Just don't feel like logging in...

[Altissimus]

I must admit I'm not sure about ED at the moment.

This isn't a "bye, I'm outta here, toys-thrown-outta-pram-door-slammed" good bye. I'm just bemused about the game, and don't much feel like playing it right now.

To set a scene: Beta backer. Played a bit, not too much, wanted to see where it would go. Played a little Gamma, thought there would be a wipe, didn't have much time to play once I'd realised there wasn't, so started on the 16th with approx the same as everyone else. Now sitting on about 200M/cr, courtesy of a t9 and a hefty time spent trading.

I've done some mining, bounty hunting, smuggling and trading. I've not played 12 hour days. I've mostly played 1-2 hours a day, on the days I have played. I haven't exactly spent every waking moment in the game. I say this to illustrate that I'm not "burned out".

I just....don't see the point right now.

Trading is a grind, and I've done quite a lot of it, and no longer enjoy it.

Fair enough, do something else.

But what?

Here is some feedback. Two points:

1) The first MAJOR issue that I have with ED is that there's no point to any of it, no goals beyond what you set yourself. And that's like looking down at your kitchen floor and deciding you will spend the next hour deliberately stepping on every corner of every tile, as a self-imposed objective, and calling it fun. It's a kitchen sandbox where you can play the way you want to play. Which is fun. Right.

So I set myself an objective to hit 200Mcr. Done that. It allows me to buy pretty much any ship in the game (excluding the 'Conda, really) and play it. But play it to do what?

I don't want to BH. It's pew pew without a purpose.
I don't feel an urge to explore. There's 400 billion uncharted stars out there, and when I've finished exploring them for hours, scanning the same old stuff again and again, there'll still be 400 billion uncharted stars out there (plus or minus a few).
I don't feel an urge to mine. No, that's not true. I've done some mining. I feel an urge to go and clean my kitchen before I do any more mining. Ever.
I don't want to be a jerk and turn pirate.
I've been-there-done-that on trading.
I deliberately haven't pursued naval mission ranks because there is no content there. I thought I would wait to see what story missions and rank content will (eventually, ultimately, many, many updates from now) be introduced, and enjoy playing them when they are. There is no value to be had in the ranks (as I see it) at this point, so no point playing the missions. I don't need a Clipper. I might get one anyway, but go no further. Perhaps. If I can be bothered.

I want some MISSIONS (that have a point and aren't repetitive drivel). I want a STORY (at least a skeleton of one). I want a PURPOSE.

And ED doesn't really have any of that.

And poorly implemented "community missions" or landing on planets won't give it any, either.

2) The second MAJOR issue that I have with ED is that it actually all feels a bit false. A bit of a lie. A bit of under-delivered promises and smoke-and-mirrors to cover holes.

Players do NOT have influence (e.g. Lugh) - FDev had to add that in after the event when there was an outcry that nothing had happened.
Players' rep activities do NOT influence environments. Much testing has been done.
Players' trading activities do NOT influence the market.
NPCs play to different rules (e.g. FSD under mass lock)
NPCs turn up in stations where there were none before...
NPCs turn up in random cruise-dropouts in mining belts where there were none before...

....it's all a bit cheaty. A bit botched. A bit....crap, really.

Basically, the ED world exists irrespective of whatever we, the players, do within it. So what's the point of doing anything?


In before
#it'snotthegameforyou
#I'mstillplayingandIthinkit'sgreatandeveryonewhodoesn'tthinksodoesn'tgethegame
#it'sstillinbeta


TL;DR

Like many others, I'd love ED to be successful. But, to be successful, it has to be a whole lot more than it currently is.

More content.
More soul.
More polish.
More interaction.

Right now, it falls a very, very long way short of that.

Right now, it simply isn't fun to play.

A.


P.s. Awesome sounds though. Best sounds in-game evaaa.

 

[Kramster]

You have paid for the game so putting it to one side and returning a few months down the line might be the answer. Many of your points are valid but some seem to be a result of mindset not the actual game. You obviously want to enjoy it and given time it will grow and hopefully in the directions you hope for, until then take a break. I am in an alpha for another game and play it alongside ED so I get a change of scenery which is nice sometimes, if I ever get bored of ED I know I can always come back to it.

 

[Space Lord Mother]

I don't feel an urge to explore. There's 400 billion uncharted stars out there, and when I've finished exploring them for hours, scanning the same old stuff again and again, there'll still be 400 billion uncharted stars out there (plus or minus a few).

Ha, good quote. Hit the nail on head there.

Look you say you are not burned out but maybe you are. I have moments with games where I reach a bit of a wall and put them down. But something inexplicable draws me back. You need that and the only way to get it is put it down and see what happens.

Your post has the virtue of being much less whiny than most of these types. Don't feel bad for not wanting to play it EVERY day.

I played bounty hunter for the first month before tiring and deciding to go exploring. But on my way out of civilized space I decided to do some trading to try and work up to an Asp. The freedom of choice is liberating but not everyone can handle having that lack of structure.

I agree with some of your smoke and mirror points but I accept that the game is only just ready and expect FD will bring those in over time. That is what will keep me going, the constant additions.

Hope you don't lose your way.

 

[sneakyfrog]

i feel you.. its a decent bones to it.

but yeah.. you have to make your own story.

 

[Yank31]

When will people understand that's it's not an MMO, not a solo game, not a mission-based game, not a sandbox as you know them, not a story-driven title either, not a... err sorry, I lost myself there, what was I saying?

Oh yeah, well I don't feel like logging in either. Sadly.


edit: actually i played some dota2 instead tonight, lost every games. But it was great fun nonetheless ^^

 

[kurush]

Players' trading activities do NOT influence the market.

So, it is *you* we have to thank for the recent server change where the market influence kicked in full speed and killed most trade routes? May I ask you to stay away at least from forums, please?

 

[DextersIndignation]

I have waited 30 years for this game. So have many others. We all had dreams of what this game would be. We have waited and waited, we have bought in before the sequels, foft, bsgo even eve. We have waited...

Then we hear the news elite will be back, we call our mates from 30 yrs prior hoping it will be all we wanted but....

I have had 30 yrs of dreams. You guys have had 30 yrs of dreams.

There is nothing that could possibly live up to the ideas and hopes each and everyone of us has longed for...

But...

The OP is right.
The game could have a great future. I would love it too, but it just doesn't seem to hit the mark.

FD have made the problem worse by releasing the game too early, I understand that they had to release before xmas, but this?
FD have only a limited budget, I understand that but many of the bugs could be so easily fixed.

I ma the only one left of my mates still playing only a month after release! This does not bode well.

Any criticism of the game leads to the MOD's deleting posts, cheating is rampant and when there is an event of any size, they kill it (The SL run) even the haters now miss the one system where they could have fun.

It will get better, sure. But how many will be left. This game needs a certain amount of players to work. It needs a certain amount of income. Elite deserves to be success, though not like this.


We waited, we got this. Its the best there is at the minute, but what is to stop another company creating a rival and learning from the mistakes FD made?

The OP's post is how many feel, ask around on TS.

I can state this is the best "Elite" type game around, but really is this the best they can do?

 

[Eidolon]

I can totally get what you are saying OP.
I have begun to feel the same way myself with virtually all of the points you have raised. I am having a bit of a break from the game and will be back soon with the intention of seeing how it has all been fleshed out. Not so much burned out but more sort of burned through the content thats available and thirsty for more things when they become available.
I quite like ED overall but several things in its overall design and implementation leave me wondering if this is the remake of the game I loved as a nipper!

 

[martinwright6]

Feeling the same way as you guys, as sad as I am to say it. Still, a world with a modern Elite is a better world.

 

[pdizzle]

Sadly, I'm there, too. Tried doing some faction work with missions, nothing. Did pirating, nice way to meet folks (not a , don't go for a kill, I go for the cargo hold if nothing can be negotiated over comms). Tried a bit of exploring... got really bored with that fast... You're right; the best way to describe it is soulless. It's got the 1984esk feel to it still with text for everything, no real NPC chatter... It feels very empty. I want it to be so, so much more.

Edit: I'm also afraid that the real soul of the game is going to come with paid expansions, which is really going to make me sad... I hope not, but I have a feeling that's where content is going to pop up. At least there's no man's sky to look forward to and be disappointed by!

 

[Skellen]

I have waited 30 years for this game. So have many others. We all had dreams of what this game would be. We have waited and waited

I would of gladly waited another 6 months......
I'm a kickstarter backer, and I really wasn't expecting them to release it until sometime this year (end of the year to be honest)
I have no idea what it cost's to make a game like this, but I really think they had enough funds to hold off for at least another 6 months before they released this shell of a game.
Don't get me wrong, I love the game but to me it's still beta testing.
I really would like to hear what the Devs think of the feedback that the backers are giving.

 

[Valethar]

Players' rep activities do NOT influence environments. Much testing has been done.

That is patently false. We were able to prove that quite effectively over the course of the last week or so between Beta Sculptoris and Tenche. In Tenche especially, we were able to alter the boom status enough to keep in perpetual simply by changing which stations we traded from and did missions out of. It was one of the factors behind FD adjusting how Lux traders spawn during boom states.

I do, however, agree with much of what you wrote. There is a lot of work yet to be done to give it that 'solid' feel. I hope they're up to the task, I'd hate to see this tank and go away, especially given the demise of the offline mode.

 

[Ghostickles]

Ive been there for weeks, and was hoping the new beta would offer a respite, but its pretty much looks like more of the same....
Too bad the most Beta feedback is 'python, python, python'. I don't think the devs will find it too useful.
.
Yeah, and I called it back in gamma, this game will hit my wallet again before hitting any jollies.
Good luck with that, FD, btw.

 

[TerrorTrooper]

I'm in the same boat!
Don't get me wrong, I love the game!mits an amazing framework! The core framework is everything I hoped it would be.
The potential for this game is mind boggling!

However....

I have a fully kitted out multi-role asp, a combat cobra, and a trading type 7 that has some teeth and about 40 mil cash.
I've been mining, I've been bounty hunting, I've got stuck into a few war zones too., ive also done a 20,000 ly 'quick run around the block' exploring.
I can't advance much further with military ranks as missions are so few and far between there a pain to find, and generic bulletin noard missions are just.. So 1990. And I've endured the grind that is trading for more than enough to acquire my aproximate 100 mil worth.

It's not that I struggle to set my own sights, I'm just struggling to find anything to set my sights on!
The game is just so basic at the moment that it's becoming boring.

I hoped the rapid updating and patching during late beta/gamma would continue, but it's been nearly two months now and not a lot has changed.

 

[Twelvefield]

Feeling the same way as you guys, as sad as I am to say it. Still, a world with a modern Elite is a better world.

I'm newer to this game, but certainly not Elite, which I played until my stick broke back in the day. My personal challenge is to become a better pilot. Every day, I improve at going from station to station without using flight assists. Maybe that interests you? I stay up nights thinking about piloting.

 

[Tronicus]

Been here since Beta, and feel the exact same way. I'm sitting in a 90 million credit python with another 25 million in the bank. And there is simply nothing to do. There is no sense of accomplishment, no sense of community ( in game), and no forseeable goals to reach. With each patch and update, I eagerly read the notes, hoping for something that is worth while. Nada. nothin. zip. Mr Braeben created a great game. Unfortunately he created a game that was almost identical to a game he worked on 30 years ago. Things change. expectations change. Apparently he felt that a rehash of the old game would suffice, and he is terribly terribly wrong. This game was released immediately after they went public with their company, and I am sure all that cash made everything look really good on the books, I wish they would have stuck it out longer, and released a more comprehensive game.

Once again I find myself shaking my head, wondering if any game company out there will ever produce a comprehensive sandbox space sim. I will continue to play of course, but I am now taking a much much harder look at Star Citizen, and about ready to pin my hopes on it. I have serious doubts that Elite will be anywhere near what SC is shaping up to be, even given a year and a half head start. We will see what happens with SC, it has yet to deliver anything other than a shell and a LOT of promises.

I will continue to play. I will continue to enjoy what this game has to offer, and I will continue to hope that one of my favorite games I have ever played in 40 years of video games grows and evolves into something that is worth playing a year from now.

 

[DextersIndignation]

Feeling the same way as you guys, as sad as I am to say it. Still, a world with a modern Elite is a better world.

Love this!
It is true!
But ONLY JUST!

I would of gladly waited another 6 months......
I'm a kickstarter backer, and I really wasn't expecting them to release it until sometime this year (end of the year to be honest)
I have no idea what it cost's to make a game like this, but I really think they had enough funds to hold off for at least another 6 months before they released this shell of a game.
Don't get me wrong, I love the game but to me it's still beta testing.
I really would like to hear what the Devs think of the feedback that the backers are giving.

Most of the feedback is from shrills and sockpuppets (This is VERY worring - If FD are wasting money paying people to hype up stuff, that moeny would be better spent sorting out the game) But much feedback is deleted! I had a one post delted for saying this is not an "Early Access" game... I had the "gall" to say that this is an official release. The mod did not like that! (I thought the game was released in December). I wonder if that is company policy now?

Ive been there for weeks, and was hoping the new beta would offer a respite, but its pretty much looks like more of the same....
Too bad the most Beta feedback is 'python, python, python'. I don't think the devs will find it too useful.
.
Yeah, and I called it back in gamma, this game will hit my wallet again before hitting any jollies.
Good luck with that, FD, btw.

There does seem to be a "Viper Elite" that are vocal about the python nerf, but what happens to them, when the viper is hit?

 

[Rog]

I must admit I'm not sure about ED at the moment.

This isn't a "bye, I'm outta here, toys-thrown-outta-pram-door-slammed" good bye. I'm just bemused about the game, and don't much feel like playing it right now.

Spoiler

To set a scene: Beta backer. Played a bit, not too much, wanted to see where it would go. Played a little Gamma, thought there would be a wipe, didn't have much time to play once I'd realised there wasn't, so started on the 16th with approx the same as everyone else. Now sitting on about 200M/cr, courtesy of a t9 and a hefty time spent trading.

I've done some mining, bounty hunting, smuggling and trading. I've not played 12 hour days. I've mostly played 1-2 hours a day, on the days I have played. I haven't exactly spent every waking moment in the game. I say this to illustrate that I'm not "burned out".

I just....don't see the point right now.

Trading is a grind, and I've done quite a lot of it, and no longer enjoy it.

Fair enough, do something else.

But what?

Here is some feedback. Two points:

1) The first MAJOR issue that I have with ED is that there's no point to any of it, no goals beyond what you set yourself. And that's like looking down at your kitchen floor and deciding you will spend the next hour deliberately stepping on every corner of every tile, as a self-imposed objective, and calling it fun. It's a kitchen sandbox where you can play the way you want to play. Which is fun. Right.

So I set myself an objective to hit 200Mcr. Done that. It allows me to buy pretty much any ship in the game (excluding the 'Conda, really) and play it. But play it to do what?

I don't want to BH. It's pew pew without a purpose.
I don't feel an urge to explore. There's 400 billion uncharted stars out there, and when I've finished exploring them for hours, scanning the same old stuff again and again, there'll still be 400 billion uncharted stars out there (plus or minus a few).
I don't feel an urge to mine. No, that's not true. I've done some mining. I feel an urge to go and clean my kitchen before I do any more mining. Ever.
I don't want to be a jerk and turn pirate.
I've been-there-done-that on trading.
I deliberately haven't pursued naval mission ranks because there is no content there. I thought I would wait to see what story missions and rank content will (eventually, ultimately, many, many updates from now) be introduced, and enjoy playing them when they are. There is no value to be had in the ranks (as I see it) at this point, so no point playing the missions. I don't need a Clipper. I might get one anyway, but go no further. Perhaps. If I can be bothered.

I want some MISSIONS (that have a point and aren't repetitive drivel). I want a STORY (at least a skeleton of one). I want a PURPOSE.

And ED doesn't really have any of that.

And poorly implemented "community missions" or landing on planets won't give it any, either.

2) The second MAJOR issue that I have with ED is that it actually all feels a bit false. A bit of a lie. A bit of under-delivered promises and smoke-and-mirrors to cover holes.

Players do NOT have influence (e.g. Lugh) - FDev had to add that in after the event when there was an outcry that nothing had happened.
Players' rep activities do NOT influence environments. Much testing has been done.
Players' trading activities do NOT influence the market.
NPCs play to different rules (e.g. FSD under mass lock)
NPCs turn up in stations where there were none before...
NPCs turn up in random cruise-dropouts in mining belts where there were none before...

....it's all a bit cheaty. A bit botched. A bit....crap, really.

Basically, the ED world exists irrespective of whatever we, the players, do within it. So what's the point of doing anything?


In before
#it'snotthegameforyou
#I'mstillplayingandIthinkit'sgreatandeveryonewhodoesn'tthinksodoesn'tgethegame
#it'sstillinbeta

TL;DR

Like many others, I'd love ED to be successful. But, to be successful, it has to be a whole lot more than it currently is.

More content.
More soul.
More polish.
More interaction.

Right now, it falls a very, very long way short of that.

Right now, it simply isn't fun to play.

A.


P.s. Awesome sounds though. Best sounds in-game evaaa.

Verily, it hath been nailed mightily.

 

[Ghostickles]

Its neither here nor there, the fact the community is more worried about a single ship than the many other aspects of the game which could use attention is a tragedy.

 

[Skellen]

Oh my, I've just watched the Star Citizen trailer, I think I might have backed the wrong Donkey! But then again if trailers are anything to go by, I remember getting excited watching the ED one!!! What an Ass!