Up to you I guess. You may get lucky like some and get a warning email or maybe a ban but cant say then you were not warned
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Step 1. Ask people who make statements about FD posts to provide links, rather than try to prove/disprove their statements yourself.
Step 2. Put down that silly sandwich, and eat the Angriest Whopper instead. Because Angry!
Like the previous poster I also use the full range throttle and go in reverse when interdicted, I have never experience theses bugs.
Lucifer hate: I see that FD gave the info to stop combat logging.
I asked Sha the question: You have not answered my question about how my solo game affects other gamers. (Sorry to repeat myself.)
I have to get some sleep.
Why does FD log me off with an apology message every so often. I want to stop the combat logging, so they should stop the Loosing my cargo and mission logging.
Just want to be equal. I get that about twice a week. Lots more than my combat logging.
I asked Sha the question: You have not answered my question about how my solo game affects other gamers. (Sorry to repeat myself.)
I have to get some sleep.
Why does FD log me off with an apology message every so often. I want to stop the combat logging, so they should stop the Loosing my cargo and mission logging.
Just want to be equal. I get that about twice a week. Lots more than my combat logging.
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The problem isn't how it 'affects others' which it doesn't really do other then potential background simulation stuff but that impact is very low.
The problem is, you are not supposed to quit a game when it gets tough, or something gets difficult, the point of playing a game is, well, playing the game, and in this game, you are flying in space, where you can get attacked and whatnot, you are not supposed to quit the game when you get attacked, it is part of the game, you aren't meant to be able to fly around absolutely defenceless and expect to do stuff without getting in trouble.
If you are expecting just to be able to go from A to B without worry, I would ask why you are playing a game, since last I checked all games involve challenges of one kind or another?
I would LOVE to SEE some actual DATA on how someone rebooting their SOLO session of ED effects the entire universe in some perceptible way! You are actually serious with this comment? Really? WOW!
I think you over estimate the level of influence a single player has on the background sim. Especially considering we have ALWAYS been talking about a SOLO session in this thread. Or at least, everyone should be, since that is what the OP plays.
Is that theory you have along the same lines as the old "Butterfly flapping its wings in Tibet creates a Hurricane in Florida" kind of thing? Can't say I ever bought into that crazyness either.
You're trading. What you're trading, and how much of it, impacts the market of a system, and the systems neighbourhood as a whole.
Instead of dying, when fate instructed you to, you log out - circumventing the moment of your death. You log back in. You trade. You impact the market of the system.
Your death would have had a different impact on the system. Because you chose to log out, you changed that impact, it doesn't matter how small that impact was. It was still a change, and whilst that might not have any perceptible impact immediately, it can have a much larger impact later on.
Now imagine a hundred CMDR's doing it, or a thousand.
Disclaimer: I don't think I need to point out that "you" in this example is not you directly.
Unless you know what the question was actually referring to, how could you?Is that theory you have along the same lines as the old "Butterfly flapping its wings in Tibet creates a Hurricane in Florida" kind of thing? Can't say I ever bought into that crazyness either.
Seriously? We're beating this dead horse again? When the combat logging update came out, people went around in circles for 2,035 separate posts on one thread. The moderators had to forcefully close that thread. It very quickly degenerated into ad hominem attacks.
Please just stop this. We as a community already saw this 6 months ago. Let's stop. This train has brakes, use them. I don't care one way or the other. I have learned to deal with the new AI. I have only one insurance claim since 2.1 dropped, and that one time was entirely my fault. I tried to take on one too many ships at the same time. There are resources out there so that players, including the OP, can effectively deal with interdictions without having to forcefully exit the game. Use the forums, google, youtube, and other resources at your disposal. This game has always punished the stupid, ignorant, arrogant, and the ill-prepared. I suspect that the OP was most likely ill-prepared in terms of his strategy.
Look here for more: https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php/105778-%93Combat-Logging%94-Update/page136
Also, your solo game is not an offline game. The background simulation (BGS) is always present, and every player action effects it in some way. The BGS is why you need an internet connection to play this game. Trading, combat, and exploration all influence the BGS, and the BGS influences players.
Please just stop this. We as a community already saw this 6 months ago. Let's stop. This train has brakes, use them. I don't care one way or the other. I have learned to deal with the new AI. I have only one insurance claim since 2.1 dropped, and that one time was entirely my fault. I tried to take on one too many ships at the same time. There are resources out there so that players, including the OP, can effectively deal with interdictions without having to forcefully exit the game. Use the forums, google, youtube, and other resources at your disposal. This game has always punished the stupid, ignorant, arrogant, and the ill-prepared. I suspect that the OP was most likely ill-prepared in terms of his strategy.
Look here for more: https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php/105778-%93Combat-Logging%94-Update/page136
Also, your solo game is not an offline game. The background simulation (BGS) is always present, and every player action effects it in some way. The BGS is why you need an internet connection to play this game. Trading, combat, and exploration all influence the BGS, and the BGS influences players.
What 'fate'?? You mean the bugs and the infamous RNG? 'Fate' has absolutely nothing to do with it.
As for the BGS being affected, that's marginally measurable due to a single incident. Then there's the fact that if the RNG (or bug) hadn't initiated that particular contact then the player would most likely have succeeded in their trade, with the same exact affect on the BGS. There's absolutely no evidence that such combat logging in solo has a negative affect on the BGS.
As for combat logging and FD, I believe the whole issue that FD has with it is due to such activity during PvP play, where it directly affects other players, and is certainly a cheat. But in solo? Give us a break!
It is a well-known bug though, it isn't just some throttle issue. I came across MANY mentions of this exact behavior over the fourms in the past few days. Here's a good explanation from another thread in the Engineers sub-forum (not sure how to hyperlink the post itself so here's the text):
Sure...
I'll give you one long running bug that has never been fixed...(There are literally dozens of these)
Submitting to an Interdiction by throttling to zero immediately after the mini-game starts. Seeing the throttle is indeed at zero, the game acknowledges the submission with the Yellow Text alert, yet the game behaves as though you just failed an evasion attempt with the alert that FSD failed etc..
Your ship takes the damage from a failed evasion, your ship spins around like a merry-go-round for the same reason, and the biggest issue from this BUG... Your FSD cool-down does indeed take as long as a legitimately failed Interdiction evasion attempt. (MUCH longer than the Submit cool-down time) This delay in being able to jump out can often make the difference between being able to escape the attack, or not.
This bug has existed in the game for over 2 years.
It continues to be reported constantly by new players or after a new update, (especially after 2.1 and the buffed AI) and yet this has never been fixed.
I could fill a thread like this with additional examples, all from the background sim part of the game. Another thread with 2.0 bugs, and yet another with 2.1 bugs.
I don't have a problem with a game as complex as this having bugs in it. That is to be expected. What I do have a problem with are these long standing and widely reported bugs continually taking a back seat to the latest "SHINEY THING" on the FD drawing board.
I like new stuff as much as the next guy, but FD really needs to clean up their messes from one project before they head into another room and start working on a new project. Otherwise, you end up with a house full of messes, and eventually no more clean rooms to use for the next project.
The main point here is that the game clearly registers the zero throttle setting when it states "Submitting to Interdiction". It's not a throttle issue, because if you didn't zero the throttle properly it wouldn't register that you were intending to submit. This is really the entire problem with running a T9 post-2.1. It's not hard for me to submit, boost and jump. It's nearly impossible however to survive a failed interdiction attempt against an Elite NPC when flying a T9 (and probably not much better with a T6 or T7).
that is, when you could do, you made trade the old-fashioned way.
I can't make a trade route with my anaconda pos 2,1 will tell me that I am limited and do not know how to fly, too.
This game is hard to learn, hard to play, the log out feature I don't know, there are people finding abominable ... well
I don't even think about computer nor think about game, emergency is an emergency.
I don't mind losing my ships, doesn't like to lose so stupid, liar, op IA. I can't maneuver like that, nobody can. My shaff doesn't last long. An anaconda Dangerous turns faster than an eagle, against my FAS, I think left over steroids. She ran off with 6% of hull and left me behind with 13%, for me it is a lot of intelligence.
I don't run more, drop all in front of me, it's so ok it will be like this, but trade now, no way, better go exploring until cold.
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Actually it is not, it is everyone’s business, this is not a single payer game, never has been; solo simply restricts who might play in your instance, nothing more, not who your actions may affect. In solo you can still take part in CG, power play, and trading back and forth between stations helps shift the balance of power within the play space, thereby affecting every one else who plays too. A fact that has been abused wholesale by a certain group of and I use the term very loosely “players”. This is one of the reasons that AI were beefed up, prior to 2.1 solo and pve groups allowed players to run about with impunity.
If some loser taking part in power play keeps quitting the game when interdicted and attacked by faction ai they are exploiting, avoiding the ai in a way that was never intended. Have 100 or 200 people all playing in solo doing the same thing for the same faction and it becomes a major problem for everyone else trying to compete against them.
Further the developers agree, more than once they have stated that they are aware constantly logging off to avoid combat is an issue, and are continually reviewing ways to deal with it without penalising players with genuinely dodgy connections.
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Finally, somebody has explained how single player affects multiplayer game in the big picture. After 7 pages of back and forth.
Also I must agree there are bugs in the interdiction process. Why did I choose to combat log? Read what GG7 said. Another bug is that sometimes the attacking ship appears out of nowhere and after the interdiction, starts shooting. (I had presumed that FD put an AI anger attack in the game because many times I had no cargo.)
From what I have read in this thread is that I should see approaching icons on my radar. Not Always!
Instance: Icons are all planets, maybe one or two. Then I'm interdicted. Where the hell did he come from. I'm outa here.
Well, you have explained how to do that in this thread thank you very much.
I have this game now for six months. I have a link to the instructions. I read the bloody manual and it does not say how to play the game.
I read the manual. Load the game. Start to play. Put your instructions at the top of this forum please. So that people like me can search a subject and say .... Wow! I didn't know that! Let's ask what to do! 7 bloody pages for a little help is not appreciated, but it did help!
Thought it was obvious what I was talking about, anyway:What 'fate'?? You mean the bugs and the infamous RNG? 'Fate' has absolutely nothing to do with it.
OP was trading.
OP was attacked.
OP logged out, like a coward, in an attempt to avoid death.
His "fate" was to die.
Luckily, karma made that clear. *evil laugh*
Is it? What if he survived, and that final trade caused a change in power for that system that resulted in a war, which then affected other systems, which then further resulted a plague? It can happen. The actions of a single CMDR can sway an entire system and bring a particular faction to power.
But, as I said, imagine it was a hundred CMDR's playing his way, or a thousand.
Really? OP trades in value minerals and it's a "bug" or RNG that he got interdicted? Hehehe, no. That's not how it works. There is an element of RNG, but it's controlled by your combat and trading rank, it's controlled by what you're hauling, it's controlled by the type of system you're in. There's a number of different variables used to determine if OP is to be interdicted or not. The fact that he was hauling value cargo was the primary trigger.
No. You won't get a break. Your actions impact the BGS, no matter how small.
If you logged, when you should have died, you are impacting the BGS in a different way than what was actually going to happen had you not quit like a coward.
Combat logging rules apply to ALL players; regardless of what type of instance they play. It takes a certain amount of time to log out. If you die during that time. Tough.
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As I already said. 15 seconds! What? Bovine Waste! 30 seconds. I guess a lot of people can't count.
One CMDR is always doing something. You might not be directly aware of it immediately, but your actions do affect the BGS. This is not conjecture. It's fact. It's part of how the BGS works.
Steve did. Unless I completely misunderstood what he was saying.
You do get 15 saeconds, once you click the exit button. However, you need to wait for the exit button to become available first.
Bovine Waste, yet again.
I log out. I'm given 15 seconds. Down to 5 or 4 or 3 seconds.
Game starts again.
Log out again. 15 seconds to wait till log out.
Nearly thirty seconds to escape that way.
Legal or not it is still way more than 15 seconds. Anybody out there can count or does 12 plus 15 = 15.
Get real.
This thread started because the problem I stated was 15 seconds given in game that quite often goes for a double log out.
You deny that happens?
I log out. I'm given 15 seconds. Down to 5 or 4 or 3 seconds.
Game starts again.
Log out again. 15 seconds to wait till log out.
Nearly thirty seconds to escape that way.
Legal or not it is still way more than 15 seconds. Anybody out there can count or does 12 plus 15 = 15.
Get real.
This thread started because the problem I stated was 15 seconds given in game that quite often goes for a double log out.
You deny that happens?
By any chance, do you have any other controller (joystick, gamepad etc) enabled when you're playing ED? Does your primary controller (mouse\KB, gamepad, joystick etc) functions properly? For example, if your mouse is old and battered from countless games, it might register even slightest touch as a click (Happened to me with my old mouse).