Latest CG, the clearest example of P2W in ED to date?

The PC2 isn't just bigger, it's faster. I'm hauling at least twice as fast as I was in my T9. So for every 2 hours I would have been hauling to reach whatever in-game goal, I have won back an hour to spend in-game or not. It's the first ARX I've bought and it was worth it. It is a massive game-changing advantage for me.
 
My trust in FD has unfortunately eroded over the years.

Way off topic but I feel like FDev has always been a fundamentally ethical company but they've had people come and go, over the years, with the result that sometimes their "vision" hasn't necessarily been the same as it was when people like Michael Brookes or Sandro were running the show.

I recall, especially, there was a point, 3 or 4 years ago, where it seemed like somebody thought it'd be a good idea to try and turn ED into Space-Fortnite.
Dark times. :confused:
 
My trust in FD has unfortunately eroded over the years.

Mine too. However they have not indicated any desire to put ships or modules in the store with the intent of never selling in game; this is an important distinction as the suggestion they will or might, is supposition.

There is a difference between being vigilant, which is quite fair and reasonable, and being dogmatic. If they ever do something of the sort, then as I have said, I'll be all for sticking it to Frontier. But they have not, and show no interest in doing so.
 
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Hauling in the same ship gets boring after a while, I've been using the Panther Clipper, Type-9 and Cutter in this GC.
I intend to deliver one Kitten's worth just to get the participation benefits. I have to acquire Tritium for my FC, so will be scouting around familiar stations looking for the right opportunity, rather than hauling to make some numbers bigger.
 
ive bee using the pc on the cg and have deliverd 18000t to-date.BUT as i bought the steller pc already have the mk11 cargo racks as you can on fit one of each on the pc i feel im wasting my time,so im off to do other things,dont know if thats correct but from what i read it is.happy to be corrected if im wrong.
 
And you are quite correct in your opinion.
I just hold an entirely different one, maybe as I can actually say 'No' when I wish?
The sneak peek at the next ship suggests it will be a miner, I won't spend a single Arx on that, as mining holds no interest for me.

For sure, and a mining specific ship could be interesting. I do enjoy mining. Of course, I'll wait for it to become available for credits as I oppose the idea of giving FD real money for ships.

Others will as they are interested, will I have 'lost' by not buying it?

Nothing, same as with the "Kitty". Again, you seem to be missing the point I'm making in this thread and i don't know how to make it any clearer.
 
You've broadcasted that loud and clear. But of course you are just one player. My point was about the community's reaction to it. If the P2W gets too painful, they will stop. I just can't see the slippery slope yet.

Of course i'm just one player, and its impossible to determine just how many people feel the same way as me. We get an overview from responses in this thread, but we on the forums are just a subset of the playerbase. It was interesting to see CMDR Burr shares my concerns though, as I think we can all agree he's very level headed in his analyses of the game and doesn't do sensationalism or offer ill-considered opinions.

If you don't see the slippery slope yet... well, ok. I think selling ships for ARX was a rather obvious start to the slope. Whether FD will continue down it... well, as you said, trust is a factor on the personal side, but FD won't take your trust into account if financial push comes to P2W shove. Then all that matters is if we accept it as a necessary evil to keep the game alive or don't and quit playing. I'd rather not quit playing but...
 
Again, you seem to be missing the point I'm making in this thread and i don't know how to make it any clearer.
Certainly not missing your point - I just don't acknowledge the concept. Plain & simple.
You consider your point valid, that is all that should matter to you, my not agreeing your point is valid for me is of no consequence, surely?
 
ive bee using the pc on the cg and have deliverd 18000t to-date.BUT as i bought the steller pc already have the mk11 cargo racks as you can on fit one of each on the pc i feel im wasting my time,so im off to do other things,dont know if thats correct but from what i read it is.happy to be corrected if im wrong.
Those MK2 aren't the cargo racks the CG is offering. The CG ones are size 5 and 6 and will go in any slot in any ship.
 
If you don't see the slippery slope yet... well, ok. I think selling ships for ARX was a rather obvious start to the slope. Whether FD will continue down it... well, as you said, trust is a factor on the personal side, but FD won't take your trust into account if financial push comes to P2W shove. Then all that matters is if we accept it as a necessary evil to keep the game alive or don't and quit playing. I'd rather not quit playing but.
Perhaps you would be content with a forced subscription model to fund the game's development?
That would lose me as a player, instantly, but, for those who would prefer FD stopped asking for half a pizza every few months, it must surely be more palatable?
 
While it is still a toss-up between a new ship or a pint of beer & a packet of crisps, things are not too dire for some of us.

Unfortunately, thanks to various global factors a lot of investors have become very nervous and they have cut back on a lot of IT projects, meaning my main client has cut back on work, meaning I've got a lot less work at the moment and less money. So I'm literally at the point where I cannot consider buying ARX at all. Even if I was fine with buying ships for money, its not an option for me at the moment.
 
Well, one advantage by buying ship for real cash is you don't need to worry about the rebuy cost, so when a griefer kills you with two shot you can just say oh my, and press rebuy and smile, because it was free!!!
 
Way off topic but I feel like FDev has always been a fundamentally ethical company but they've had people come and go, over the years, with the result that sometimes their "vision" hasn't necessarily been the same as it was when people like Michael Brookes or Sandro were running the show.

I recall, especially, there was a point, 3 or 4 years ago, where it seemed like somebody thought it'd be a good idea to try and turn ED into Space-Fortnite.
Dark times. :confused:

I like Michael's general vision but felt he was a bit too trapped in the past. Sandro i felt like he didn't really connect with the idea of the game and just liked to follow trends.

Still, I remember both as personalities... i can't even be sure who is leading FD right now? Is it Adam?
 
I've got a lot less work at the moment and less money.
That is truly unfortunate. I sincerely hope your fortunes change for the better.

I'm just a pensioner, so have whatever the state decides is enough to survive on, plus another small sum through having the foresight, and good fortune, to plan for the time I decided to stop working. I'm not as poor as a Church Mouse, but not wealthy enough to be a 'Whale', even if my own morals permitted such. But do have the benefit of a fixed income, so can plan around that accordingly.
 
Certainly not missing your point - I just don't acknowledge the concept. Plain & simple.
You consider your point valid, that is all that should matter to you, my not agreeing your point is valid for me is of no consequence, surely?

Its not about points of view though when you (intentionally or unintentionally) misconstrue what I'm saying. It is of consequence to me if you do that.

You said:

Others will as they are interested, will I have 'lost' by not buying it?

Which never has been part of my argument, so why did you present it to me as though you were aiming that question at me?

Let me try and boil it down as simply as possible, my concern is:

FD released the PC and immediately after did a CG about hauling with what appears to me to be a clear attempt to encourage (manipulate) more sales of the PC.

There is nothing in that that says you lose anything by not buying the PC. My concern is about FD's modus operandi here.
 
Perhaps you would be content with a forced subscription model to fund the game's development?
That would lose me as a player, instantly, but, for those who would prefer FD stopped asking for half a pizza every few months, it must surely be more palatable?

Absoloutely not. A subscription would see me quitting the next day.

I've offered up my thoughts on alternate funding in at least two posts in this thread already.

Please stop tilting at windmills.
 
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