Maybe Beatz has a lot more friends than you do to share with. >___>
I've decided to share a great trade route because it feels good!
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Maybe Beatz has a lot more friends than you do to share with. >___>
Wow i can't believe all the negativity I thought I had logged into the Dota boards....
So what if it goes dry. Try out one of the other billion systems they might have a route for you to. I just can't imagine playing this game and only using one trading route... And if you did not like the fact that he shared the route the smart thing to do is not reply to threat and let it dissapear instead you guys keep bumping it to the first age and it just gets seen by more and more people... So yeah.... Negativity for the win!!
So what if it goes dry. Try out one of the other billion systems they might have a route for you to. I just can't imagine playing this game and only using one trading route... And if you did not like the fact that he shared the route the smart thing to do is not reply to threat and let it dissapear instead you guys keep bumping it to the first age and it just gets seen by more and more people... So yeah.... Negativity for the win!!
no not really because its a click away on the internet. Not sure why you guys are so upset over this. I only shared this for fun because it was easy to find. I have found routes on my own that I would not share. You swear like this route is a secret.
Routes are not a secret, but publicized ones become dry in the short term because people flock to them (you are complaining about this yourself on the silk route topic). Why not always share whatever route you are actively trading at, surely you don't mind a few hundred CMDR doing the same route as you?
If you mind sharing the route you currently trade at, the same reason applies for why other CMDRs mind if you share their stable route to the world to be milked dry.
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Anybody that inputs trade data with one of the many trading tools is effectively sharing that route in the public domain. I know from first hand from being the first to enter data from a number of uncharted stations early on in the game, yielding a cracking route - only to find that a day later everybody had descended on it and it dried up.
The OP was in good faith and no different to contributing to a trading tool. Unfortunately it probably won't help that many.
The OP was in good faith and no different to contributing to a trading tool. Unfortunately it probably won't help that many.
It's not "their" route, it's just "a" route. The OP obviously found this too and if he chooses to share it with a friend, with a group of people, or everyone, it's his business and nothing to do with unknown people who may, or may not, be using the route.
Find it really hard to believe anyone has any kind of negative reaction beyond "damn, time to find a new route" on this.
It's not hard to imagine the negative reaction, just think that your action has consequences to others, sometimes negative consequences.
Would publishing a trade route on the forum or Galnet have negative consequence to the commanders already trading on that route? I think the answer is yes and we can all agree on that.
I was THE commander trading for over 3 weeks at XXX location (name of system withheld, as there are commanders still trading there, and even though I made trade Elite, I don't wish them ill consequences, even though they are my competitors) milked over $200M out of it during that 3 weeks. It was stable like hell. Then, one day, it ran dry within 3 hours, and I watched it got consumed about 3000T of gold per 10 minutes. Guess what? Galnet blasted it out in the public for a cheap thrill (the fun only lasted less than 3 hours.... That cheap....)
To be honest, most commanders are not very smart, they left soon.... They see literally a gold mine but couldn't see the potential and couldn't figure out how to trade. It took more than a week for the nearby systems to recover to a tradeable manner. Even then, some smarter commanders stayed to compete with me. Sure, it's now in the public trade DB (I know, I searched it in the DB.) But, 1. Do I ever need the publicity? Every time it gets blared out in the open, it ruins my weekend. What have I ever done to you to deserve it? 2. Evey time it gets blared out in the open, more smarter commanders stay to compete with me. I don't need more competitors. It is inevitable that other commanders will "find" my trade route, but I don't need you to accelerate it!!!
Time to find another trade route? Says easy! You know how hard it is to find such a good trade route? I made trade Elite, and I have never found another route that is remotely close to this one (not the one Beatz publicized, that one is not very good at all)! Just remeber, whenever you publicize a trade route, you potentially ruin some other commanders' weekend!
Do you think you are being generous by publicizing the trade route you outgrew? Yes, you are! But it's built on the bones of other commanders! All in all, it doesn't come out all that positive, does it?
Be considerate to your fellow commanders, even if they are your competitors!
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It mirrors reality - things like this come to light all the time and it's part of the fun of it that the secret gets revealed and can result in a gold rush that breaks what brought everyone there in the first place.
As I said, any commander that outs a route has found it some way himself anyway - whether physically, or been told be another commander - and it belongs to nobody. I can understand people being disappointed, but not angry, or peed off with whoever outed the route, that's just childish IMHO.
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Sure, I agree! But certainly not the use of the word "childish."
Just don't think that you didn't hurt anybody by publicizing a good trade route. It just ain't all positive! And, some doing so just didn't think it could hurt others. I am merely reminding those who did so or will do so in the future that you could be ruining others' hard work. And, they don't appreciate it!
There will always be those who don't mind others getting hurt for whatever they wish to do. Can't solve that problem, nor am I trying that. Ask yourself, are you this kind of person? If the answer is no, then I remind you that publicizing trade routes would hurt others. I am only hoping to stop those who answer no to this question from regreting their action later. If the answer is yes, well, fire away, publicize it, nobody can stop you. There is always a certain percentage of the population who are like that. It's part of the game really. Do you intend to be that part of the game?
The point is more that it's daft and inefficient. If you tell people "HAI GUISE GREAT ROUTE HERE", and a bunch of new players flock to it, you've just sent them to a soon-to dry-dead end. It's actually unhelpful, even if it panders effectively to lowest common denominator mob instincts. Almost everyone has heard the expression "give a man a fish and you feed him for a day; teach a man to fish and you feed him for a lifetime".
Anyone who actually has a vague clue about how the game works, and genuinely wants to help people would avoid simply posting public routes. It's that simple. You'd show them Yokai's guide. You'd show them Thrudd's tool (behave). You'd point them at Slopey's BPC. These will teach them a fish, do them an actual favour, rather than making them reliant on the scant hope of jumping on a published route before it's bled dry.
Posting a route is the path of least resistance and least thought. It's counter-productive because it screws the players that you're "helping" as surely as anyone else. I know that requires a little thought to understand, and isn't compatible with cosy showboating, but it's the smart and helpful thing to do. Lowest common denominator mob behaviour aside, hopefully some people actually care and think enough to take that on-board.
Give a man a light, he's warm today. Set him on fire, he's warm for the rest of his life.
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Fair enough. I still it's much ado about nothing. Some routes will come to light, plenty won't. It all adds to the flavour and having the odd gold rush, boom and bust, will not harm the game at all - it will just add a little variety and colour.
