Is it time once again to nerf the Python?

[FlyByNight]

I understand that the title of the thread is somewhat provocative, but I am mainly querying the Pythons cargo capacity and medium landing pad capabilty.


I am currently looking to increase my trading rating and want to upgrade from my T6. I was trying different ships/configurations on edshipyard and was suprised by some of the statistics for the Python when compared to the Type 7.


I set up the two ships with all internal compartments assigned to cargo except the one used for shields (I put a size 5 shield on the Python rather than the default size 6 as it should still do the job).


Python - http://www.edshipyard.com/#/L=705,5TP5TP5TP5Rr5Rr,31B69Y7_6QB69Y8I,0AA0AA0AA7Sk08c07205U05U03w
Type 7 - http://www.edshipyard.com/#/L=70X,5QR5QR5QR5QR,316Q7_7_6Q4s4s8I,0AA0AA08c08c0727RA03w03w




Statistics of note


Hull Mass
Python - 350 T
Type 7 - 420 T


Cargo Capacity
Python - 260 T
Type 7 - 216 T


Tons of cargo carried per ton of Hull Mass
Python - 0.74 T
Type 7 - 0.51 T


Overall Ship Mass with all A-rated modules, full cargo and fuel
Python - 977 T
Type 7 - 814 T


Landing pad size
Python - Medium
Type 7 - Large




Now. Considering that the Type 7 is specifically designed to carry cargo, it's suprising to find that the Python which is an all rounder, and also supposed to be smaller can carry significantly more. Furthermore, the Python is able to land on Medium size landing pads which allows it to land on Outposts whereas the Type 7 cannot because of its larger size. This does seem especially strange when you look at the shape of the two ships with The Python being streamlined (longer), and the Type 7 probably the bulkiest ship in the game. The Python is also much heavier than the Type 7 when it is fully loaded.


By the way despite the provocative title I am not seriously suggesting that this inbalance be corrected, I just thought that the statistics for these two ships were of interest and worth throwing out to the forum.


In fact having analysed the data, I conclude that for my next trader if my budget will stretch, I should go for an entry level Python with Cargo Hold Upgrade (58M Cr) which is still likely to outperform an A-rated Type 7(48M Cr).

 

[Darrett]

Type 7- 17.5 Million
Python- 57 Million

This game is set up entirely around balance based on ship cost. Logic and ship roles aren't the concern.


Edit-
I'd say the better comparison would be the Python and the Type 9. The Python and Type 9 are within the same tier, while the Type 7 is in the next tier down.


Personally, I'd like to see some better balancing done around ship roles, but it's not the way the design team are heading at all.

 

[Don Alvarez]

You can get a Clipper now on discount for 15.1Mil that will outperform a T7 and cost much less than a Python, if trading is your thing.

 

[nathdixon92]

The Type 7 is a cheap cargo transporter whereas the Python is a military grade multipurpose vessel three times the cost of the T7.

 

[Marshall...]

The Python is fine - she has already taken a beating with the nerf wand!

 

[Arry]

You can get a Clipper now on discount for 15.1Mil that will outperform a T7 and cost much less than a Python, if trading is your thing.

Clipper at 15 million; where?

 

[FlyByNight]

Type 7- 17.5 Million
Python- 57 Million

This game is set up entirely around balance based on ship cost. Logic and ship roles aren't the concern.


Edit-
I'd say the better comparison would be the Python and the Type 9. The Python and Type 9 are within the same tier, while the Type 7 is in the next tier down.


Personally, I'd like to see some better balancing done around ship roles, but it's not the way the design team are heading at all.

You definitely get a lot more ship for a lot more money with the Python, but I can't understand how it can land on Medium pad, especially if you believe it to be in the same tier as the T9.

 

[CMDR Kantos Kan]

According to your numbers, it seems that the clear winner and the obvious choice would be the Python. Why wanting to nerf it? What does this have to do with your original question about upgrading from your T-6?

As someone else suggested, the Clipper can be had for 15.1M Cr. That was my step toward the Python when I upgraded from the Cobra. I highly recommend it.

 

[Don Alvarez]

Clipper at 15 million; where?

In Leroy Rui's space, whose 15% discount stacks with the CG discounts. I can confirm they can be got at Arjung and Yen Nu for 15.1 Mil.

 

[FlyByNight]

I would love to get a Clipper. I don't currently have the Navy rank for it and was too late getting back for my last exploration to get in on the Community Goal.

 

[CMDR Kantos Kan]

You definitely get a lot more ship for a lot more money with the Python, but I can't understand how it can land on Medium pad, especially if you believe it to be in the same tier as the T9.

I think it has a little bit to do with the ship shape. For example, the Clipper has a hull of 400t while the Python has one of 350t. I believe that the Clipper would be able to land on medium pads if it was not for his "wing" design. The T-9, well, is more like a big square, while the Python is svelter. Plus, the T-9 has a 1000t hull, not in the same league than the Python. Not sure what you mean by being "in the same tier"... Price wise?

 

[Don Alvarez]

I would love to get a Clipper. I don't currently have the Navy rank for it and was too late getting back for my last exploration to get in on the Community Goal.

You don't need the rank right now. Anyone can buy them, if you participated in the CG or not. It's too good to pass up.

 

[Amazing Mr. X]

Is it time once again to nerf the Python?

No.

They nerfed it too hard the first time. It's an overpriced trading ship now.

If anything it needs a serious buff to its speed and maneuvering power just to keep it relevant in an ever-expanding sea of better ships.

 

[Fendalton]

I would love to get a Clipper. I don't currently have the Navy rank for it and was too late getting back for my last exploration to get in on the Community Goal.

You don't need a rank to get it. That's the promotion. The rewards are for everyone, I didn't contribute at all and I got the Imperial Courier which needs Master.

 

[Hell Razor5543]

No, NO, and for the third time NO! The Python is the BEST all round ship in the game. Yes, it can get beaten by other vessels, but there is (currently) no other ship that has such a wide range of capabilities. Will people PLEASE stop asking for the Python to be nerfed? I would suggest that the next person who asks finds that their account is nerfed, and every ship they own is crippled!

 

[FlyByNight]

You don't need a rank to get it. That's the promotion. The rewards are for everyone, I didn't contribute at all and I got the Imperial Courier which needs Master.

You don't need the rank right now. Anyone can buy them, if you participated in the CG or not. It's too good to pass up.

Clipper it is then!
Cheers.

 

[EUS]

Sounds like the Clipper needs a good nerf'ing.

 

[Don Alvarez]

Clipper it is then!
Cheers.

I don't think you'll regret the decision.

 

[PulsarShark]

The Federal Dropship is often overlooked as a potential cargo competitor to the Python. It's cheaper, also lands on medium pads, and able to haul approximately 150 tons (depending on your shield preference).

 

[fruitbat]

No.

The reason the type 7 can't land at medium pads is because it's to tall to fit in the hanger, the reason the Python can land at medium pads is because it does fit in the hanger. End of story.