Are you really trying to tell me that's not just another way of saying "If you don't like it, don't do it"?
Pull the other one. It's got bells on.
In system jumps.
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Are you really trying to tell me that's not just another way of saying "If you don't like it, don't do it"?
Pull the other one. It's got bells on.
Given the choice of:
- Being able to do something and choosing not to do it, OR
- Wanting to do something and being unable to do so.
Most people (including me) would choose (1).
Right now, we have (2) because not everyone has as much free time available to play the game as you. We are asking for (1).
This tragically hollow argument keeps coming around over and over again.
You can make it about pretty much anything.
Dock to dock jumps.
1 Shot PvE kill-hammer.
1000x FSD Booster.
25k Ton Cargo Hold.
And so on
Just because the choice would be there not to use such items, doesn't make them good ideas.
Hyperbole is rarely a good way to argue your case. And I doubt this discussion would have resulted in 365 responses if it was such a terribly bad idea.
Perhaps it's not as clear cut as you think?
So that I'm not just saying no there are two things I'd do to SC.
Implement the Interplanetary Travel Network.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interplanetary_Transport_Network
If you follow the correct paths, your SC acceleration is higher.
Change USSs to a find mechanic instead of a scan one.
The ship tells you the type immediately but you need to locate it.
Maybe using a directional or signal strength indicator.
The USS only appears when you are close enough.
Implement the Interplanetary Travel Network.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interplanetary_Transport_Network
If you follow the correct paths, your SC acceleration is higher.
Change USSs to a find mechanic instead of a scan one.
The ship tells you the type immediately but you need to locate it.
Maybe using a directional or signal strength indicator.
The USS only appears when you are close enough.
It is clear cut - some systems are big, some are small. It's a basic outcome of the Stellar Forge and a key feature that differentiates one system from another.
It provides game choices:
- Am I sure that planet 500kls away is an ELW?
- Do I really need to up my reputation with that faction when their station is 50k ls out?
Any in-system jump mechanism completely obliterates that by removing the distance factor from your decision making process.
What would I tell the people who complain about the minute in cool down? Simple. "Then don't use in-system jumps. You aren't required to. Go ahead and spend the extra time in supercruise. But you will be in supercruise longer than it would take doing micro jumps." And I think these micro-jumps should only be accessible from supercruise.
I agree with you. But the silver spoon club tend to ignore this. They want an I win feature. When you point out issue with their ideas. They ignore them. They want people people to believe idea is not going to change anyone game play.
What do you say to people who are in smaller ship that have to sacrifice module space for this feature. So they can still do combat.
...by sacrificing an optional internal module slot to do so, and risking damage to your drive. Do you play it safe? Or do you take the risk?
That's the whole point of making it an optional module - you can decide whether it's worth fitting it to your ship.
Smaller ships already have to carefully choose modules due to the lack of internal slots. You choose what's necessary. This optional module wouldn't change that, nor would it prevent you from playing the game *exactly* how you do right now.
Traders face the same dilemma - sacrifice cargo space for extra speed? Or play it exactly like you do now and maximize cargo capacity for ROI.
I'm still waiting for someone to explain how Exploration gameplay doesn't completely change by implementing these microjumps. Microjumps completely undermine the only permanent glory (and one of the largest draws for explorers) this game has to offer: First Discovery Tags.
As I stated previously, the large distance is an intentional obstacle, not bad design. It's there (in terms of exploration gameplay) to force players to weigh the time it will take to travel that large distance in order to get "First Discovery" and the credit bonus when turning in the data. It causes impatient players (I'm looking at you microjump supporters) to skip that ELW/WW/Ammonia World that is 350k LS out, leaving those FD Nametags and Bonus Credits to someone else who does choose to spend the time to fly there.
Add the "win" button, and there is no more obstacle. Implemented micro jumps, even limited to just stars (like that is any kind of significant compromise), means you guys are going to microjump every system within 5k LY of the bubble to gold-rush the First Discovery credits in your obsession with maximizing your bankrolls.
An explorer doesn't get to choose not to use the microjump if available, because their rewards will have already been claimed by the impatient players.
Explain to me how, with implemented microjumps, you can protect the First Discovery titles and bonuses for Explorer-type players who like the existing system exactly how it is.
As I stated previously, the large distance is an intentional obstacle, not bad design. It's there (in terms of exploration gameplay) to force players to weigh the time it will take to travel that large distance in order to get "First Discovery" and the credit bonus when turning in the data. It causes impatient players (I'm looking at you microjump supporters) to skip that ELW/WW/Ammonia World that is 350k LS out, leaving those FD Nametags and Bonus Credits to someone else who does choose to spend the time to fly there.
Add the "win" button, and there is no more obstacle. Implemented micro jumps, even limited to just stars (like that is any kind of significant compromise), means you guys are going to microjump every system within 5k LY of the bubble to gold-rush the First Discovery credits in your obsession with maximizing your bankrolls.
An explorer doesn't get to choose not to use the microjump if available, because their rewards will have already been claimed by the impatient players.
Explain to me how, with implemented microjumps, you can protect the First Discovery titles and bonuses for Explorer-type players who like the existing system exactly how it is.
Why would they need this feature to do combat?
Cool idea using the Interdiction mini game as the basis
Perhaps add an option slot to the FSD for plugs ins (sub slots like the SRV bay has)
The Plug ins can be unlocked at Human Tech Brokers
As you suggest they have mass and power usage as a trade off, and could be charged via synthesis
FSD fuel injector could be one plug in
Another one could be one that boost SC maneuverability
But all FSDs only have one plug in slot
This is the only suggested change that enhances all (3) playstyles without asking any (1) of them to sacrifice for the other (2).
Thanks for linking that, MadDog.
Ohh, yet another topic about questioning DDF decisions.
How dare you question something which was not tested by anyone involved at the moment of decision making? There is no way some miscalculations to those designs might become apparent with actual time test.
No matter how good reasoning people can provide is, middle age crisis would not allow certain people to shed their ugly painted armor.
DDF was the worst decision done about ED. Pure democracies never work.
How dare you question something which was not tested by anyone involved at the moment of decision making? There is no way some miscalculations to those designs might become apparent with actual time test.
No matter how good reasoning people can provide is, middle age crisis would not allow certain people to shed their ugly painted armor.
DDF was the worst decision done about ED. Pure democracies never work.
There's more to exploration than *just* First Discovery. It's also photography, videography, prospecting, POI's, material gathering, etc...
If you're saying you only care about first discoveries, and you want to protect your long distance first discoveries because you have more time than other people, then it sounds like you want an 'easy mode'.