It's your view... I hope we get both to satisfy the most players, but perhaps if there's a choice and an ability to change instantly through mouse wheel/keybind whatever, then nobody should lose out... probably
Legs, 1st, 3rd, or both?
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So humans will be deformed beings, maybe brain in the glass can or;
To much justification is used in here, like that floating cameras around ship in MC.....you ppl try to justify game like it's some kind of hardcore sim while it's just a video game with more and more arcade features (nothing wrong with it being a bit arcadish).
Brabes said the plan was first person only back in the day:
Given the challenges they've got on their plate I'd be fine if they just focused on first person. (Plus I'd rather have VR support than third person)
+1 for VR support, I mean this game is the main/sole reason I invested in VR.
Again, +1 vor (VR enhanced) immersion.
I didn't compare the game themselfs. I did compare the comunities and how much they claim for something and when it arrived they didn't care about anymore wanted more and more...mourning about that other things should take priorities. So Spacelegs where neclected...just as Multicrew or CQC...
Never heard of Prey to be honest, but I fear, FDev slips to the same path as CCP, when they rush to publish features like legs.
It's better to forget legs, before it gets ruined.
I want a first person perspective but realistically portrayed through a bodycam attached around the waist to a belt buckle. Wide enough FOV that I can just see my weapon in my hands at the top of the screen.
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Nah in all seriousness, I wouldn't be surprised if it turns out like it is currently - primarily first person perspective through the eyes of your CMDR, but with a deployable camera drone that can follow you round and act as a vanity camera as well as facilitating limited third-person movement (like how you can still move your ship around when in the camera suite)
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Nah in all seriousness, I wouldn't be surprised if it turns out like it is currently - primarily first person perspective through the eyes of your CMDR, but with a deployable camera drone that can follow you round and act as a vanity camera as well as facilitating limited third-person movement (like how you can still move your ship around when in the camera suite)
I've never EVEed, but I did a deep dive on their Incarna Legs, and it seems to me FDev are pitching for a more entertaining & functional addition. Which, ideally, should make it a distinct proposition from Incarna's offline, gameplay-free offering. It just depends if they meet enough of those aims
FDev's pitches seem to be even more ambitious though. The TLDR for me is that CCP didn't actually add a 'new game' into their game, given the lack of game mechanics proposed alongside the tech additions. IE:
EVE's early 2006 pitch was:
Despite missing its initial 2008 launch date by a mile, and getting caught up in weird scope bloat & daydreaming, it ended up delivering a stripped down version:
- A social MMO 'side build' from the main game with mini games etc.
- Aspects like combat possibly to follow but not promised.
EVE's launch feature list:
(Here's some background reading I undertook to try and understand what went on
- A 'side build' from the main game, initially offline.
- Primary focus on easing in new players & duplicating current functionality in an immersive environment. (And getting the baseline tech working solidly in the process).
- A staged approach bringing MMO style interactions & minor novel gameplay later (illicit deals in your hosted area etc).
- Early 2006 dev hype (initial staged release to be social, big numbers discussed as a challenge, combat a desired addition down the line)
- Scope creep (fashion designers, voice modulation, holographic war rooms, underground missions etc)
- Dev outline + hype in 2011 (cosmetic, immersive, offline)
- Feature List
- A player post-mortem
- CCP's apology for launching with 'essentially a prototype'.
- Producer on the core flaw being 'we didn't really do any gameplay around it'
So the broader locations and MMO aspect slipped from the initial delivery, but ultimately it kinda went to plan. It was just a bad plan... :/
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By comparison:
FDev's early pitches are [1]:
-and/or-
- First-person mobility within the active game world, including PvP aspects.
I'd definitely classify both of those as 'new games', one built alongside the current game, and the other injected within it.
- A 'side build' from the main game (space station interiors) with multiplayer aspects, NPC interactions & combat.
I think there's some more pragmatic implementation going on (Avs actually in the working game environment already, networking, assets etc etc), but the pitch still seems pretty daunting and untravelled.
Guess we'll see what any actual launch pitch aims for
Many signs point to Legs being the focus of the current 2 year dedicated dev run. And it's worth noting that there are already some in-game foundations for Legs, which wasn't true for EVE it seems.
I don't reckon the odds of a substantial Legs delivery are as bleak as you suggest
I think having a bit of an ingame demo in terms of walking around the cockpit makes a bit of sense, though unless there is some extra gameplay there I'm not sure that helps hugely. Assuming they do it will be interesting to see how far they take that and what functionality is available and what gets restricted.
I'm not certain either, the various leaks seems reasonably credible in terms of building stuff - but that doesn't necessarily mean legs. The X games previously let you build whole station complexes without you leaving the cockpit so they could go for a similar model here.
Apart from generally wanting to know what FD are thinking I think there is a real need to help set expectations for next year, it is too easy to fit all your dreams on the void of info and perhaps letting people down gently earlier would be better than crashing and burning not far out from release - that would look pretty awful I suspect. And they will need to let people down, the update can't be all things everyone wants so some rough bounds on what we can expect even without too many specifics would be nice. Still, until carriers are out of the way (or close to being out of the way) I don't suppose we'll get much. At this point I imagine they are waiting to tidy up some of the September fallout and let things stabalise a bit before talking about those, then we can maybe get a smidgen of information on what comes next.
If they announce anything now by the time its ready some people will have built it up into impossible heights, any delays/adaptations/cancellations will also cause wailing and gnashing of teeth plus comedy accusations of false advertising, witchcraft and necromancy.
So they need to keep it all under wraps because "players".
'Legs, 1st, 3rd, or both?'
I've been accused of having a third leg, but believe me it's not all its cracked up to be. I have to tuck it into one of my socks, and i've been banned from wearing shorts.
I've been accused of having a third leg, but believe me it's not all its cracked up to be. I have to tuck it into one of my socks, and i've been banned from wearing shorts.
Yes, this certainly puts them in a bit of a bind. If they say nothing the rampant speculation will lead to over expectations. If they say something it will also lead to over expectation and/or very specific expectation of what they've said means. All leading to the gnashing of teeth.
Given they can't win either way I'd quite like the information please
I can see why they don't want to do that though...
Rollo Treadway disagrees with this sweeping statement.
in principle 1st or 3rd doesn't matter as long as it's well done, interesting and fun. anyhow my expectations of frontier pulling off a good version of any of it are quite flat.
otoh, vr is mandatory, unless they come up with something radically different (dunno, an elite board game?), so yeah, indirectly that would probably mean 1st person.
Nah, prolly just stood up from the throne without clenching and shaking.
I would love that. But a 100 person team is not very big when you think well over 1000 people worked on GTA. Space legs in just over two years is not long at all. I doubt it will be fully featured, but hopefully it will be something they can build upon. Atmospherics as well would be brilliant, but I am not keeping my hopes up for that.tbh given the timescale and number of Devs stated to be working on Elite, but not the current version I'm expecting both atmospherics and ambulation.
In 2.0 there were a few bugs with the AI that were not fixed because the AI was going to be reworked for 2.1 anyway, so it wasn't worth bothering with apparently. Then 2.1 was delayed, and when it eventually released the new AI literally made the news
So I'm thinking something similar for 2020
As for first or third person. I would prefer 1st, especially for VR. Maybe they could allow both.
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1st person by default, 3rd person when engaging in fisticuffs with other players and for your "death-cam" when a Cutter lands on you.
How many worked on the initial release of ED though?