Intersteller

Watched it a few days ago and absolutely loved it, more importantly, however, I started thinking how much more thrilling it would be if exploration was actually dangerous in Elite.

Whenever I go into combat with another person in Elite my heart starts racing, I don't know what it is like for you, but it's an experience every time for me, especially when the other player proves to be extremely good.

Wish I had the same feeling in Elite while exploring, where every jump really did make you think whether it's worth it or not, who knows what's on the other side.

Exploration trips would be very short and exploration would be let alone very soon.
However I agree that PvP is very adrenalinic.
 
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Baron Munchausen


It's a time travel movie. I consider every time travel movie a comedy. I don't mind the fact that future humanity built the tesseract so that Cooper could bootstrap their own technological advance. What I didn't like was the flabby ending. There was no need for the extra bit in the space station, even though I did like the fact it reminded me of Elite's stations.

Talking of similarities.. was that 5th dimensional tesseract stuff supposed to remind people of Terry Pratchet's L space? And no, I never imagined Larry Niven's to be like a library.
 
one could imagine a 5th dimensional lens so that a 3rd dimensional entity could sit in said 5th dimension, and see the slivers of life as They do. It.. would be confusing for such a being.

Regardless, peering down 2 dimensions (Like us peering down into a dot on a piece of paper) could very well be "seen" as seeing any space in that realms from "the other side of the walls"

If we were to look close enough into that (zero diameter dot)- we would be seeing their world in much the same way.
 
One thing I really liked about Interstellar (besides the black hole representation)

Was the 5th dimensional aliens. Yes, there were aliens in this movie, in case you are confused.

I like how it was complicated enough for me to struggle getting my head around- a rare thing for me, and therefore; enjoyable

Imagine the whole movie from the dimension of the 5th dimensional beings. They were studying something, most likely in a laboratory: Us.

However, they did not see US as we see us, because their frame of reference was 2 dimensions higher- what they saw was the father and daughter's lives, from beginning to end, as merely the "height" of their time in existence. So they could "see" the daughter, but what they was was a "stack" of her entire life as just another "direction" in her physical self (time)- the more they went "thisaway"- the more she got older.

So we, Humanity, was a lab experiment- They wanted to find a way to relate to those "stacks of lives", and do so in such a way that both sides of the experiment could interact- if only very minimally. They chose the father/daughter Lives for the test. They made the Wormhole, They had the tesseract matrix awaiting within the black hole. See, they saw all that happened before and all that has yet to happen (to them thats just a direction to look), and knew that if they provided the wormhole, the misadventure would proceed exactly how it did.

So, the lab technician was "up there" saying "ok, we insert the wormhole here, and have the tesseract matrix of the Daughters life at the Singularity at this time, and see if these organisms can cross communicate to each other given this new interface.

Turns out we could. They are thrilled. "We" just proved to "Them" that our slices of time are actually living, sentient beings, living out there lives in this "limited dimensional aspect".

So while the misadventure was neat and mildly interesting for us, it was Stunning and absolute proof to THEM that there was sentient life elsewhere in even their universe!!

When you stopped to think about it. Actually think about what you observed in the movie... there is where you will find your "wow!"

Sadly in today's society, such storytelling brilliance is often lost on the common man. Like "12 Monkeys", or "I Am Legend"; they leave most viewers just confused, and frustrated, and disappointed.. while completely missing the point and all of the implications provided to them. If they would only think on it a bit.

I could try to explain the implications, as i did in the above spoiler for Interstellar, but more often than not, it will just be "TL;DR"


Now with all that said, I personally would not like to be the playthings of such entities in this elite Universe. They would be so far beyond our scope there would be nothing at all we could do about it- not even say "hi".

When you start playing with time, especially the past, you alter the present. There's nothing about changing the past that makes any sense at all. Only in a parallel universe scenario does it make sense, and even then once you've touched it from yours you've contaminated the experiment.

I'd like to see someone explain how anyone can affect the past without also affecting the present. The "butterfly effect" would exist unless you have an infinite number of possible worlds and you can interact with them all, but even then all that matters is the world you changed, because change would still persist in that world. For us it's the only world we know.
 
who is to say that the test subjects were not in a closed loop of time- a laboratory?

See, claiming that it is future humans doing it all is the trap- at that point you can no longer make sense of it.

But an outside agent, applying these paradoxes from literally outside of our universe.. and its as simple as cut/paste (for Them).

There is no point arguing; those that didn't get it simply did not get it. They could try to see the bigger story, but first they will have to want to.
 
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There is no point arguing; those that didn't get it simply did not get it. They could try to see the bigger story, but first they will have to want to.

Its not up for debate. The tesseract is built by future humans. It is a paradox and intended to be so by the writers. It is a circle. A Theme running through the whole film! If you somehow conclude aliens built the tesseract then the core theme of the film falls apart.

TARS Cooper, they didn’t bring us here to change the past.

COOPER Don’t you see, Tars? I brought myself here. We’re here to communicate with the three-dimensional world. We’re the bridge ...

....

COOPER Don’t you get it, yet, Tars? ’They’ aren’t ’beings’ ... they’re us ... trying to help ... just like I tried to help Murph ...

TARS People didn’t build this tesseract

COOPER Not yet ... but one day. Not you and me but people, people who’ve evolved beyond the four dimensions we know ...
 
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All those cut scenes of TV interviews was so non-immersive just as the time travelling scenes in Lucy. I hope they stop that non-sense film style. I guess they got it from 2001 embryo in space!
[video=youtube;S6umxthz1Ys]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S6umxthz1Ys[/video]
[video=youtube;Jf_ajrfTrp8]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jf_ajrfTrp8[/video]
 
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Like prometheus, i really wanted to like this one but there was too much daft hollywood stuff going on. I wish they would take something gritty like The stars my destination, The forever war or one of Iain banks novels and have a go.
 
Standing on the Shoulders of Giants

One thing I really liked about Interstellar (besides the black hole representation)

Was the 5th dimensional aliens. Yes, there were aliens in this movie, in case you are confused.

I like how it was complicated enough for me to struggle getting my head around- a rare thing for me, and therefore; enjoyable

Imagine the whole movie from the dimension of the 5th dimensional beings. They were studying something, most likely in a laboratory: Us.

However, they did not see US as we see us, because their frame of reference was 2 dimensions higher- what they saw was the father and daughter's lives, from beginning to end, as merely the "height" of their time in existence. So they could "see" the daughter, but what they was was a "stack" of her entire life as just another "direction" in her physical self (time)- the more they went "thisaway"- the more she got older.

So we, Humanity, was a lab experiment- They wanted to find a way to relate to those "stacks of lives", and do so in such a way that both sides of the experiment could interact- if only very minimally. They chose the father/daughter Lives for the test. They made the Wormhole, They had the tesseract matrix awaiting within the black hole. See, they saw all that happened before and all that has yet to happen (to them thats just a direction to look), and knew that if they provided the wormhole, the misadventure would proceed exactly how it did.

So, the lab technician was "up there" saying "ok, we insert the wormhole here, and have the tesseract matrix of the Daughters life at the Singularity at this time, and see if these organisms can cross communicate to each other given this new interface.

Turns out we could. They are thrilled. "We" just proved to "Them" that our slices of time are actually living, sentient beings, living out there lives in this "limited dimensional aspect".

So while the misadventure was neat and mildly interesting for us, it was Stunning and absolute proof to THEM that there was sentient life elsewhere in even their universe!!


There are no pan-dimensional mega beings. The great thing about Time Travel movies is that the plots are so ridiculous you can stretch and pull them any way you want. Here's my attempt at adding logic to the plot...

The buliders of the tesseract are humans. Any evolutionary process they may have underwent has nothing to do to the plot of the movie. The reason why they built the tesseract at that exact point in the space and time of the multiverse is because they know this is the instance when Cooper locates Murph. He thinks he is using the mumbo-jumbo superpower of "Love" to find his daughter but there are an infinite number of times where he didn't find her. Future humans know for a fact one of the few times where he succeeded, because it is part of their history.

Just because I think time travel movies are crazy doesn't mean I don't enjoy them. 12 Monkeys is one of my favourite films. You say it's a shame that the brilliance of time travel movies are wasted on some people. It doesn't help when Hollywood themselves don't understand the plot. One of my favourite short stories of all time is "The Golden Man" by Philip K . I was thrilled to hear it was going to be adapted into a movie. Nicholas Cage. He is a great actor. He was in "Raising Arizona" and "Adaptation" was one of the best films ever.

The movie they made out of "The Golden Man" was called "Next", and it was as good as the remake of "The Wicker Man" <sigh>. All the great ideas and the uncomfortable ending were ripped out to make room for a popcorn action movie.
 
It was OK, trying to be Space Odyssey but dumbing it down ruined it really. I really had to look past the whole holywood "small town america" thing and enjoyed thinking about the science behind what was happening. It was thought provoking at least which is more that can be said for most other modern films.

EDIT - And it didn't end in fist fight!
 
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Loved the music in it, so smart to use an Organ (even if on loan from Kubrick) which produces pure sine-waves > which are half circles and circles being such a huge part of the story arc (s) and visuals.

Although the film was a bit of a mess, it was a beautiful one.

The rainforest sound design idea was pure brilliance, I wish I had though of that and had added several ambient relaxation templates in the cockpit audio options : )

AHA! I was noticing that too, regarding the Organ, Brilliant I tell you BRILLIANT! But you already know that as a sound genius in ED :D
 
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