don't care if hundreds of thousands / millions of players love it. It's quickly becoming all I care about is if I love it.
We already know what Elite IS and ISN'T. Shall we put trying to change it on hold for at least until the expansions are released... THEN get into adding gameplay?
I'd think that would be a wise course of action. The game will be what it is, and players will have to adjust to it. I see no problem with that at all, it may decrease the numbers of "special snowflakes" demanding that things always be the way they want them, to fit into their limited abilities to understand and execute.
I will however, restart the countdown for a snivelling guildie to appear and whine about Elite not having built-in support for their gang, crafting, exclusive content for their very own gang, pets, fast travel, respawning bosses, an auction hall and trophies to adorn their very own home space station.
Shall we say, 45 minutes?
<grabs a beer and popcorn>
I will however, restart the countdown for a snivelling guildie to appear and whine about Elite not having built-in support for their gang, crafting, exclusive content for their very own gang, pets, fast travel, respawning bosses, an auction hall and trophies to adorn their very own home space station.
Shall we say, 45 minutes?
<grabs a beer and popcorn>
You're right Yaffle; the game should be further along in development before the 'hype' machine is switched on. Were not SC; and its better that we spend our time on E
's development right now.Good Tinman!!How many people beyond the ones who are already backing the game looks at these Dev diaries or read the DDF documents? My point is that beyond combat (and the flight model) nothing has really been shown in terms of actual gameplay. Things like the size of the game world hasn't been shown because the starmap and travel mechanism hasn't been ready for "prime time". This is however coming soon due too the upcoming builds of the alpha after MP and this is going to transform ED from "just another space shooter" into something quite a bit more in the eyes of the general public.
There is a difference between talking about features and saying:
"This is how it works and looks in our game right now and if you are interested you can go and download it over here!"
I have a strong feeling that a huge number of Star Citizen backers are going to come over when they eventually will see actual gameplay showing off all the different aspects of ED. Especially since they are going to have a huge craving for this type of game while waiting for SC. At least during later stages (second Beta/Gamma) when the price barrier is going to be pretty low.
It's all a very clever trap by FD/DB. Let someone else invest a lot of effort into hyping people up about space sims and then beat them to the punch.
You're right Juniper; It does matter from a marketing perspective! We don't need player dissatisfaction after purchase.
Tsk...tsk; blibbka, you're on a distinguished road. I agree.
I'm not concerned how Frontier choose to market the game. If they want to launch quietly and build up over time, then more power to them.
Thebraben basically invented this genre, and unlike other oldie legends, wasn't trying to restart his career on Kickstarter. He has been running a video game company this whole time. He knows what he is doing.
So RSI are doing Star Citizen with the full glitz and glamour push. No prob there either....
though it is going to be fun at launch time (and many people on the SC forum have also pointed this out) when the grand hordes of deluded masses go mental with nerdrage that it is in fact just a video game and not an all inclusive 2nd life in the future.
Thebraben basically invented this genre, and unlike other oldie legends, wasn't trying to restart his career on Kickstarter. He has been running a video game company this whole time. He knows what he is doing.
So RSI are doing Star Citizen with the full glitz and glamour push. No prob there either....
though it is going to be fun at launch time (and many people on the SC forum have also pointed this out) when the grand hordes of deluded masses go mental with nerdrage that it is in fact just a video game and not an all inclusive 2nd life in the future.
Er.. they must have added it to the list 'cos it's above Star Citizen.
EDIT- oops wrong list. Damn tabs!
EDIT- oops wrong list. Damn tabs!
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Jenner
I wish I was English like my hero Tj.
List looks the same to me. ??
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Angry Joe recently made his list of top 20 games of 2014. Interestingly Elite: Dangerous, a 2014 title is not included in the list; its spot having been mysteriously taken by a 2015 title (despite it being a top 20 of 2014 list!), which also happens to be a space sim. Guess which?
Linky: http://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=g-subs-u&v=SZOpaMmICCc
Linky: http://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=g-subs-u&v=SZOpaMmICCc
