Latest stream has more dislikes than likes... FD are you listening?

Pigletslastand

Pigletslastand
To call an angry person petty is only going to make them more angry. You have to be pretty sure in yourself that they have no good grounds in the first place to be angry by negating their reason for feeling and I think you'd be on a very sticky wicket to try your hand at making that case these days after years of frustration. Let it vent is my advice.
 

Pigletslastand

Pigletslastand
Riverside said:
What you are describing is handled by building relationships and trust over time. Unfortunately when trust is lost it can be difficult to get it back. That's what Community Management is there for. What Sally is doing in the update 5 thread is a good example of building relationships and trust, it isn't easy & takes lots of reiteration & patience.

Some people will always find an excuse to complain (because they don't like something about it), just as some will always support a company or product (because they like something about it).

None of this is unique to FDev or ED.
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Hear Hear!
 

hisstus

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ebbrell said:
All they need to do is discuss problems they have experienced with performance mention what plans are.. e.g. will they introduce full dlss or new fsr.

List some ideas for future roadmap in summary we don't need details

There is a time to speak about things and a time not to... now is a time to discuss.
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Oh, no. details are something that should not be left out in any way. how else can you know how serious they are about implementing these or those innovations?
if there is no request for details, the situation will continue as with the interiors of the ships.
before the release of the odyssey they were saying "they will be there but not at the start of the odyssey, we can't give details now" so that people who really care about that aspect of the game would pre-order the game believing their words.
And then after the release they said "you know, we don't really have any plans to implement ship interiors".
Although legally it's not cheating the consumer and there's nothing to complain about, it's a clear signal that no word from the frontrunners that says "let's do without details" can be trusted, which means that the value of such words is zero.
If they talk in detail, at least it will be possible to say with at least a minimum of confidence that work towards the implementation of certain innovations is really under way.
 

Gwallt

Gwallt
Riverside said:
I'm thinking FDev may have started that ball rolling, possibly in a way you have not considered significant (hint: absence of info on patch 6).
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We had the info on patch 6. There isn't one. Unless they decide to produce one - but the point is, they didn't promise one. They said something like "after patch 5 we'll be focusing on optimisations, especially re. graphics/frame rates" - I can't be bothered to go and find exactly what was said, but it was something like that. And today, we had a server-side hotfix - so FDev have actually gone above and beyond what they promised. So no, FDev haven't been petty - they've been, as promised, straight with us. Even if it's not what we want to hear.
So I would expect the odd unannounced patch between now and console release, along with consultations about the future - PP updates etc. I expect that, because that's what FDev have actually said through official channels. You can start throwing rocks if that doesn't happen - otherwise, we've had what was promised, it has improved things somewhat, it's far from perfect. While we can moan about being where we are, with some justification, but there does come a point where we have to accept that we're all in the same boat, we are where we are, and what matters is how we get out of it!
 

Riverside

Riverside
Ian Doncaster said:
The problem isn't that Frontier aren't telling us enough, it's that they aren't telling us what we want to hear. And they can't do that - hopefully "they can't do that yet"! - so it really doesn't matter to me whether they say lots or not much, it'll get fixed in the same timescale either way.
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I largely agree, bad news is often poorly received, particularly after potentially being kept waiting so long, and plenty jump on bandwagons going in both directions.

That's the price companies pay for going direct to customer, they have to deal with all the bad as well as the good, and it is easy for relatively minor issues to blow up if they are not nipped in the bud.
 

Riverside

Riverside
Gwallt said:
We had the info on patch 6. There isn't one. Unless they decide to produce one - but the point is, they didn't promise one. They said something like "after patch 5 we'll be focusing on optimisations, especially re. graphics/frame rates" - I can't be bothered to go and find exactly what was said, but it was something like that. And today, we had a server-side hotfix - so FDev have actually gone above and beyond what they promised. So no, FDev haven't been petty - they've been, as promised, straight with us. Even if it's not what we want to hear.
So I would expect the odd unannounced patch between now and console release, along with consultations about the future - PP updates etc. I expect that, because that's what FDev have actually said through official channels. You can start throwing rocks if that doesn't happen - otherwise, we've had what was promised, it has improved things somewhat, it's far from perfect. While we can moan about being where we are, with some justification, but there does come a point where we have to accept that we're all in the same boat, we are where we are, and what matters is how we get out of it!
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Customers aren't staff, they don't have to accept the status quo. Downvoting a video is an easy way to express ongoing dissatisfaction without engaging in a specific way, just the same as upvoting is.

afaik Google & youtube don't care which button is pressed as long as the viewers are engaged.
 

Pigletslastand

Pigletslastand
Go into the house of commons.. you'll find plenty of petty and childish behaviour there and yet that is how a modern democracy works. Start your own Utopia if you want something different, there'll be no pats on the back and 'Jolly good show ol' boy' when people are miffed at the decisions being made. To expect such is naive and quite frankly ludicrous.
 

Hanerib

Hanerib
I did watch the stream, or listen mostly, and actually liked it. Those guys were really nice. You know, there are two things that are great about this game. One is flying a spaceship, it's quite difficult at first, but you can get really good with it. Not many games have that kind of learning curve. Players just need reasons to actually learn, like open only powerplay. When someone gets their Anaconda blown up in Shinrarta Dezrha, you shouldn't go all soft and focus on astrophotography. You need to tell them they suck.

Another is of course those millions of star systems. After playing for a while, having visited all engineers, powers, done all sorts of stuff around the bubble and beyond, you don't look at astronomical charts the way you used to. Tau Ceti, Pleiades, etc, those names mean something a lot more than they used to.
 

hisstus

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Zac Cocken said:
Hey Piglet,

At the moment we're focusing on some of the big hitter feedback regarding PowerPlay that have been circulating for a while, for example, the idea of 'Open-only' PowerPlay. We're weighing up the pros and cons of both, as well as the technical aspect, and once we have a decision we'll feed that back, but I can't put a timescale on that considering a lot of focus is on Odyssey at the moment. Once we have a handle on the bigger things, I think it would be a good idea to have a focused feedback thread.
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Hmmm... I have been hearing this mantra from you since 2016-2017 (still from Sandro Sammarco), and considering that in 4-5 years nothing has changed, I am sure that in 2025-2026 when releasing the next major paid update you will say "we are too busy now, we will consider this issue later" and as you have not considered this issue before, as you do not consider now, and will not consider in the future.
better tell the truth, as in the recent cases of interiors (we have no plans to introduce ship interiors) and roadmap (we have no roadmap).
at least that would be fair to the community.
 
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