It won't perform poorly necessarily, the oceania pool of players is possibly among the smallest yet it performed quite well. A second Europe dlc that focuses on a mix of large and small woodland animals would do wonders for European zoo diversity.
It is shameful for Frontier that you cannot create a European zoo!
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I just struggle to think of what animals are hugely important. Like sure you have the wild boar, but it's very unlikely we'll get another deer from Europe, bear, or a proper Eurasian wolf (and the latter two are animals I both want). The European bison, maybe, and a swan, but what else? Chamois? Are Alpine marmot very common in zoos (I honestly don't know)? Then there are those like the wolverine and muskox, I guess. I just don't imagine many people are desperate for a squirrel or rabbit. The European wildcat would be a great addition, but assuming there are limited packs left, is it very likely?
Oceania, south america and europe currently have the exact same number of habitat animals (14) despite europe being far less diverse than the other two. This is a bad take.
Is it likely? Well probably not but i would of said the same thing about receiving another region pack before the oceania pack kicked that door down. In my vision it really would be a pick n' mix of european animals that could include like 2 important animals like the brown bear, wild boar or the eurasian wolf. Add in a european rabbit, some northern animal and a filler exhibit animal and got a half decent europe v2.
I mean like half of this years roster is what id call "not hugely important" so im pretty sure the wolverine and the boar to a lesser extent would probably be enough to validate such a pack.
Still think its more likely to see a temperate pack featuring a couple european animals, but there is definetly enough stuff to make a good "europe II" pack imo
The point from the original post that someone from Europe cannot create a European zoo, while fundamentally correct, is the same for literally everywhere. I don't think anybody could create a zoo that recreates what they would see in a local park with even a passing interest in native species. Anyone living in South America, Australia, Indonesia, India (as mentioned above) or even places seen as more 'complete' like Africa and North America still have loads of species I'm sure many people who live there would see as 'essential'.
Couple that with the extremely high biodiversity of places like South America, Australia, Indonesia, India and Africa when compared to Europe, and it is absolutely no surprise whatsoever that those places could and should have more animals.
I wouldn't mind seeing wild boar, wisent and a wildcat, but there is so much else needed as well that I wouldn't be apoplectic with rage if they didn't come.
Couple that with the extremely high biodiversity of places like South America, Australia, Indonesia, India and Africa when compared to Europe, and it is absolutely no surprise whatsoever that those places could and should have more animals.
I wouldn't mind seeing wild boar, wisent and a wildcat, but there is so much else needed as well that I wouldn't be apoplectic with rage if they didn't come.
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If the crested porcupine isn't european then the fallow deer is not european either, and the dingo not australian. We need to differentiate between ancient introductions and recent introductions.
I never said they didn't exist. I said I dont remember going to one.
Well fallow deers where already native to parts of europe before being spread throughout the rest by the romans.
But yeah, that why i would have really prefered the red deer instead of the fallow deer in the europe pack, and literally anything else than the dingo in the australia pack
The thing is the Australian animals have appeal to pretty much all players. Australian animals are pretty much essential for zoos worldwideto some extent (at least kangaroos, emus, and wallabies), while North American and European animals are only kept commonly on their respective continents. That's why I don't think you can compare a second Australian DLC to a second European DLC in this sense. The same can be said for more North American animals.
I don't want anymore European animals because I personally have no use for them, I'm not opposed to getting a DLC for those who want them. I just think that collectivly, the entire community would benefit from South America first. One primate from SA is pitiful.
All of the oceania packs animals are only commonly kept in australia lolThe thing is the Australian animals have appeal to pretty much all players. Australian animals are pretty much essential for zoos worldwideto some extent (at least kangaroos, emus, and wallabies), while North American and European animals are only kept commonly on their respective continents. That's why I don't think you can compare a second Australian DLC to a second European DLC in this sense. The same can be said for more North American animals.
I don't want anymore European animals because I personally have no use for them, I'm not opposed to getting a DLC for those who want them. I just think that collectivly, the entire community would benefit from South America first. One primate from SA is pitiful.
Yes that's true. but the Tasmanian devil, Kiwi, and little penguin aren't impossible to find in North America and are pretty popular amongst zoo goers. I saw both the kiwi and little penguin. twice at two different facilities before I saw a common hippo. My experience is definitely not the normal, i'll admit that
I'm not going to speak for all Nort American players, but there's a difference between 5-10 holdings and 0. The 0 referring to wild boar and European bison. Without any representation in the zoos here, it's hard for me to want European animals. And I know it goes both ways, which is where we just have to get over it compromise.
In all fairness, everything in the Europe Pack is only commonly-kept in Europe apart from the fallow deer.
Never said anything even hinting at the opposite lol
Depends on what you want to build.
There are pretty much 3 different groups:
1. Everywhere: If you build a zoo in europe that has any kind of body of water it will attract ducks and grey herons, with often some more waterfowl joining them.
Relevant from this category is pretty much only the Mallard Duck and Mute Swan for the purpose of wild animals chilling in the zoo, sometimes even with signage, which are simply glued to european parks with most zoos here also having a park like layout. Honorable mention to all kinds of goose.
2. Only wild park relevant: Wild Parks are a big part of the european zoo landscape as our local species focused zoos. They are plentifull and while not all the same there are 2 major missing species that are missing here, the Wild Boar and the Moufflon, which are found in the vast majority of them, if not borderline all. Otherwise many smaller critters can be found here, everything from martens, otters, wildcats, squirrels, etc with the only 3 non european species that are decently common being racoons, racoon dogs and nutrias as they take in caught wild ones to spare them from being killed.
3. Actually frequently found in big Zoos: While many zoos dont have europe sections, they do allmost allways have european filler animals in between or behind the scenes unless they are extremly themed. The most common are the big names, bear, wolf, wisent, lynx, otters, seals but some that are surprisingly common are the european wild cat with alot of zoos taking care in their rewilding program, red squirrels as most zoos has a rescue to take in orphaned red squirrels and storks, both white and black, aswell as many other european birds like eagle owls, bearded vultures and northern bald ibis.
For actual new areas that are build, most focus on one of 2 areas, the Wadden Sea, a unique biome to the coasts of northern europe which are generally represented with aviarys and seals, or some kind of mountain range, be it the alps, the caucasus or the Pyrenees, with many zoos planing on introducing chamois, alpine ibex, bearded vultures, golden eagles and alpine marmots to their collections.
Another animal currently being introduced rapidly is the european hamster, europes fastest declining mammal. Of the 15 zoos holding them their are 9 that aquired them in the last 3 years, with many more planning to breed them for extensive reintroduction programms.
What we need at this point to make what feels like a realistic typical European zoo is a decent selection of birds and monkeys from around the world
+ Petting zoos
True. At least pygmy goats
I bought all the dlcs so far!!!! I like having the full game. Regardless of the arguments, for a Franchise player, Europe does not have the representative animals in the game! Grizzly, Timber wolf, Bison, are NOT European animals!!! Roe deer is missing the most, Wild boar, Wisent, European brown bear, which is much thinner than a Grizzly, the gray wolf which is different from the American wolf, "Timber", and especially Chamois, the symbol of the Carpathians! Whoever says that Europe is well represented, does not know the fauna of Europe!
I don't think anybody mentioned the grizzly. They mentioned the HBB
And our very own European players said that it's a great representation.
To be honest, all that's truly essential for megafauna seems to be just the boar. We should instead focus on South America, because it's shameful that Europe has more animals than the MOST biodiverse continent in the world