JP era is very limited and disappointing

After finishing the campaign I started a new challenge mode on the 1993 map of Nublar Island and only 24 dinosaurs in the campaign can be incubated. It is very disappointing and annoying. I do not get it. All dinosaurs should be available for digging. Nor are Dr.Wu's genes.

I understand perfectly that there are fewer buildings (although there should be one of Paleobotany because Ellie is dedicated to that) but it is unforgivable that there are so few dinosaurs to hatch in this era. Come on Frontier, we were supposed to mix the dinosaurs of the two ages.
 
After finishing the campaign I started a new challenge mode on the 1993 map of Nublar Island and only 24 dinosaurs in the campaign can be incubated. It is very disappointing and annoying. I do not get it. All dinosaurs should be available for digging. Nor are Dr.Wu's genes.

I understand perfectly that there are fewer buildings (although there should be one of Paleobotany because Ellie is dedicated to that) but it is unforgivable that there are so few dinosaurs to hatch in this era. Come on Frontier, we were supposed to mix the dinosaurs of the two ages.

Where did they promise you could mix? Isn't it just a DLC with dinosaurs, buildings etc from the original JP movie?
 
Where did they promise you could mix? Isn't it just a DLC with dinosaurs, buildings etc from the original JP movie?
I was aware that buildings could not be mixed, but dinosaurs? What reason is there for not being able to incubate a Diplodocus in the JP era? It is absurd and indefensible.
 
I was aware that buildings could not be mixed, but dinosaurs? What reason is there for not being able to incubate a Diplodocus in the JP era? It is absurd and indefensible.
In sandbox mode you can incubate all dinosaurs, maybe not the campaign where you incubate only JP dinos.
 
I was aware that buildings could not be mixed, but dinosaurs? What reason is there for not being able to incubate a Diplodocus in the JP era? It is absurd and indefensible.

It's not that big of a deal. There are plenty of dinosaurs you can incubate. Obviously Diplodocus wasn't seen in any of the movies and it wasn't even mentioned in the two novels. You can get other sauropods. I just played through the Claire's Sanctuary DLC and if you think this DLC is a terrible restriction on dinosaurs then go play the Sanctuary DLC. It's awful in comparison as far as available dinosaurs are concerned.
 
It's not that big of a deal. There are plenty of dinosaurs you can incubate. Obviously Diplodocus wasn't seen in any of the movies and it wasn't even mentioned in the two novels. You can get other sauropods. I just played through the Claire's Sanctuary DLC and if you think this DLC is a terrible restriction on dinosaurs then go play the Sanctuary DLC. It's awful in comparison as far as available dinosaurs are concerned.
Claire's DLC is a campaign. I am not criticizing that. What I criticize is that in the Challenge Mode you cannot have all the dinosaurs to incubate. The JP campaign has 24 dinosaurs available. I don't discuss that, but Challenge Mode must have everything to dig and investigate regardless of the era. I also don't understand that you have to complete contracts in Challenge Mode to unlock things. It's as if they had copied and pasted the characteristics of the campaign for Challenge Mode.


In Sandbox Mode it is possible and in Challenge no. The reason? There is no reason.
 
Claire's DLC is a campaign. I am not criticizing that. What I criticize is that in the Challenge Mode you cannot have all the dinosaurs to incubate. The JP campaign has 24 dinosaurs available. I don't discuss that, but Challenge Mode must have everything to dig and investigate regardless of the era. I also don't understand that you have to complete contracts in Challenge Mode to unlock things. It's as if they had copied and pasted the characteristics of the campaign for Challenge Mode.


In Sandbox Mode it is possible and in Challenge no. The reason? There is no reason.

My best guess is like PCMR already told you. The dinosaurs in the new DLC are Jurassic Park dinosaurs and are hold up against the canon. In sandbox of course everything should be available. But challenge mode is like the title says, supposed to be challenging... So I can understand why they only added canon dinosaurs. I don't care if they add the rest though. Doesn't do anything for me personally.
 
Agreed 100℅ I always enjoyed challenge mode and was looking forward to Sorna 93 but I'm not touching it with this unnecessarily small roster. Buildings I can live without but I want all the dinosaurs not just a few.
 
I believe if you want all the dinosaurs in challenge mode, just play the Jurassic World era. Personally, I think it's reasonable that you only have access to pre-Jurassic World era dinosaurs. It doesn't make sense to me to have non-canon dinosaurs or Jurassic World era dinosaurs in the JP era. However, in sandbox mode, that's a different story. We should 100% be allowed to mix the era's and have the full roster in sandbox mode.
 
I believe if you want all the dinosaurs in challenge mode, just play the Jurassic World era. Personally, I think it's reasonable that you only have access to pre-Jurassic World era dinosaurs. It doesn't make sense to me to have non-canon dinosaurs or Jurassic World era dinosaurs in the JP era. However, in sandbox mode, that's a different story. We should 100% be allowed to mix the era's and have the full roster in sandbox mode.

In sandbox mode it is possible. It is still an unjustified limit since they don't even comment on them like the main staff.
The entire 1993 scenario is a "what if" outside canon.
 
Edmontosaurus is canon to the Lost World. There is a skull visible in the rex nest. It's missing from the JP era roster though.

There are other dinosaurs which one might consider soft canon that appeared in other JP games. Dinosaurs such as Troodon, Albertosaurus, Carcharodontosaurus, Homalocephale and such.
 
I can understand why they only added cannon dinosaurs as well. Perhaps their interpretation was, "It's a JP Era Challenge, and not a Challenge with JP Themed buildings." This does makes sense; however, I find it chaffs the creative play-style of Challenge Mode. Challenge Mode is after all a non cohesive (doesn't fall within a campaign's limitations), creative mode just like Sandbox. The only real difference between Sandbox and Challenge Mode is that Challenge Mode requires that I deal with the management aspect of the game. If I wanted to play a Challenge Mode with JP Era dinosaurs, then I could do that myself without the express limitation provided. Further, I could ensure that cannon dinosaurs like Edmontosaurus are included in my builds.

To Surmise, I think the JP Era Challenge Mode limitations are an understandable, yet silly, limitation in a play mode that doesn't follow a timeline like Sandbox.

I'd also express that for Sandbox players, I understand how important it is for all dinosaurs to be available in Sandbox, but I'd suggest that you consider how impactful it would be to your play style if Sandbox had the same limitation. Personally, I am glad that the full roaster is available in Sandbox, and I feel that it should be available in Challenge Mode as well.
 
So you'd all agree that JP Challenge mode needs Dr Wu Research (excluding Advanced Storm Defence) & full dino roster?

I think this is self explanatory. If we believe the full dino roaster should be available in Challenge Mode because it is an independent play mode not tied to any campaign, then I'd say that Dr Wu should be available as well. I think in this play mode, the onus should be on the player to determine what they want to include in their parks.
 
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Okay I did some checking.

The dinosaurs/pterosaurs we have in JP era challenge are the following 25:

  • Ankylosaurus
  • Apatosaurus
  • Baryonyx
  • Brachiosaurus
  • Ceratosaurus
  • Compsognathus
  • Corythosaurus
  • Dilophosaurus
  • Dryosaurus
  • Euoplocephalus
  • Gallimimus
  • Herrerasaurus
  • Maiasaura
  • Mamenchisaurus
  • Metriacanthosaurus
  • Pachycephalosaurus
  • Parasaurolophus
  • Proceratosaurus
  • Spinosaurus
  • Stegosaurus
  • Styracosaurus
  • Triceratops
  • Tyrannosaurus rex
  • Velociraptor
  • Pteranodon

If we consider for a moment the restrictions to be a good thing, this is not the complete list of canon JP dinosaurs that are in the game already. Some on the current list don't even appear to be strictly canon. Dryosaurus and Maiasaura are just from the novels and games right? On sorta side note, the raptor squad is available in JP challenge mode as well. So much for an accurate depiction of the era. That kinda throws the whole era appropriate idea out the window. But I will ignore that for the moment.

Dinosaurs that we know were present during any of the first three films. These should be available to use in the JP era.
  • Edmontosaurus annectens present as a skull in TLW (though technically the JWE Edmontosaurus is E. regalis instead of E. annectens. Maybe that's why it didn't make the list?)
  • Carnotaurus (it's on InGen's list and according to the wiki it was cloned.)
  • Troodon (apparently it was indeed present according to the Dinosaur Protection Group.)

Dinosaurs that are on InGen's list that we know they worked on but might not have been completed for cloning. There is a good case to make we should have these since JP was working on them and the DLC is a what if scenario. We complete the genomes ourselves in the game anyway. So Imo these are era appropriate.
  • Allosaurus (incomplete genome)
  • Suchomimus (incomplete genome)

List of dinosaurs that have appeared in games of JP era. A case could be made that these are era appropriate as well since they are not strictly canon but have already been associated with the JP era before.
  • Acrocanthosaurus
  • Albertosaurus
  • Allosaurus
  • Camarasaurus
  • Carcharodontosaurus
  • Homalocephale
  • Kentrosaurus
  • Ouranosaurus
  • Torosaurus

And it appears we're not missing any other novel dinosaurs that haven't been mentioned already.

So this leaves these dinosaurs that one would consider to be not appropriate for JP era. Although some of them have only appeared in this game and you could say they belong in JP era as much as JW era since they have connection to neither (like Nigersaurus or Iguanodon). The hybrids are also on this list ofc, which really don't fit with JP era. Some of these dinosaurs had not been discovered historically during the time the JP films took place (such as Nasutoceratops, which was named in 2013)
  • Ankylodocus (hybrid)
  • Archaeornithomimus
  • Chasmosaurus
  • Chungkingosaurus
  • Crichtonsaurus
  • Deinonychus
  • Diplodocus
  • Dracorex
  • Dreadnoughtus
  • Giganotosaurus
  • Gigantspinosaurus
  • Huayangosaurus
  • Iguanodon
  • Indominus rex (hybrid)
  • Indoraptor (hybrid)
  • Majungasaurus
  • Muttaburrasaurus
  • Nasutoceratops
  • Nigersaurus
  • Nodosaurus
  • Olorotitan
  • Pentaceratops
  • Polacanthus
  • Sauropelta
  • Sinoceratops
  • Spinoraptor (hybrid)
  • Stegoceratops (hybrid)
  • Struthiomimus
  • Stygimoloch
  • Tsintaosaurus

So even if we keep the "era appropriate" restrictions, there are still some dinosaurs to be added.
Let me know if I made a mistake anywhere on these lists or if I missed anything.

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Edmontosaurus is canon to the Lost World. There is a skull visible in the rex nest. It's missing from the JP era roster though.

There are other dinosaurs which one might consider soft canon that appeared in other JP games. Dinosaurs such as Troodon, Albertosaurus, Carcharodontosaurus, Homalocephale and such.

But no one saw an Edmontosaurus walking around in the movie. 98% of the people who watched the movie didn't notice the skull in the Rex nest.
 
I have no problem with not having access to all Dinosaurs in the dlc campaign.Sandbox and challenge mode are the important ones.At least for me.I don't play campaigns beyond the unlockables.

I would have liked more buildings.Like viewing galleries or something we haven't seen yet.Something completely new.

All in all i love the dlc.
 
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