No! I'm Brian, and so is my wife!
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No! I'm Brian, and so is my wife!
Please guys, you know Naming and Shaming isn't allowed.
I myself had a incident where I was attacked last night at Jameson.
I was in a pretty beefed up Anaconda so ....
Well no actually I didn't know that. I wasn't aware of the naming and shaming rule on the Forums until now. The Community may be assured that I only meant to encourage players to team up - not gank up - and ruthlessly drive the persistent station grankers from Jameson Orbital (whose own NPC defences are demonstrably completely worthless as regards safeguarding players entering and leaving the station). Having said that, I might have known there might be a rule about such announcements as the forums are not completely plastered with them as anyone might expect. I won't be naming anyone again. Not on the forums anyway. I still think the rule's absolute bonkers mad though
I wasn't complaining about being attacked in Open. I was warning people that Jameson Memorial, the Holy Space Station of the Pilot's Federation itself, is infested with ganking griefing station campers and they might want to do something about it. I think that's an excellent use of the forum, and I can't understand why the forum rules discourage it. But posting on forum threads just to tell the poster it's a poor use of the forum; if this thread is such a poor use of the forum then replying to it is an even poorer use. Why even read the thread, let alone reply to it?
There's no such thing as a Safe Place™. Jameson Memorial was supposed to safe. Besides irl any of us could be killed at any moment. A block of frozen urine jettisoned from a passing passenger aeroplane could land on you. You could be kicked to death by donkeys. Anything. The Unexpected is always upon us. If you don't feel safe try going to Church, lighting a candle and praying to the Lord Jesus. It's great. Hallelujah.
Excuse me I know what I'm talking about. I'm talking about gangs hanging around Jameson Memorial encouraging the station defences to obliterate hapless players trying to enter the station. An Imperial Eagle kamikazes the victim as they try to dock, who then picks up WANTED status and gets attacked by the station defences. I call that griefing. Taking advantage of a game mechanic to micturate people off in a MMO. The rest of the gang then join in. I call that ganking. Ganging up on a player in a MMO who has absolutely no defence or recourse. And then I'm talking about Combat-Engineered Anacondas and Cutters hanging around Jameson Memorial obliterating players trying to leave the station. Ganking again. They're not just getting away with it. They're ranking up player kills with it. It's why they do it.
Of course it's not valid gameplay and should be corrected. That's why I started this thread. But it's not being corrected. I only just got back from a 3 month mission to help set up the Colonia Nebula colony, and now I'm back this is what I find. Jameson Memorial is not safe to enter or leave. Never mind what should happen or what the station defences should be doing, What are WE going to do about it?
at this point it's a common knowledge that "named" person and his "named" group (among other groups), are trying to take people out of this "space is safe" idea that most people have. and honestly they are doing exactly the same thing the NPCs do regardless of "why?".
the fact is, if you are being killed, it's 85% of the time because of your powerplay, 10% of the times because there have been psychotic people for all recorded history and there is no reason it will magically stop in 3302 (and please spare me the "PVPers are irl rapists"), and 5% of the times because you are a combatlogger and a cheater e.g. you have no right to complain (if you cant handle the open game just go to mobius or somthing).
i was with this named person in a wing, cant recall seeing OP i might have came later on but i did kill 3 people, 1 for being a combat logger, 2nd for using the cascade meta, and 3rd just because. so here you have it. our reasons to camp a station (disclamer: i dont belong to the "named" group but i do fly with them often. feel free to put me on you KOS, though i'm probably be the one doing the interdictions).
but realy i want to ask you this, if you got a problem why not just squad up against them or me or whoever? it's what we do, we'd all actualy appriciate it, you wont be hunted down more than you already are. i love the rush and the challange and believe me that the PVPers didnt get that good by complaining on the forums, hoarding their money and combatlogging. just man up, get a good ship with good gear and die a whole bunch of times till your back in a adder but have enough experience and skill to take down a corvette. all the guys in my squad at this point i met in combat, either fighting along side with them in a random wingup or against them in a casual PVP. try it, and see that you will like it. and you just whant your safe space just go in to mobius, if it wont be "them" or "us" it will just be some one else.
- CMDR HOBO w/ Fragcannon
the fact is, if you are being killed, it's 85% of the time because of your powerplay, 10% of the times because there have been psychotic people for all recorded history and there is no reason it will magically stop in 3302 (and please spare me the "PVPers are irl rapists"), and 5% of the times because you are a combatlogger and a cheater e.g. you have no right to complain (if you cant handle the open game just go to mobius or somthing).
i was with this named person in a wing, cant recall seeing OP i might have came later on but i did kill 3 people, 1 for being a combat logger, 2nd for using the cascade meta, and 3rd just because. so here you have it. our reasons to camp a station (disclamer: i dont belong to the "named" group but i do fly with them often. feel free to put me on you KOS, though i'm probably be the one doing the interdictions).
but realy i want to ask you this, if you got a problem why not just squad up against them or me or whoever? it's what we do, we'd all actualy appriciate it, you wont be hunted down more than you already are. i love the rush and the challange and believe me that the PVPers didnt get that good by complaining on the forums, hoarding their money and combatlogging. just man up, get a good ship with good gear and die a whole bunch of times till your back in a adder but have enough experience and skill to take down a corvette. all the guys in my squad at this point i met in combat, either fighting along side with them in a random wingup or against them in a casual PVP. try it, and see that you will like it. and you just whant your safe space just go in to mobius, if it wont be "them" or "us" it will just be some one else.
- CMDR HOBO w/ Fragcannon
So lets break this down, because you obviously don't know what you're talking about.
1: Griefing is the targeted harassment of a specific player or group of players over time to block their progress or push them away from the game entirely. Very little of what goes on in Elite is actually legit griefing.
2: Every player has a set of options in these station camping scenarios.
2a: Switch modes if notice someone(s) loitering outside of the mail slot.
2b: USE YOUR THROTTLE YOU MORONS. The speed limit was put in place to stop station ramming since it was the only way to bypass station security and secure a gank kill. Play stupid games, win stupid prizes, how about following the rules Frontier implemented after the forums cried out the first time station camping was a problem.
3: There is no "ranking up" of player kills in this game. A leaderboard or kill tracking feature was entirely left out solely to avoid situations where players would vie to be the top player killer of all time.
4: There's a difference between a <family forum and swear box>. Learn it.
Frontier has their work cut out for them but I highly doubt they'll ever make any spaces in open a "safe space" for players to congregate without fear of actions from unlawful commanders.
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9% hull imperial Eagle just tried (and miserably failed to ramdeath me at Jameson). CMDR name was something to do with a Line and a colour - Master combat rank.
Got a shadowplay I may post to reddit later, it was quite funny because I was looking right at him (stationary) then he went silent and tried to move behind me. I tracked him for a good 60 seconds+ before laughing to myself and heading out under the speed limit. A short while later I hear an explosion and "target destroyed - 1 contact lost".
Would have laughed some more but then joined a fuel rat rescue so had to move out fairly quickly.
Got a shadowplay I may post to reddit later, it was quite funny because I was looking right at him (stationary) then he went silent and tried to move behind me. I tracked him for a good 60 seconds+ before laughing to myself and heading out under the speed limit. A short while later I hear an explosion and "target destroyed - 1 contact lost".
Would have laughed some more but then joined a fuel rat rescue so had to move out fairly quickly.
I think one of the Lave Radio guys perfectly summed up the answer to this during their SDC interview following the Mobius incursion ...
"because they don't want to play with you"
It's like bullies in a playground disturbing the quiet game of chess that's going on in the corner. Why try and involve them in your thing?
They do not want to play with you!
And as for that nonsense the SDC keep rolling out about trying to make a point re: Open being dangerous or whatever ... purrrrlease, it's tosh.
than you are plying the wrong game my friend, this game have guns, hatch breakers and wing options, they are there for me to use it rather you like it or not. it is you decision to call me a bully but the fact stays that i use what the game have to offer me, while you decide to use only half of it and complain about the other. you wanna play chess? go ahead, but we are in the same play ground and we want to play WWE so dont be surprised that a chair hit you on the head.
and about the " we dont want to play with you" - than go away to mobius. it's you that is being annoyed im perfectly fine here, and your moaning is not helping anyone here
your claim that open play should be a safe space while PVP and piracy are game mechanic is childish, we all need to play your game because you decided that you dont want PVP, keep all your cargo or whatever you doing, and stay in open. so sorry to break this to you mate, but it is your decision to stay on open and trust me no body is going to stop killing because you cant deal with it. on on this same "bully" i can say the same thing about your privet groups - you dominate the BGS in insane numbers and effect mine and many other factions game without us being able to stop you or do anything to counter it, thats bullying!
You were doing pretty well until you brought up the BGS. All you have to do to counter the BGS activities of others is to, do BGS stuff. That's it. Your counter is exactly where you left it; in your hands.
With the option to choose the environment you prefer, Solo, Private Group, and open, each player has a method to control their exposure. It's incumbent on the player to choose what Mode they wish to use for that session, and except the limitation and benefits that choice provides.
so you want to tell me that small groups of 10~ can handle against groups of 150+ in the BGS? i disagree, my group was asked in the past to help out a group in our coalition in a case like that. lets just say we wasted about a week of gameplay on the operation just to get pushed out of the expension by ghosts. and it wasnt even a case of invasion. not fair on my book
No, I can't promise that a small group will be able to counter a larger force, but you wouldn't be able to do that in Open either. A larger group would still swamp you. 150 to one, is not Solo/PG's fault.
I think you will find they don't want to play with you though, they derive their satisfaction/social currency/reputation from disrupting your "game of chess". My advice would be for all these commanders to get together in their warships, gang up and crush him like a can...several times. Or you can pretend you are "playing chess in the playground", and get bullied all night.
Good job on the forum account. Now teleport the guy to Jaques Station in a Sidewinder with no access to the shipyard.
Yeah, but because the BGS cannot be controlled by pew-pew, and I like a bit of pew-pew myself, you will always hear the same argument trotted out. "It isn't fair, they do the BGS in solo/Möbius/whatever..."
Oh, the salt.
I honestly don't think they are all salty about this though, some of them really do just want to play the BGS through PvP combat, and are not actually interested in mining tears. SOME of them. It behooves us to recognize those as legitimate players, especially when we compare them to genuine sadists.
Point taken. Those that want to play the BGS through PvP have that option. Those that do not, have a similar option. We should be able to find that arrangement as the best available and move on. The idea that those who want PvP are hindered by some that don't is absurd.
thats a fair point. but much like in PVP i would rather at least go down fighting and not bending over and accepting the situation. but this is realy off topic anyway, and was just for making a point, may be not a good one compering the two. but my bottom line stays the same. you cant expact people to stop doing something just because you dont like that WHILE having the option to solve the situation. if you ask me, the killing that the named group is doing eventualy is beneficial. i dont recall any time in this game when so many people where actualy fighting back and even squading up against them and others. this right there is what open is all about, it spices up the game for anyone willing to take the risk in open
Absolutely fair.
I play in Open, so I am probably more cheeky about the salt-miners than I would be otherwise. Problem is with BGS combat related stuff is that the only arena is when two factions are at war. And even then, both sides have to agree to do the CZ's in Open, and both sides have to keep their word! And even then, there is no guarantee that 3rd parties aren't getting involved without telling anybody.
It makes sense, then, that most BGS work is not really combat related, other than bounty hunting or killing system authority.
And then, of course, there is instancing. Oh, the bitter tears!
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Hey Stupid Hippy, i'll have some
Was at JM this after noon. here my experience.
Cmdr You know the one SDC member, He out side in his big boy Conda with Heat seekers Pris shields etc. Bad boy 2 is in an Eagle. Y'all know this muppet too! Eagle has no shields and is wizzing around.
Me in my mission Python goes out of JM doing a bit over the speed limit 120 to be exact, Mr Oddball in the Eagle starts clipping me, of course i don't notice these tiny bumps, then i suppose when his hull is down to next to nothing he rams me, he dies, i become wanted, and bad muppet 2 starts to open fire inside the so called no fire zone, (Why do FD call it that when it should be called something like 'The fire all you want as the station will do knack all about it Zone').
So iboost out and get away, but am now up for murder, but remember my only crime legally is speeding 20Mps above the limit, but as his ship hit me 3 times and edjit 1 died i have a bounty. No issue, i go to Bunda, cash in all the Data i have, sell the cargo, buy a sidey, go back to JM, get scanned by the Security, get killed by them and no bounty.
I go back out in mu shieldless, weapon less d class sidy to watch these moron do it again and again and again to unsuspecting Cmdrs. I put piu a local broadcast warning Cmdrs, but they see me and of course the big bad conda unleashes hell on me and i die, back out again, this tome they have swapped Muppet 2 now become Muppet 1 and vica versa Odd balls very nearly his name, is now just outside the slot firing rockets at Cmdrs coming out. Of course the Station does...............................KNACK ALL, but finally there mum must have called them in for tea as they high tale it out of there. They did get scanned and where both chased out the system by the Security.
Why oh Why does the station not fire at ANYBODY who fire in the no fire zone??
FD, i am not moaning at these Muppets actions, i can handle it, but really guys you need to sort out Crime and in particular PUNISHMENT!
Me, ok some might say i was speeding, i was hands up, that not my moan here although i have tried to 100MPS in and out of the no fire zone and it is Mind Numbing, anyone who can out hand on heart and says they stick to the limit religiously is telling Porkies, or they lead a boring ED Life.
So beware......