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Nope, and I'm not going to dig back through 8 weeks of posts anytime soon, either. It's a well known fact that if I said the sky was blue or that fire trucks were red you would be first in line to point that in fact the opposite was true, and you did the same re the early stages of the crisis when I was urging reasoned preparation. I don't really care whether anyone else believes that because I'm not trying to score a forum point here but rather putting it to you just man to man.
Yep. Agreed on both points. The whole point of the shut-down is two fold: give time to develop a vaccine and ease the burden on the medical system. And a vaccine will definitely buy more time. Unfortunately, the big question is how much are we willing to damage the economy in order to save lives? And, just to be clear, I'm in the lower end of the higher risk category, so I'm not just being callous with that question. :/
The degree of impact is unfortunately not only measured in time but in lives, extent of spread and economic secondary effects. Because of exponential math, a 4 week delay can represent a 10 TIMES worse outcome, catastrophic systems failure and national collapse.
This is true everywhere, for every cause of delay, but in this case it is especially egregious because of the size of the population affected. Going forward though if they lockdown early enough, it can be salvaged.
I'm really not sure why you think that, my politics are a bit left of yours aside from that we generally agree on most things
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I went to the store for my weekly grocery shopping. No long lines, few people shopping. Good time to get in and out, fast.
Only two shelves were empty: Bread, and toilet paper. It was a shock to see the after effects of this week.
Another effect was what I was trying to describe as the secondary economic impacts. My store would be closed during the week, becoming a weekends only store. A list of the chains other stores that would be open all week was also posted.
Naturally, the chain's most profitable stores would remain open. Yup, price gouging, in a very subtle, public service kind of way. See the BBC movie "Threads", for an example. This way, they are saving the labor and inventory costs on the least profitable stores.
Only two shelves were empty: Bread, and toilet paper. It was a shock to see the after effects of this week.
Another effect was what I was trying to describe as the secondary economic impacts. My store would be closed during the week, becoming a weekends only store. A list of the chains other stores that would be open all week was also posted.
Naturally, the chain's most profitable stores would remain open. Yup, price gouging, in a very subtle, public service kind of way. See the BBC movie "Threads", for an example. This way, they are saving the labor and inventory costs on the least profitable stores.
In Illinois, the other half of my metro area, all the restaurants are closed.
Must refill meds today, before store closes.
You can see the ripple effects in the economy now:
www.cnn.com
Must refill meds today, before store closes.
You can see the ripple effects in the economy now:
Workers say gig companies doing 'bare minimum' during coronavirus outbreak
One after the other, many gig companies have said in recent days that they will compensate workers diagnosed with coronavirus or placed under quarantine by public health authorities. Putting aside the fact a diagnosis may be difficult to prove given availability and criteria for a test, many...
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Apparently making low-paid people live hand to mouth is a crappy idea when the imaginary economy gets a real sniffle. Never woulda thunk.
What if we made a massive nuclear sized bomb that blows up in the atmosphere and despenses soap to everything it touches! 8o
We could clean up the world with massive soap explosions!!
Wash the unwashed masses and all that.
If Asia needs antibacterial soap. We will deliver!!
We have plenty of extra ICBM's laying around. Russia too actually. We could deploy the B-52's and our other bomb dropping weapons all over the world with soap bombs! We could do to the corona virus what we did to Vietnam! Irony ensuing here.
There is a military saying or song about, "We will take them from the so and so. We will fight them to the so and so?" Or something like that. What am I thinking of?
Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MkTw3_PmKtc
Maybe that is what the brits are doing again. They are waiting for us to soap nuke them.
I wonder if such a weapon could pull air pollution out of the air.
We could clean up the world with massive soap explosions!!
Wash the unwashed masses and all that.
If Asia needs antibacterial soap. We will deliver!!
We have plenty of extra ICBM's laying around. Russia too actually. We could deploy the B-52's and our other bomb dropping weapons all over the world with soap bombs! We could do to the corona virus what we did to Vietnam! Irony ensuing here.There is a military saying or song about, "We will take them from the so and so. We will fight them to the so and so?" Or something like that. What am I thinking of?
Maybe that is what the brits are doing again. They are waiting for us to soap nuke them.
I wonder if such a weapon could pull air pollution out of the air.
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Most employee's in the food distribution trade have kids and zero hours contracts in the UK apparently. Nobody knows how they are going to pick, package and deliver food to restock the panic emptied supermarkets soon(tm).
The public libraries are closing here in STL.
Also, several banks are closing branches, restricting access to ATM's, and drive-thru's.
The only paper product I could find was boxed Kleenex, and paper napkins. Soup was emptying out, as was the meat department.
I was able to buy Imodium.
There is no isopropyl alcohol.
Bought the last dozen cans of store-label chunky chicken soup. The panic buying is such that survival needs Trump budget.
Also, several banks are closing branches, restricting access to ATM's, and drive-thru's.
The only paper product I could find was boxed Kleenex, and paper napkins. Soup was emptying out, as was the meat department.
I was able to buy Imodium.
There is no isopropyl alcohol.
Bought the last dozen cans of store-label chunky chicken soup. The panic buying is such that survival needs Trump budget.
I still have a bottle of methylated spirits I bought decades ago.
I wonder if peroxide is useful. You can gargle and wash with it probably. I wonder if it's useful as a surface sanitizer or similar.
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
Not sure what virus inactivation means exactly.
www.cnet.com
It also gets the poo off your toothbrush!
[Virus inactivation by hydrogen peroxide] - PubMed
The effect of H2O2 on adenovirus types 3 and 6, adenoassociated virus type 4, rhinoviruses 1A, 1B, and type 7, myxoviruses, influenza A and B, respiratory syncytial virus, strain Long, and coronavirus strain 229E was studied in vitro, using different H2O2 concentration and timec of exposure...
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Not sure what virus inactivation means exactly.
CDC cleaning guidance: How to disinfect and sanitize your home of COVID-19
Updated guidelines suggest that you should be cleaning your home daily. We'll give you some tips for what to use and where.
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It also gets the poo off your toothbrush!
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Hydrogen Peroxide is a bleach. It's commonly used for sterilizing contact lenses. Do not gargle or wash with it.
I think you can gargle it if you dilute it in water.
www.medicalnewstoday.com
Has to be the 3% kind possibly. don't know if it's good or bad vs corona.
Gargling hydrogen peroxide: Uses, benefits, and safety
Hydrogen peroxide has many antiseptic and antibacterial properties, and it is a staple in many medicine cabinets. Learn about the benefits of gargling with hydrogen peroxide here.
www.medicalnewstoday.com
Has to be the 3% kind possibly. don't know if it's good or bad vs corona.
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It’s always like that, if you need to prep after something happens usually you’re too late.The public libraries are closing here in STL.
Also, several banks are closing branches, restricting access to ATM's, and drive-thru's.
The only paper product I could find was boxed Kleenex, and paper napkins. Soup was emptying out, as was the meat department.
I was able to buy Imodium.
There is no isopropyl alcohol.
Bought the last dozen cans of store-label chunky chicken soup. The panic buying is such that survival needs Trump budget.
Some of the US state by state measures. Each will impact multiple economic sectors:
www.cnn.com
These states have some of the most drastic restrictions to combat the spread of coronavirus | CNN
Governors and city leaders have begun implementing unprecedented orders to encourage residents to stay home or skip nights out, in an effort to curb the spread of the virus.
www.cnn.com
Saw this coming during the holiday 2019 period. A large number of people were out sick at work.
I read an article the other day where they found 13 early cases who had no links to the wet market where it's thought to have started. I suspect we might not know for a while, if at all, where it definitively started.
Edit: Should add that the earliest case China have recorded was the end of November.
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