It's time to revisit the PVP rebuy. Distant Ganks 2 makes the point.

Ralph Vargr

Ralph Vargr
Sooden said:
yup

Banned weapons systems < very old thread.. show how long things can take to get into the game lol

Also hatch-braker, can spam them and get past PD, don't even need to get the shield down. Most ships in open don't seem to carry point defence, so with an interdiction, and you get at-least something.
But pirating players that didn't wanna be (i know, no one wants to be) made me feel bad :p as they didn't have anything real worth stealing. Would need an extra game system to make pirating progressive/worthwhile for the pirate apart from self achievement... (pirate rep and unlocks< never gonna happen)

Pirating NPCs is the only progression system, via cash. Player interaction are just for the luls/RP. (Also, wanna get into pirating, start with distress signals... 'ah you here to help...wait what!', you can get in on it, right from the start )


good pirates can stop a ship and there are plenty of tools out there for piracy , would love more, its a fun career.

Even with a sort of 'karma' system for pirating, rewarding some, Shunning others (no access to special items/locations) this will do nothing to change ganking.. or players wanting to run away from an interdiction... be it pirate or not.
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Point defense is the most cost-effective defense in the game. Almost every one of my ships carries one, some *two* (upper, and lower).

I'm not paranoid about Russian missiles. Really. :)
 

Powderpanic

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Powderpanic
Wow this thread is still going

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Powderpanic
The Voice of Griefing
 

Phazon Xenomorph

Phazon Xenomorph
Blast them all down in the void of space, let the scorching heat of the unobscured stars or the icy dark of the all consuming void claim them on their journey! But in all seriousness, go prepared or not at all. Not everyone is friendly in the void. Personally I'd load up on beams then Thargoid enzyme missiles, let them watch their hull disintegrate away (or cook themselves to burn it off) even though the human version isn't as potent as the actual Interceptor one, then again for all intents it might be since most of the explorers are using lightweight hull.

Play in Open and accept the risks. I have, I've been destroyed multiple times as a result of my own ignorance to other players, part of life.
 

Evoflash

Evoflash
I still find it astounding that explorers play in Open. Is it really, honestly the case?

Or has there been a PG infiltration?

As is the norm I'm in a state of relaxed bewilderment at the activities going on around me.
 

Ziggy Stardust

Ziggy Stardust
Evoflash said:
I still find it astounding that explorers play in Open. Is it really, honestly the case?

Or has there been a PG infiltration?

As is the norm I'm in a state of relaxed bewilderment at the activities going on around me.
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I think it's because there are still opportunities to hand in data at the WPs. So many explorers hand in their data and check out what the deal in Open is, suffering only a rebuy. Of course, the amount of explorers present means there's always the exception.

Once the expedition moves beyond civilisation, I think there will be very few CMDRs to be found in Open.
 

sollisb

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Ziggy Stardust said:
I think it's because there are still opportunities to hand in data at the WPs. So many explorers hand in their data and check out what the deal in Open is, suffering only a rebuy. Of course, the amount of explorers present means there's always the exception.

Once the expedition moves beyond civilisation, I think there will be very few CMDRs to be found in Open.
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It'll be a lot better this weekend. Anyone whose anyone has blocked everyone on both lists :)
 

Morbad

Morbad
Evoflash said:
I still find it astounding that explorers play in Open. Is it really, honestly the case?
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I try to play Open exclusively, only utilizing other modes to work around technical issues.

Been tagging along with DW2 and have probably a hundred first discoveries so far.
 

jasonbarron

jasonbarron
Ziggy Stardust said:
Apparently not.

They are willing to travel all those LYs going after soft targets. Hell, I have heard some of them are bringing extra ships with even lower jump range and more damage dealing potential than the one they already got there. All that effort. To do something against their will? Or to "just have something to do" because there is no PvP content?

Pull the other one. They aint fooling anyone except perhaps themselves.

This is the content these players are looking for. This is the content they'll happily crawl through broken glass for, in the hopes a DWE2er will venture in Open. Not a placeholder because they're bored. That's just talk. Their actions speak louder than words :)
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Not sure but perhaps you're referring to me with the lower jump range/higher damage potential comment, but in my case that is certainly what's happening. And the reason for it is due to the presence of some of the folks such as Ziljan & Ashengard riding vanguard, necessitating a legitimate PvP capable vessel. The alternative is to specialize in a ship designed with high jump capability that is not meant intended for PvP at all but rather smashing unshielded targets as rapidly as possible, basically an assassination vehicle. Given the tenacity and quality of a small handful of the defenders I'm opting for a much more straight forward approach; it won't exterminate explorers as efficiently as I would like under optimal conditions, but it will be an extremely unpleasant surprise for any PvPer-lite who thinks he/she is going to save the wagon train.

Moral of the story is that if there were a few more Ziljan's/Ashenguard's out there, the expedition probably could have a chance at discouraging attacks. Those guys really deserve more of the community's respect than they're getting.
 
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Evoflash

Evoflash
Morbad said:
I try to play Open exclusively, only utilizing other modes to work around technical issues.

Been tagging along with DW2 and have probably a hundred first discoveries so far.
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It's just not a risk I'd be prepared to take. I lost a bunch of exploration data to a neutron star back when it was a lot easier to screw up on arrival. It was massive annoyance and I very nearly walked away in disgust at myself. I appreciate that every pilot is different but it seems wreckless to me to risk losing explo data at the hands of a knuckle dragger. I should underscore that by pointing out I'm a terrible pilot and would probably never manage to escape an interdiction or subsequent encounter what with all the panic and flapping at buttons and I simply don't have the game time (haha and ability) needed to gitgud.

Good for you that it works for you though - kudos.
 
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Lightspeed

Lightspeed
This thread (there are others, but it's the latest one) emphasizes why explorers sometimes wish to maximize their jump range at the expense of everything else, to reach the 'unreachable.'

https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php/475168-Help-Needed-For-Explorer-In-CSI-12-17112-Please

Reading it might help 'grief providers' to understand the mindset of deep space explorers, if they ever wish to. Of course, doing that in Open is another issue, unless the explorer intends to meet or accompany someone else.
 
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TheMegaTurnip

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jasonbarron said:
Moral of the story is that if there were a few more Ziljan's/Ashenguard's out there, the expedition probably could have a chance at discouraging attacks. Those guys really deserve more of the community's respect than they're getting.
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Exactly. Not to mention with a little more inclusion and a little less "Just for the explorers" mentality this event could have been much more entertaining for all involved, not to mention safer.

But certain members of the community are much happier constantly stiring the crap pot that things often seem to get lost in translation. Often, it's not even the "griefers" who are guilty of this.
 

Robert Maynard

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Robert Maynard
TheMegaTurnip said:
Exactly. Not to mention with a little more inclusion and a little less "Just for the explorers" mentality this event could have been much more entertaining for all involved, not to mention safer.
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It's an event organised for and by explorers - that others chose to tag along is up to them, however the event was not designed for them.

Feel free to organise an event - and see who turns up.
 

jasonbarron

jasonbarron
TheMegaTurnip said:
Exactly. Not to mention with a little more inclusion and a little less "Just for the explorers" mentality this event could have been much more entertaining for all involved, not to mention safer.

But certain members of the community are much happier constantly stiring the crap pot that things often seem to get lost in translation. Often, it's not even the "griefers" who are guilty of this.
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Just goes to prove that age old saying: you can lead an explorer to water, but you can't make him drink.
 

starman

starman
Deadlock-3000 said:
I mean, credits are already worthless, so you could keep that part of the rebuy cost.

But it never made a lick of sense (except as arbitrary punishment) that you also lose data, missions, bounty vouchers and bonds not yet cashed etc., whether it was a zit-faced seal clubber bunking off uni, or an NPC.
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Data appears to remain after ship loss maybe its backed up to the 'cloud'. Still waiting for cargo insurance to be implemented.
 

starman

starman
Robert Maynard said:
It's an event organised for and by explorers - that others chose to tag along is up to them, however the event was not designed for them.

Feel free to organise an event - and see who turns up.
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I know of some people who turn up to events just because there is the promise of 'free' food.
 
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