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So, just to clarify, are we asking for accuracy to real-life or accuracy to the franchise? If we want them to be accurate to real life then I guess that means that Spino is getting his stubby real-life legs? And Rex is getting his real-life bite which is 6 times stronger than Spino and 3 times stronger than Giga? Cool.

If we're going by the movies then Rex should still be the king. It might have been Joe Johnston's original intention to dethrone the Rex and sweep it under the rug, but that's not the current canon. The JP3 website clarified that the Rex in that movie was 37 feet long. (Whether you interpret that to mean that it was a sub-adult or not really doesn't matter. It was small either way.) And in the Jurassic World series they've made it very clear that Rexy is still the top non-hybrid dino, other than maybe Mosasaurus. The only thing that they haven't done yet is explicitly show Rexy killing the Spino. And that DID almost make it into Fallen Kingdom.
 
So, just to clarify, are we asking for accuracy to real-life or accuracy to the franchise? If we want them to be accurate to real life then I guess that means that Spino is getting his stubby real-life legs? And Rex is getting his real-life bite which is 6 times stronger than Spino and 3 times stronger than Giga? Cool.

If we're going by the movies then Rex should still be the king. It might have been Joe Johnston's original intention to dethrone the Rex and sweep it under the rug, but that's not the current canon. The JP3 website clarified that the Rex in that movie was 37 feet long. (Whether you interpret that to mean that it was a sub-adult or not really doesn't matter. It was small either way.) And in the Jurassic World series they've made it very clear that Rexy is still the top non-hybrid dino, other than maybe Mosasaurus. The only thing that they haven't done yet is explicitly show Rexy killing the Spino. And that DID almost make it into Fallen Kingdom.

This right here, excellently put! ^^
 
This right here, excellently put! ^^

I do not wanna be rude despite what I'm going to say may seem but, I really am, and I bet others are as well tired of seeing this guy Xenosaurian complaining about the Size changes...
You and others like you are like a tiny percentage of people who are against the changes ... It's not like you spamming the thread will make frontier change their minds because of few people that prefer real life accurate sizes instead of jurassic franchise accurate ones.. Besides it is pretty clear that spino was bigger than T-Rex in the movies, so you got to respect it and accept the changes cause this is a Jurassic Park/World Game not a real life game.. Why not quit playing if your unhappy? Maybe play the isle? or saurian.. If your asking for real-life accuracy, they even got fethers so go ahead and quit whining about something that 99% of players ever wanted.

Peace ✌️
 
First, I applaud the developers for their fixing game and listening to community.
Size changing is reasonable. People who want T-rex bigger and bigger should remember that:
Rexy: 13.4 (44 feet) meters long, 5.1 (16 feet 10 inch) meters tall
Buck (Male T.rex from TLW): 12.3 (40 feet) meters long, 4.9 (16 feet) meters tall
Doe (Female T.rex from TLW): 12.8 (42 feet) meters long, 4.9 (16 feet) meters tall
Male T.rex in JP3: 11.3 (37 feet) meters long, 4.5 (14.5 feet) meters tal
So 13.4m is the largest T-rex in Franchise.
Spinosaurs in JP III broke a lot of T-rex fanboy' heart. But we can't deny the fact that: Spinosaurus in JPIII is 43 ft 9 inch.
Well, 1 inch shorter than Rexy but still bigger all other T-rex.
IN JP III
Billy Brennan: That's a Tyrannosaurus.
Dr. Grant: I don't think so. It sounds bigger.

What about real life size? Here we go:
Tyrannosauursvs.Giganotosaurus.png

I don't sync with the comment for that there is outside of the other but the T-rex greater than Sue. Where is evidence?
If compare 2 most completed skeleton. 12,3m - T-rex vs 12.4 Giganotosaurus, they are same size (T-rex is bulkier, but I am talking about lenght, height).
 
1) I don't consider it unreasonable to make them all roughly the same size, but Rex should be head and shoulders above Spino and Giga in terms of strength. Why? Because Rex is stronger both in real life and in the movies. Spino fanboys keep going back to what Spino did to the little Rex in JP3, but I'll say it again: what Joe Johnston tried to do to the T-rex in JP3 is NOT valid now. The Jurassic World series has gone out of it's way to re-establish the Rex as the king of dinosaurs and show that Rexy is in an entirely different league than the JP3 Rex. To the point that she was able to toss around a foe who is well above Spino's level, albeit with help from a single Raptor.
Actually this is exactly why Colon Trevorrow needs to stop trying to be diplomatic about it and just make the Rex/Spino rematch happen. Not out of bloodlust, but just because the Spino fanboys will never admit the difference between Rexy and the JP3 Rex until a movie explicitly shows Spino getting thrown down.

2) The picture that the guy above me posted actually demonstrates a problem with these size comparisons. There are fragments of Rex skeletons which are believed to be bigger than Sue, but Sue is still generally considered the "biggest" T-rex because it's the biggest complete specimen found. Yet the biggest Giga specimen shown there is literally just a fraction of a jaw bone. Do you see the double standard? You either have to accept fragmented specimens from all species, or none.
Really we just don't know how big any of these creatures could potentially grow. It would be naïve to assume that we have the biggest specimen that ever lived, let alone the biggest possible specimen ever. All the butthurt over the game's Rex being slightly bigger than any known specimen is just silly.


3) Those who have been demanding size changes keep claiming to speak for the "community", or at least 99% of it. Can someone point me to these statistics? They're the loudest voice in the room for sure, but does that automatically make them the majority? Or is there such a thing as a vocal minority?
 
I do not wanna be rude despite what I'm going to say may seem but, I really am, and I bet others are as well tired of seeing this guy Xenosaurian complaining about the Size changes...
You and others like you are like a tiny percentage of people who are against the changes ... It's not like you spamming the thread will make frontier change their minds because of few people that prefer real life accurate sizes instead of jurassic franchise accurate ones.. Besides it is pretty clear that spino was bigger than T-Rex in the movies, so you got to respect it and accept the changes cause this is a Jurassic Park/World Game not a real life game.. Why not quit playing if your unhappy? Maybe play the isle? or saurian.. If your asking for real-life accuracy, they even got fethers so go ahead and quit whining about something that 99% of players ever wanted.

Peace ✌️

Again, I'm respectfully engaging in a discussion on the aforementioned issue relating to the theropod size representations in the game, that does not equate to spamming, and just because you disagree with my stance does not mean that I'm spamming either. I have every right to share my complaints with this decision, especially if I've got justified reasons for it, and whether or not you are annoyed, offended, or feeling tired of my reasoning is completely irrelevant and brings nothing to the discussion, and indeed, it does come across as rude.

Further, being part of a minority does not devalue my opinion, and pointing it out certainly won't have me silenced, for this just presents another motivation for a person representing a minority to speak out louder (perhaps I'm even able to recruit supporters for my cause). I've been going through this issue already in this thread, and it seems like you just brushed over it and didn't actually read what was actually said, because what was established was that Tyrannosaurus is the largest theropod (not counting the fictional Indominus) both in reality as well as in this franchise, even larger than the Spinosaurus, and this should be represented in this game as well and so the current size representations are preferable to the newly suggested size adjustments. Your argument fails on this point.

Why would I quit playing the game just because of this reason? By this logic I should have quit playing JPOG long ago despite all the entertainment it offers, the size issue is just a big flaw to these two games that I'd rather fix if given the opportunity. I won't stop complaining just because you don't want me to complain, that's ridiculous, and I could've said the same thing to all those who were complaining about the current size representations. And no, just no, tyrannosaurs did not have feathers, or at the very least we've never found a single trace of any feathers on any tyrannosaurs but only ever scales and more scales. Also no, Yutyrannus was a proceratosaurid, not a tyrannosaurid, in case you thought of bringing it up. See illustration; https://scontent-arn2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/36455646_185453702126204_6740583483216756736_o.jpg?_nc_cat=0&oh=94634d74f1f2e5fe7e2aa22e77d5d283&oe=5C06863F
 
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First, I applaud the developers for their fixing game and listening to community.
Size changing is reasonable. People who want T-rex bigger and bigger should remember that:
Rexy: 13.4 (44 feet) meters long, 5.1 (16 feet 10 inch) meters tall
Buck (Male T.rex from TLW): 12.3 (40 feet) meters long, 4.9 (16 feet) meters tall
Doe (Female T.rex from TLW): 12.8 (42 feet) meters long, 4.9 (16 feet) meters tall
Male T.rex in JP3: 11.3 (37 feet) meters long, 4.5 (14.5 feet) meters tal
So 13.4m is the largest T-rex in Franchise.
Spinosaurs in JP III broke a lot of T-rex fanboy' heart. But we can't deny the fact that: Spinosaurus in JPIII is 43 ft 9 inch.
Well, 1 inch shorter than Rexy but still bigger all other T-rex.
IN JP III
Billy Brennan: That's a Tyrannosaurus.
Dr. Grant: I don't think so. It sounds bigger.

What about real life size? Here we go:

I don't sync with the comment for that there is outside of the other but the T-rex greater than Sue. Where is evidence?
If compare 2 most completed skeleton. 12,3m - T-rex vs 12.4 Giganotosaurus, they are same size (T-rex is bulkier, but I am talking about lenght, height).

Question, why exactly does the largest T-Rex in this game have to match the size of the largest T-Rex in the movies? The T-Rex in the game is 14 meters, this is fully within the limits of how large a T-Rex can get, and I don't see why we should not keep the current sizes (save perhaps for a slight adjustment to Giganotosaurus and Ceratosaurus).

JP3 was an atrocity largely rejected and ignored by the fanbase, and the way they decided to shamelessly and needlessly kill off and replace the beloved and revered Tyrannosaurus with the new Spinosaurus (especially instead of further establishing the T-Rex kingdom by letting the Tyrannosaurus kill the Spinosaurus at the end of the film and give off a chilling victory roar amidst the flames of the river) was beyond outrageous, and considering the fanbase largely consists of T-Rex-fans (not being the same as fanboys) it's not surprising it became a failure with a lot of hatred coming its way, and thus the current JW-franchise ended up re-establishing the superiority of the Tyrannosaurus again, which is likely soon to be completed with the rematch in 2021. Further noting that the following video is more along the lines of how the clash between these two predators should and would have turned out (except for the fact that Spinosaurus isn't as tall as depicted and didn't actually swim, as a recent study concluded); https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uKmFo1UOIgo

Concerning Hartman's illustrations depicted here, they may be interesting to note, though they don't really add much, but at best they suggest Giganotosaurus may have been very slightly longer than two of the most complete known specimens of Tyrannosaurus, though these two specimens (CM 9380 and FMNH PR2081) still have more mass to them. Further noting that (1) Tyrannosaurus specimens larger than Sue are not just very likely to have existed, but they may already have been found (they are just too fragmentary to properly estimate their actual size), and (2) the estimates for MUCPv-95 (Giganotosaurus) is based upon a single piece of the lower jaw, and if going by such fragmented pieces then UCMP 137538 (Tyrannosaurus) is even longer at 14.5 meters, assuming it belongs to Tyrannosaurus. Also see illustration; https://scontent-arn2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/40100534_229242501080657_4366994619108425728_o.jpg?_nc_cat=0&oh=cb5d4d5b9363abd43c0d9abecc71c766&oe=5C2FEF2F

If we're quoting in-universe characters, then as the late Roland Tembo said while on his trophy hunt mission to Isla Sorna in 1997; "Somewhere on this island is the greatest predator that ever lived."
 
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It is 10 days after size changing is comfirmed. I am dying for waiting next update. I wonder how 3 biggest predator's size will be change. I am so excited to rematch the fight between Spinosaurus and T-rex. Because of T-rex size's issue, I haven't let a T-rex meet a Spino or Giga in my park since I had JWE.
This is what thing should be :D
[video=youtube_share;M7tNqjsclhs]https://youtu.be/M7tNqjsclhs[/video]
 
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It is 10 days after size changing is comfirmed. I am dying for waiting next update. I wonder how 3 biggest predator's size will be change. I will rematch between Spinosaurus and T-rex.

I'm not sharing your sentiment, sorry. Except I love setting up battles and just watching as the (larger) Tyrannosaurus kills off the (smaller) Spinosaurus, and the little squeal that the Spino makes when it's killed is just too lovely! <3

Furthermore, the first video demonstrates how it ought to be done and how things would actually go down, the second video has Jack Horner regretting his mistakes on JP3, and the third video is simply JWE themselves making a statement;

[video=youtube;uKmFo1UOIgo]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uKmFo1UOIgo[/video]

[video=youtube;kNRdv8d75Tc]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kNRdv8d75Tc[/video]

[video=youtube;r5L7Iokg5RY]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r5L7Iokg5RY[/video]
 
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I'm not sharing your sentiment, sorry. Except I love setting up battles and just watching as the (larger) Tyrannosaurus kills off the (smaller) Spinosaurus, and the little squeal that the Spino makes when it's killed is just too lovely! <3

Furthermore, the first video demonstrates how it ought to be done and how things would actually go down, the second video has Jack Horner regretting his mistakes on JP3, and the third video is simply JWE themselves making a statement;

Dude I didn't know Jack Horner said that. Thanks for sharing!

You know, what Frontier should do is just go ahead and push forward with the size changes, but give us another video of the newly-scaled Rex killing the newly-scaled Spino. That way they make Spino fans happy by giving them the rescale that they've been demanding, but also make Rex fans happy by showing that Rex doesn't need to be bigger than Spino to beat it. That way everyone is happy [big grin]
 
Dude I didn't know Jack Horner said that. Thanks for sharing!

You know, what Frontier should do is just go ahead and push forward with the size changes, but give us another video of the newly-scaled Rex killing the newly-scaled Spino. That way they make Spino fans happy by giving them the rescale that they've been demanding, but also make Rex fans happy by showing that Rex doesn't need to be bigger than Spino to beat it. That way everyone is happy [big grin]

You're most welcome, my friend!

It's an interesting idea that you're proposing here, certainly, however I still feel it brings down the dominance of the Tyrannosaurus (as the star dinosaur of the franchise, after all) to have an otherwise inferior beast displayed as being larger than it ought to be, both in reference to scientific and cinematic accuracy.
 
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The problem here is not that the opinion of certain people is incorrect but it's when you clearly demonstrate why they are wrong and they are not going to question their opinion. That's it.
 
The problem here is not that the opinion of certain people is incorrect but it's when you clearly demonstrate why they are wrong and they are not going to question their opinion. That's it.

Don't bother responding. It's just a handful of people contesting the universaly acclaimed sizes changes for seven pages. Let them do it.
 
Here's a suggestion, there should be an option to have different sized animals in your park, so this size issue won't be an issue to anyone, otherwise it just feels very rotten to leave one group satisfied with their preferred size representations but another unsatisfied due to inaccurate and inappropriate size representations.
 
Reading over all the info posted in this thread is interesting but no matter how much you beg, plead or argue it will not change the planned update. The request for the size changes was through a major outcry from a large portion of the community. I get everyone has an opinion and they're entitled to it but by posting over and over and over it just get annoying and repetitive. There's some battles you can't win and this is one of them. As for your suggestion:
Here's a suggestion, there should be an option to have different sized animals in your park, so this size issue won't be an issue to anyone, otherwise it just feels very rotten to leave one group satisfied with their preferred size representations but another unsatisfied due to inaccurate and inappropriate size representations.
I think you'll find there is a handy wishlist that you can link that to.
I get your argument for the sizing but there is no point continuing it. The decision has been made and a majority of people support it, including myself incidentally.
Some of the info you have linked however i'll point out is inaccurate.
Looking over numerous scientific articles there is a clear agreement that the Spinosaurus was and is the largest Terrestrial carnivore. There is continued debate regarding the bipedal/quadrepedal aspect of the animal but based on simulation and testing the argument leans heavily towards a bipedal animal, and while Jack Horner at the time advised the Spino was a fisheater only, this argument has been debuffed and it has been proven that while the spino was semiaquatic and did eat fish it was also a terrestrial scavenger and possibly hunted smaller prey although there is still discussion regarding this.
I don't to argue I'm just sick of toxicity and arguments sprouting up over every decision made by frontier. At the end of the day the game they have made is pretty darn cool and much kudos to them and the fact they are listening to the community for suggestions such as the one leading to this thread is something they deserve credit for. They don't have to do what they're doing, they want to.
Anyway enough of a lecture from me. I don't want to argue and won't respond to any replies just wanted to correct and inform you on a few things. :|
 
Reading over all the info posted in this thread is interesting but no matter how much you beg, plead or argue it will not change the planned update. The request for the size changes was through a major outcry from a large portion of the community. I get everyone has an opinion and they're entitled to it but by posting over and over and over it just get annoying and repetitive. There's some battles you can't win and this is one of them. As for your suggestion:
I think you'll find there is a handy wishlist that you can link that to.
I get your argument for the sizing but there is no point continuing it. The decision has been made and a majority of people support it, including myself incidentally.
Some of the info you have linked however i'll point out is inaccurate.
Looking over numerous scientific articles there is a clear agreement that the Spinosaurus was and is the largest Terrestrial carnivore. There is continued debate regarding the bipedal/quadrepedal aspect of the animal but based on simulation and testing the argument leans heavily towards a bipedal animal, and while Jack Horner at the time advised the Spino was a fisheater only, this argument has been debuffed and it has been proven that while the spino was semiaquatic and did eat fish it was also a terrestrial scavenger and possibly hunted smaller prey although there is still discussion regarding this.
I don't to argue I'm just sick of toxicity and arguments sprouting up over every decision made by frontier. At the end of the day the game they have made is pretty darn cool and much kudos to them and the fact they are listening to the community for suggestions such as the one leading to this thread is something they deserve credit for. They don't have to do what they're doing, they want to.
Anyway enough of a lecture from me. I don't want to argue and won't respond to any replies just wanted to correct and inform you on a few things. :|

I've learned throughout my life that this isn't necessarily true, until the proposed change is implemented there is still a chance that it could be changed, and even after the proposed change is implemented there is still a chance that it could be changed. As far as discussions such as this one goes, I'm not going to assume anything, but I am going to speak my mind in hope that I will be heard, even if long after I first raised my voice. Indeed, there are battles you probably won't win in life, but that doesn't necessarily mean that this is how it's actually going to go down. You still have the possibility to win against all odds. I've already heard others say my complaints don't matter, and I still fail to see what this is supposed to actually change, my opinions doesn't change and nothing is really added to this conversation.

As for your claims that my provided information is supposedly "inaccurate" and that "Spinosaurus is the largest terrestrial carnivore", I would simply ask for you to actually provide some justification for those, or else I'm calling you out on it, because the actual data seems to suggest something much different and refusing to support the claims will ultimately render them pointless and self-refuting.

Indeed, there is continued debate on whether Spinosaurus was bipedal, quadrupedal, or switched between both options, though this doesn't really matter much since Tyrannosaurus would still remain the largest known terrestrial carnivore either way. I've already gone through all this. Regarding the supposed semiaquatic lifestyle of Spinosaurus, it was stated in a recent study that Spinosaurus probably did not do very well as a swimmer so that idea is essentially debunked, but indeed Spinosaurus was far better adapted for catching large fish than large terrestrial animals, but surely it scavenged and hunted smaller terrestrial prey, I'd consider that blatantly obvious, however it would hardly compare to the hunting habits of Tyrannosaurus which as the perfect dinosaur killer literally went for the largest and most dangerous prey available such as Edmontosaurus, Triceratops, Ankylosaurus, Alamosaurus, and perhaps even therizinosaurids and azhdarchids, and even engaged in vicious battles with its own kind.

Surely, Frontier has developed an impressive game, but no game is without its own issues, and I do indeed think the complaints the game received for its original size representations were ridiculous and unjustified, and they ultimately added a big negative for people like myself instead by deciding to change it rather than keep the original sizes. No, it's not something I consider worthy of credit. I was very happy when they first announced they wouldn't change the sizes and it seemed like this whole issue would be laid to rest, but then...
 
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Here.
https://www.reddit.com/r/jurassicworldevo/comments/8olel3/spinosaurus_looks_puny_next_to_trex/

How can someone call this an adequate size for the spinosaurus when he/she post this "official" size chart as an argument to defend his point of view :
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I mean, what is this (talking about the post in reedit) ? I get that some people want to favoring the T.rex in the Spino vs. T.rex debate. But this isn't even close to film accurate (which would be what is shown in the sizes chart above... if i recall what you said before
)
Right now we have midget Spino vs. Roid T-rex and it can't stay that way. That's why i say that frontier really made the right choice here.
But don't worry i'm pretty sure that the Spino is not going to make the t-rex looks like a dwarf after that update, he just wont be a midget anymore. And same goes for the giga (you can't say that there wasn't a problem with this one). Maybe the Indominus is going to be the largest, maybe.
Now i'm done with this thread, and after all that has been told here, I recognize that your stubbornness is somehow respectable, it's good to have passionate people, whether in one camp as in the other.
Peace, and have a good game [smile]
 
Here.
https://www.reddit.com/r/jurassicworldevo/comments/8olel3/spinosaurus_looks_puny_next_to_trex/

How can someone call this an adequate size for the spinosaurus when he/she post this "official" size chart as an argument to defend his point of view :


I mean, what is this (talking about the post in reedit) ? I get that some people want to favoring the T.rex in the Spino vs. T.rex debate. But this isn't even close to film accurate (which would be what is shown in the sizes chart above... if i recall what you said before )
Right now we have midget Spino vs. Roid T-rex and it can't stay that way. That's why i say that frontier really made the right choice here.
But don't worry i'm pretty sure that the Spino is not going to make the t-rex looks like a dwarf after that update, he just wont be a midget anymore. And same goes for the giga (you can't say that there wasn't a problem with this one). Maybe the Indominus is going to be the largest, maybe.
Now i'm done with this thread, and after all that has been told here, I recognize that your stubbornness is somehow respectable, it's good to have passionate people, whether in one camp as in the other.
Peace, and have a good game [smile]

The reasoning behind this was to show that, if we are arguing that the theropods should represent their cinematic counterparts, then the Spino should at most be about 13.5 meters long and less tall than the T-Rex as depicted in the movies, but suddenly Frontier thought it were a good idea to change it to "Scale up the Spinosaurus from 13.7m (current) to 15m (making her taller but less bulky than the T-Rex)" which is again ridiculous. No doubt, the adjusted sizes are a complete mess, and the T-Rex definitely ought to be represented as larger (the original 14 meters were perfect) both because it was larger in reality and because it's the star dinosaur in the franchise and the Spino wasn't even bigger than the biggest T-Rex in the films. Again, adjusting the sizes of Giganotosaurus and Ceratosaurus could be excusable, but the proposed adjustments to Tyrannosaurus and Spinosaurus are wretched. Anyway, it's been an entertaining conversation, stay safe, and see ya later Spinogator! ^^
 
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