General / Off-Topic Is man made climate change real or not? Prove your belief here.

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saying that climate change is man-made or that mankind is the reason for climate change is factually wrong.

Quite the opposite.

The current deviation from long standing natural patterns and natural interactions is quite clearly due to our influence. There is a whole lot of climate variation without us, some of which has far exceeded anything we've been around to see first hand, but that does not mean we are not capable of significant impacts ourselves, as a species. The rate of change we are inducing is virtually unprecedented (only matched by massive geological or cosmic events), outstripping the biosphere's, or our own, ability to adequately adapt to it.

The idea that we can do nothing to mitigate the changes we are responsible for is also a fallacy. There are certain consequences that are now inevitable, and certain degrees of mitigation that would almost certainly be counter productive, but doing nothing will definitely result in serious problems in the long run.

Regardless, letting one's politics dictate one's facts is completely backwards and won't benefit anyone. The core of anthropogenic climate change denial seems to be the fear of what will be done with such information, not any rational assessment of the available evidence.

If the world, does not know where you are, they cannot come and steal your stuff.

Which is why anyone with actual bunkers keeps at least one of them secret.
 
saying that climate change is man-made or that mankind is the reason for climate change is factually wrong. the climate has always changed and will always be changing. the water level had swings of >200m in the history of earth.
saying we can stop climate change is like saying that we can stop the earth from rotating.

Ahhh, the same old bad old irrelevant "the climate has changed before" fallacy.
 
Pointing out that the climate crisis movement is a Trojan horse for socialism and dramatically increased governmental control over our lives doesn't make one a "troll," my dear picommander. I'll take the uncertainty of the climate changing and my descendants being forced to adapt any day of the week over the iron clad certainty that the population control party takes over completely. If that makes me a "troll" then that's a sword I'll fall on gladly.
Climate change has nothing to do with political parties.

It is there, it destroys the planet because of the uncontrolled activities of humans, that's the reality.

It is amazing to see that your concern is politics.

You have no other concerns than this shabby little political kitchen ?

The destruction of the environment and the shabby future of your children are no more worrying ?
 
Aprupt climate changes were extremly destructive on most lifeforms before, in particular in the Permian and Triassic periods as well as in the middle of the Cambrian. They were in deed extinction events, and in geological terms we talk here, yes, that is flicking a switch indeed.

In all the above periods the association between CO2 levels and global temperatures were evident.

Besides, climate changes constantly, but what we witness is in line with the rapid changes described above, hence the red flags coming from science.

What is so difficult to understandi here? I have an idea, but I would like to hear from those who claim this is not happening.
 
What I find particularly bizarre with this post is that it very much sounds like the position of your <cough> brilliant potus. What dramatically increased governmental control are you exactly talking about? Are you not living in the USA as I've always assumed?
Wait a minute, didn't you tell me on your last quote that "our conversation was over?" Please make up your mind!
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Well, the question contains the assumption that Climate change is happening. So we'll take that as a given.

We also know that mankind's activities contribute to it - the only real point at issue is the degree.

So. I reckon that it doesn't matter whether the majority of it is manmade or natural, we still give ourselves the best shot at surviving it if we minimise whatever proportion of it is within our control, even if it turns out most of it isn't...….
 
It is happening, just look at temperature charts...
Well, we will manage.
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I've waited much longer than just a minute for anything substantial from your side, so that's no problem. Don't take this as a conversation rather than a statement. You're not yet on my troll list but again you fail to bring some answers. Just drooling along, as always.
I work for a living, my friend. That's what I'm doing now, so don't give me your guff about waiting too long. I'll respond when I have time
 
saying that climate change is man-made or that mankind is the reason for climate change is factually wrong. the climate has always changed and will always be changing. the water level had swings of >200m in the history of earth.
saying we can stop climate change is like saying that we can stop the earth from rotating.

funny that nobody talked about this. guess its true :)
 
I saw my mistake but was too slow to edit my post. Please be fair and quote the new one.
Yes, climate change has always happened, no one is denying this. But one thing I said was and is correct: It's the speed in where it happens and which is an overwhelming pointer to human influence. It's she speed what matters and which is unmatched in the history of Earth. Scientists have reliable methods to evaluate this.

What you are talking about is mentioned here:
https://www.earthfacts.com/climate/climate-change-history/
But read this article carefully, only on the first glance it's confirming your point. At least you can learn where your point is coming from.
Here's a small excerpt from this article, it's how it starts. But you really shouldn't stop reading after that:

and you still didnt answer to anything else than the first sentence, which we already agreed upon
 
I did. You just need to re-read my edited post.
And besides, there are way better sources that answer your questions - if you'd only bother to read them and comment to these. Just forget me for a minute...
then how do other sources tell me your stance on nuclear power? or how do you think about wasting resources on trying to do something that is not doable which will kill millions of people.

or what about the other way around, lets say you manage to cool down the earth. that would mean you would get millions of refugees from people who liver in colder climates, like in siberia or continental canada. those lifes dont matter?
 
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