Or you can do this in 2 hours by trading. YES trading has to make more money than anything else, but the gap is way too BIG at the moment.
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Imbalance of Progress in Elite Dangerous
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Or you can do this in 2 hours by trading. YES trading has to make more money than anything else, but the gap is way too BIG at the moment.
Unless, of course, FD decide to price the next dedicated fighter at say.... 20 mil before upgrades.
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this is brilliant.
You have a large benefit from having a bigger ship in trading. for other roles, you don't. That's the difference. When you needlessly bounty hunt in an anaconda, then it's your own personal decision. I do bounty hunting in my multi-role Cobra - it works pretty well.
Except that it isn't spellbooks but something you don't need as a mage - e.g. grinding to built a bigger house.
It's kind of strange, I encounter that attitude irl pretty often: People don't want to do what brings them most money, but then they complain that when doing only what they would like to - that they don't have as much as others.
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Actually I think they would much rather be the owner of a shipping company - if they had the option. My point is, anyone in elite that owns a spaceship HAS that option, so why pirate?
And that's the problem.
Notoriety could for example give you a bonus when redeeming your vouchers or selling your stolen cargo by a X factor, giving you bigger profit, the bigger your notoriety is.
This would keep low level "poorly" paid, but the more you do it, the better payouts and easier to keep up with more expensive ships.
you're absolutely right! every body who doesn't trade should be PERFECTLY happy getting to that mid tier ship and never being able to afford anything bigger or prettyer.. there's NO reason they should expect to have any logical progression in the game. that sort of thing is only for you traders and everybody else should be happy with what they have.
It's different when it's a game, this isn't real life. This is being marketed as a space combat game and people are willing to "grind" the combat part because it's fun. Noone's saying make every eagle kill a 1mil bounty people are saying they need options for their career to progress so they feel like they're progressing.
Sticking with the skyrim analogy you're pretty much saying people should stick with flames and not try any of the other spells because you don't need them. If this is the case in elite why do they even have huge hardpoints and guns on the big ships if combat players aren't going to use them? If it's only the traders getting the "bigger houses" then remove all hardpoints from the big ships and only add bigger shields and counter measures as that's all the trading careers require.
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Great, now I need a new sarcasm-detector...
I'd like to see a link between warzones and combat profit. Here's how i would do it.
First, your bonus scales with your rank in a chosen faction. 5-50% bonus depending on rank. No bonus if you aren't ranked.
Second, you get an additional 25% per kill in high intensity zones.
Third, you get another 10% bonus for fighting against an enemy capital ship. No bonus if you aren't ranked.
Fourth, you get a 5% bonus for fighting alongside your own factions capital ship. No bonus if you aren't ranked.
Fifth, you get a 1-10% bonus for your pilot rank.
Finally, you get 10% bonus for every wingman you bring along.
First, your bonus scales with your rank in a chosen faction. 5-50% bonus depending on rank. No bonus if you aren't ranked.
Second, you get an additional 25% per kill in high intensity zones.
Third, you get another 10% bonus for fighting against an enemy capital ship. No bonus if you aren't ranked.
Fourth, you get a 5% bonus for fighting alongside your own factions capital ship. No bonus if you aren't ranked.
Fifth, you get a 1-10% bonus for your pilot rank.
Finally, you get 10% bonus for every wingman you bring along.
Here's how it breaks down for me: I've put in a couple hundred hours since Gamma, so that's about 3 months. I've killed over 2500 NPCs, my combat rank is Dangerous and I've made about 25 million. If speculation turns out to be correct and the Vulture is 20 million then I can't even buy one and equip it for combat right now.
If that's the case then I'm stuck in a Cobra and Viper (the ships I've had since the first week of Gamma) for another month or two until I can finally progress. I cannot fathom how anyone could think that this is remotely ok. Combat is one of the main pillars of this game and progression is measured in months. Months.
I don't care about getting rich and equipping an Anaconda for war. It'd be nice to buy a Fer-de-Lance before Christmas though.
If that's the case then I'm stuck in a Cobra and Viper (the ships I've had since the first week of Gamma) for another month or two until I can finally progress. I cannot fathom how anyone could think that this is remotely ok. Combat is one of the main pillars of this game and progression is measured in months. Months.
I don't care about getting rich and equipping an Anaconda for war. It'd be nice to buy a Fer-de-Lance before Christmas though.
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This topic has been debated over and over and over .... again. Would be nice if a Dev would shed some light if they plan to make the combat professions viable in bigger ships or they are happy of how the things are now. I'd really like to know where FD stands on this topic, would help me a bit with my decisional process.
My suggestion for combat progression:
https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php?t=118523&p=1826181&viewfull=1#post1826181
https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php?t=118523&p=1826181&viewfull=1#post1826181
"You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to Ydiss again."
Aww, I tried.
Things are starting to look up at least. Extraction Sites in the 1.2 beta are pretty amazing and profits have certainly increased. Not as awesome as your suggestions Ydiss, but it's a start. I'm not giving up yet!
FD,
please do not balance profitability in all careers. Trading is all about money so it should stay the most profitable. I also think that statistically speaking, trading is the most boring profession (excet for mining) for many cmdrs... The more boring the career the more profitable it should be. Otherwise many people would drop trading...
I do not trade much. I explore the most of my time. I do not want exploration to be as much profitable as trading... because I would really stop trading between my jourenys...
please do not balance profitability in all careers. Trading is all about money so it should stay the most profitable. I also think that statistically speaking, trading is the most boring profession (excet for mining) for many cmdrs... The more boring the career the more profitable it should be. Otherwise many people would drop trading...
I do not trade much. I explore the most of my time. I do not want exploration to be as much profitable as trading... because I would really stop trading between my jourenys...
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Why is that a problem. Would you like to grind for exploring, bounty hunting, etc. as long as for trading to be able to be on top of the profession?
BTW, the goal of the game is not (necessarily) having the biggest ship or the most money in the bank.
If you choose it as your personal goal and then choose the most ineffective way to achieve it, then it's up to you.
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has never been a "space combat game". Combat was always one of the options to spend time in it, but you could avoid it almost all together and be perfectly happy.If you don't need the other spells in your career path, then it's fine. If you want to have all the expensive stuff, you have to do something in return, rather than just expect the game to provide you with enough money while doing everything else.
On my T7, you won't find any weapons mounted on the hardpoints. Personally, I haven't seen the advantage of big ships in combat (yet?). I can win almost all fights in my Cobra, and an Anaconda or Python would have huge repair costs if something goes wrong.
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What gives you the impression that boosting other careers progression curves would need to make trading no longer the fastest career for making money?
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I'm in 110% agreement with everything in the OP. The gap between trading and the other professions is entirely too large. There's plenty of risk accompanied with exploration and combat, but very little reward and the fact that they can be considered "hobby professions" is just disgusting. Elite: Dangerous is all about giving you a big open galaxy and letting you make your own way in it. The "professions" that aren't trading shouldn't be considered hobbies, they should be considered viable career choices in-game.