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What the hell is an Aluminum Falcon?
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is atmospheric landing even possible with either of the 38 playable ships???
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One can utilize any of the multiple meanings involved in the word, lift.
And rockets don't have wings, they have stabilizer's.
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Of course they can! ANY ship in this game can land on any planet. It's a video game and it's just a matter of coding it that way.
we're talking about space ships. in space. that for some reason look like airplanes and large boats and have speed limits and even slow down in space. I think we'll be ok.
we're talking about space ships. in space. that for some reason look like airplanes and large boats and have speed limits and even slow down in space. I think we'll be ok.
They always could in previous games (FE2 and FFE), even the Panther Clipper, so no reason in Lore not to be able to land. The way atmospheric entry occurred in ED was discussed by the writers with Devs/Designers in the private writers forum (alas, long since deleted) so we could get the details right in in our novels based on the thinking at the time.
Cheers,
Drew.
sadly... we'll not get the experience of bsg type atmospheric play with some ships excluded, some ships included. And some ships awesome enough not be able to land but to withstand jumping into the atmo long enough to launch fighters and restart the jump sequence and bounce out before falling to the surface. Like a boss.
Tbh none of these ships incl Cobra has a suitable airfoil to provide a good lift-drag ratio at all, let alone the microscopic wings won‘t help a lot, lol. Power. Need power.
It is science, although theoretical. If you'd have read that Wikipedia article, you could've read that Kardashev didn't believe that a Type IV civilization was possible and I'm sure you are aware of differences between knowledge and beliefs. You could've also read that other theoretical physicists like Michio Kaku extended the scale beyond III, because that's what scientists usually do: change, extend and deepen our knowledge (one funeral at the time). Are you trying to tell me that theoretical physics isn't science? And please discuss science and its methods and don't discuss my behavior.
I'm still waiting for your proof that a Type V civilization is impossible.
I didn't miss it. I've chosen not to discuss it at all, because ED is a work of art. Apropos, there's nothing magical and fantastic in our thrusters when we take off if they're using a fusion reactor.
^ This is the answer to the OP. This is the only answer to the OP. ^
This, and a bit of the fiction in science fiction, is all you need.
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^ This is the answer to the OP. This is the only answer to the OP. ^
This, and a bit of the fiction in science fiction, is all you need.
Six pages later... this forum...
No, fdev gave the only answer to the op when they made ships magically able to escape planetary surfaces with any thrusters regardless of mass of the ship and planet gravity.
Middle Finger tattooed with the word "Gameplay" up it.
It's the same one atmospheric flight would get too. Pretending like atmospheric flight will ever be implemented.
If you can make a KFC bucket fly, you can make anything fly.
Just imagine KFC powers everything and problems just vanish.
Just imagine KFC powers everything and problems just vanish.
Perhaps instead of a fighter bay you will be able to equip a shuttle bay. Then you could leave your ship in orbit and shuttle down in a little bus. If its good enough for Star Trek.....
Cheers, GD
Cheers, GD
True. Now let's see, what are the options:
1. FD fully calculates each ships surface, looks into aerodynamics, models how turbulence, sonic shock wave and other things affect your ships, etc.
2. FD simply gives the ships something similar to the old Frontier games, a shield for atmospheric landing and can call it a day after that.
Which of the two you consider more likely to happen is up to you.
But then we also need giants who try to smash it with huge rocks...
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considering that supercruise means you can enter atmosphere without caring about friction since you're not actually moving at the relative speed you're travelling, until the magic supercruise engine drops sc in favor of "glide" mode ... i dont think any elite ships need to worry about re-entry friction etc.
They wouldn't need to worry about aerodynamics either since we already know our thrusters can keep us aloft and they're always on when around gravity wells.
You would just have drag /wind as an added factor of flight when in an atmo planet. Unless they also implement weather.
That would just be a coefficient to normal flight behavior.
Most ships would probably do very little actual atmo flight since speed would be drastically reduced due to drag. Just supercruise in, drop over a area you need to land ...lift off when done and supercruise/jump out.
In the end, it would be rather boring like our current planetary landings. Unless of course, atmo planets had sprawling cities and activity. But i somehow doubt that.
I'd also wonder about how they'd deal with large bodies of water. Seems unlike Fdev to let us die by getting crushed by water pressure or water causing the engines to malfunction and not be able to liftoff etc. I'm imagining dry ...featureless atmo bodies that are exactly like barren worlds we have now but with drag coefficient and maybe less visibility.
They wouldn't need to worry about aerodynamics either since we already know our thrusters can keep us aloft and they're always on when around gravity wells.
You would just have drag /wind as an added factor of flight when in an atmo planet. Unless they also implement weather.
That would just be a coefficient to normal flight behavior.
Most ships would probably do very little actual atmo flight since speed would be drastically reduced due to drag. Just supercruise in, drop over a area you need to land ...lift off when done and supercruise/jump out.
In the end, it would be rather boring like our current planetary landings. Unless of course, atmo planets had sprawling cities and activity. But i somehow doubt that.
I'd also wonder about how they'd deal with large bodies of water. Seems unlike Fdev to let us die by getting crushed by water pressure or water causing the engines to malfunction and not be able to liftoff etc. I'm imagining dry ...featureless atmo bodies that are exactly like barren worlds we have now but with drag coefficient and maybe less visibility.
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I say old chap, those clever boffins at the Ministry of Supply disproved your statement back in the 1950's
Who's they?!
You can't test it via the scientific method either and if a theory not falsifiable, as far as mainstream science is concerned, it's not science. A theory requires proof, whether experimental or mathematical, and is ultimately judged on how well it agrees with empirical observations. In the case of a 'Type V civilization' this would require we be able to observe beyond the visible universe and have a way of interpreting such observations. This relegates it to the speculative, for now.
4ndr34 is right about there being blatantly fantastic elements here, he's just not pointing out the correct ones.
A fusion reactor may be a real thing, and one that could produce a net positive power is foreseeable enough to be hard science fiction, but saying what our ships can do isn't fantasy because someone stuck the 'fusion reactor' label on it ignores a whole lot of physical laws.
A planetary landing suite that increases ventral thrust as a piloting aid is entirely plausible...having it increase acceleration by ~10g without any corresponding increase in fuel or power consumption is not, nor is ~10g of continuous thrust applied to a ~1000 ton ship with only ~200 grams per second of reaction mass.
For our ships' thrusters to do what they can be observed to do with the reaction mass on hand, they would need to produce an exhaust velocity of several percent the speed of light...which would require vastly more energy than the listed output of these reactors, would require more heat be dissipated than would be plausible given available radiator area (unless we have materials that can get to millions of degrees without melting), and result in far more dramatic effects any time that exhaust came into contact with anything. The performance depicted in some of these areas is multiple orders of magnitude beyond what's physically possible within the contraints depicted in game.
I'd say atmospheres or atmospheric heating are going to be minimal nuisance to thing that CAN relatively safely get shower in active neutron stars ejection cone. Or bask in star's corona. And when it comes to flying, well ships have such amount of thrust that even brick will fly nice enough.
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First and foremost, "atmospheric planets" does not mean "earth-likes".
Earth-likes are only one type of atmospheric planets and a very rare one as well. Actually this means, our ships will have to be able to enter all types of atmospheres from very thin ones like on Mars to very thick ones like on Venus.
In the end you could always say our shields are protecting us, and when I look at the heat our ships can take without melting, entry should be fine...
Concerning flight in atmosphere, we don't really need wings because we have thrusters all around our ships keeping us in the air and correcting our trajectory. In cases like Venus, where the atmosphere is almost fluid and also highly corrosive, I'm not sure if those would work at all, but well...
And yes, I'd love to have more scientific approaches to a lot of things in Elite.