Is Elite Dangerous a dead game? I compared it to some others ...

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Elite's not dead, tis just a flesh wound.

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I have learned to never count a multiplayer game out until the servers come down. There are people out there still playing Meridian 59. The busted old mid-90s Psychochild masterpiece. That's an almost 30 year old title. EVE just hit 20 years, and lots of people are still losing fortunes to Jita scammers and megawars. People still play EverQuest. Even Mythic has managed to keep Dark Age of Camelot going. So long as there is a dedicated core community, most popular online games linger and eventually innovate and freshen up. The ones that burn out do so pretty quickly.
 
It is "dying" because Obsidian Ant says so about three times a week in his highest rated videos.

Factually incorrect. :D

Although facts rarely matter here.

True fact: I've never once said or believe Elite is dead. Then again, people have a short attention space, so perhaps they count me quoting in a thumbnail, or in the opening few words. 😂

Second fact: Elite videos are not highly rated. YouTube doesn't have much of an audience for the game. Whilst it's true that the game is doing very well in terms of player numbers (rightfully so, it's a good game, with decent recent updates), there are exactly zero YouTube channels that get regular high viewing numbers for Elite videos. :)
 
Like it or not, OA, as one of the larger and still active Youtube creators who present their opinion rather than just presenting the news, has got a pretty big target painted on his chest. There aren't too many left anyways, one is the court jester who nobody really takes seriously, one is more like the public radio news, and then there is OA, who sadly doesn't shy away from clickbait. I am sure he is perfectly able to cope with being judged for it.

More to the point: My original comment was more a throwaway criticism to all of them jumping on and off the doom train when it is fashionable and/or generates revenue than a call to raise the pitchforks and blame OA for the public view of the game. I have no beef with OA or any other content creator. They can do whatever floats their boat as far as I am concerned. But truth is (and you can see that echoed here, on reddit and elsewhere) that a lot of players - potential, current or ex - take everything a handful of content creators put out on the internet as face value, while it does not neccessarily reflect the whole truth, or sometimes even a smidge of it.

Interestingly, a lot of comments I see on my videos talk about these very forums. It's very common for YouTube comments to (incorrectly) claim the Elite community is toxic. Such comments (incorrectly) regularly cite these forms as an example of that toxicity.

Your post is very valid. People who skim content, or only casually read headlines or forum posts often come to incorrect conclusions. Ironically, some people on the forums blame YouTube for that. Meanwhile some of the YouTube audience blame the forums.
 
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True fact: I've never once said or believe Elite is dead.
This is a little bit of having your cake and eating it too. Even if you never say it in your videos or even come to a fundamentally different conclusion at the end of your videos, the way you make up your thumbnails or titles often kind of flirts with the "DOOM" craze ;).

Your post is very valid. People who skim content, or only casually read headlines or forum posts often come to incorrect conclusions. Ironically, some people on the forums blame YouTube for that. Meanwhile some of the YouTube audience blame the forums.
Well you certainly have to factor in that a big portion of the potential viewership only skims the surface of the content that is offered. I certainly do, because I either don't have the time or the patience (or neither), and often not the interest to watch it all, much less so if it doesn't tell me anything new anyway. I also guess very few people actually watch 15 minutes of a talking head video (where you can't even see a head ;) ) completely to the very end. Not saying it is all on you, but I can see where the "OA said the game is doomed" narrative is coming from.

Nothing against you personally, all I'm saying: Don't take what the content creators put out for gospel.
 
This is a little bit of having your cake and eating it too. Even if you never say it in your videos or even come to a fundamentally different conclusion at the end of your videos, the way you make up your thumbnails or titles often kind of flirts with the "DOOM" craze ;).


Well you certainly have to factor in that a big portion of the potential viewership only skims the surface of the content that is offered. I certainly do, because I either don't have the time or the patience (or neither), and often not the interest to watch it all, much less so if it doesn't tell me anything new anyway. I also guess very few people actually watch 15 minutes of a talking head video (where you can't even see a head ;) ) completely to the very end. Not saying it is all on you, but I can see where the "OA said the game is doomed" narrative is coming from.

Nothing against you personally, all I'm saying: Don't take what the content creators put out for gospel.

I would expand that to don't take what anyone says as gospel. That's the exact same point I'm making. In this case, "Don't take what the forum users posts as gospel." ;)

Some either miss the point, (or in my case, for the purposes of this conversation, some are just not interested in YouTube).

That said, there's also a bunch of great forum posters here. So it's not a quote to live by. Just something to take into consideration.
 
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Factually incorrect. :D

Although facts rarely matter here.

True fact: I've never once said or believe Elite is dead. Then again, people have a short attention space, so perhaps they count me quoting in a thumbnail, or in the opening few words. 😂

Second fact: Elite videos are not highly rated. YouTube doesn't have much of an audience for the game. Whilst it's true that the game is doing very well in terms of player numbers (rightfully so, it's a good game, with decent recent updates), there are exactly zero YouTube channels that get regular high viewing numbers for Elite videos. :)

Ah yet if you use tabloid "rag paper" style thumbnail head-lines that are not concerned about context, why should you care about forum posts that simply summarize the exact same "facts" you use to manipulate youtube algorithms my friend...?


 
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Ah yet if you use tabloid "rag paper" style thumbnail head-lines that are not concerned about context, why should you care about forum posts that simply summarize the exact same "facts" you use to manipulate youtube algorithms my friend...


Jaded gamers say "Elite is dead"

What's wrong with that? Isn't this very thread a confirmation of that statement? Or did the bite reflex set in before the brain fully processed the image?
 
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Such comments (incorrectly) regularly cite these forms as an example of that toxicity.
That's absolutely adorable. These forums? Toxic? These are likely some of the most wholesome, helpful and mindful game forums out there.

That said, I used to be a Something Awful moderator in the old days, so I might have something of a skewed view coming from a place that is altogether indistinguishable from one of hell's many rings.
 
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Jaded gamers say "Elite is dead"

What's wrong with that? Isn't this very thread a confirmation of that statement? Or did the bite reflex set in before the brain fully processed the image?

Rock star ate my hamster

All I'm saying is some people make content about games they actually play (not necessarily enjoy), others take snippets of third party sources like press releases, glassdoor reviews or steam stats to make somewhat uninformed opinion peaces.

Remember how search engines used to provide actual useful content, websites and blogs from relevant sources and degraded into "SEO" stuff that contractors/scripts had hammered out to match certain search terms to place adverts next to.
 
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Ah yet if you use tabloid "rag paper" style thumbnail head-lines that are not concerned about context, why should you care about forum posts that simply summarize the exact same "facts" you use to manipulate youtube algorithms my friend...?


I don't care what the "forums" (i.e. certain posters) think. Hence the reason I rarely post here, with a very few exceptions. :D
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Jaded gamers say "Elite is dead"

What's wrong with that? Isn't this very thread a confirmation of that statement? Or did the bite reflex set in before the brain fully processed the image?

YouTuber uses "rag tag" headlines to manipulate algorithm.
ZeeWolf uses "rag tag" quote to manipulate...who, I wonder? :D
 
Rock star ate my hamster

All I'm saying is some people make content about games they actually play (not necessarily enjoy), others take snippets of third party sources like press releases, glassdoor reviews or steam stats to make somewhat uninformed opinion peaces.

Remember how search engines used to provide actual useful content, websites and blogs from relevant sources and degraded into "SEO" stuff that contractors/scripts had hammered out to match certain search terms to place adverts next to.

Some people also watch the videos they comment on. Those are the only people I make the videos for. People who comment on the titles, are like people who only read newspaper headlines, or the last page of a book. 😂 That's totally fine if that's what they want to do. But they shouldn't pretend to be anything more than superficial.
 
Some people also watch the videos they comment on. Those are the only people I make the videos for. People who comment on the titles, are like people who only read newspaper headlines, or the last page of a book. 😂 That's totally fine if that's what they want to do. But they shouldn't pretend to be anything more than superficial.

I don't think having to watch your videos should be a requirement of commenting on the type of headlines you choose to use and making a fairly obvious joke about why you choose to do so.
 
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