Lets test this persistent universe and see if FD are true to their word.

I was sitting in Mullane port in LTT4846. It was just before 7pm 01-02-15

I was looking at the galaxy map and the space port just decided to kill me while I was inside for no apparent reason. I am teetering on the point of bankrupcey now. I had an Anaconda crash into me out of nowhere earlier aswell. Thats 3 deaths in less than 24 hours! Seriously going around in circles here! :(

The same with the anacondas happened to me two times this day in a conflict zone. Invested 30 Millions to improve my ships lately so i also aint very fluid at the moment. But i could help you out with 1-2 Millions.
 
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I wonder what effects a mission like this has...

Edit: the crimson state is offering this.
 
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I agree we should try this out and see what effect it has. We can always go down the other route afterwards if nothing happens. But I disagree with two ships being enough. I popped into one of those checkpoints yesterday and was instantly attacked by about 5 ships that instantly took out my 5A shields and knocked me down to 40% in a micro second. They are really intense. More so than any other 'battle' zone I have seen in this game so far. I would suggest 4 ships minimum.

Hmm so going by what others are saying, not every checkpoint is the same. I jumped into one last night with 2 elite cobras and 1 dangerous cobra.
I got one of them down to 50% hull on my own but at the expense of 14 shield cells.
 
...I have now sold all my point defence modules and I would highly reccomend others do the same until they fix this bug. The only thing I can think of is that same griefer is out there hanging around the stations and shooting missiles at targets on his radar. That's twice now it has happened to me.

*fires up X52 profiling software and adds turning off the PDTs to the "landing mode" macro....
 
I heard there were some bugs with influence going to the wrong place sometimes, if so, where/when should i be cashing in these war bonds i am getting crushing the feds in system?
 
Apologies to anyone I block the exit for coming in/out of Balandin.
My Type 9 is a bit fat.

I'll try type a warning as I am on the way in/out if I see a CMDR on the radar!!

(orfeboy, I believe you managed quite a beautiful dodge on the way into the station about 21:15 GMT)
 
Apologies to anyone I block the exit for coming in/out of Balandin.
My Type 9 is a bit fat.

I'll try type a warning as I am on the way in/out if I see a CMDR on the radar!!

(orfeboy, I believe you managed quite a beautiful dodge on the way into the station about 21:15 GMT)

Yeah, I hit the game and he was giggling to himself about that one! I think he had to dodge you and another incoming ship! All in a days pay at the docks of Lugh!
 
A slightly pedantic point, but for clarification...If we should be now attacking pirates in uss/takiing bounty hunting missions for CSG/attacking Feds in checkpoints/attacking ships in conflict zones can this be added to the OP.
Sorry had a busy weekend RL and only managed to jump in for a couple of short bursts and it seems all hell has let loose :D
 
Anyone else noticing bulletin board missions from CSG targeting CSG affiliated pilots?

Anyone completed one and seen the effect?

Seems a little odd unless it's someone bad who's playing both sides?
 
Anyone else noticing bulletin board missions from CSG targeting CSG affiliated pilots?

Anyone completed one and seen the effect?

Seems a little odd unless it's someone bad who's playing both sides?

Yes there have benn a lots of them lately. I i tried one of them to test the outcome. Summary was in may case in every way not good (but good for the outer faction) I lost my allied state with CFG after doing it. Maybe they are bugged.
 
A slightly pedantic point, but for clarification...If we should be now attacking pirates in uss/takiing bounty hunting missions for CSG/attacking Feds in checkpoints/attacking ships in conflict zones can this be added to the OP.
Sorry had a busy weekend RL and only managed to jump in for a couple of short bursts and it seems all hell has let loose :D

I also dont want to sound pedantic here now but we have to get more organized again alltogether. Today i as saw people doing this and that. Messing around in conflict zones by doing mission for both factions LDF and SN LTD with the mission summary in all of them raising Civil Unrest for CSG what doesnt sound good..others were killing feds (like me) in the checkpoints and the last ones did bounty missions also with overall odd summarys largely.
Maybe tomorrow lets talk about this and lets get a bit more organized again here in lugh.

PS: Question to orfeboy. Shall i start trading again in lugh for csg stations (maybe with some other commodities as the usual ones). ? I decided to stay in Lugh (while doing small 500 Lys expeditions from time to time) till lockdown is over and then i will go a other way for maybe 1-2 weeks and will be back for lugh again afterwards. And one another question also. Found a unexplored earth-like world and some terraform candidates. Would it be ok for you to handle them over to CSG or you dont want to try to get one new planet colonized (if its possible in the future) by CSG in the meaning to test it just out as an experiment. As for me i see colonization (isnt the same for me as expansion etc) also in a matter of science and not only as lets go guys and slave the whole universe by CSG.
 
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I was sitting in Mullane port in LTT4846. It was just before 7pm 01-02-15

I was looking at the galaxy map and the space port just decided to kill me while I was inside for no apparent reason. I am teetering on the point of bankrupcey now. I had an Anaconda crash into me out of nowhere earlier aswell. Thats 3 deaths in less than 24 hours! Seriously going around in circles here! :(

I have now sold all my point defence modules and I would highly reccomend others do the same until they fix this bug. The only thing I can think of is that same griefer is out there hanging around the stations and shooting missiles at targets on his radar. That's twice now it has happened to me.

Could this be one of the "strange" death in stations situations that FD are trying to track down?

Re attacking Checkpoints. Playing Devil's Advocate, I'm wondering if these are added for "atmosphere" and to give you something to interact with rather than any other reason?

Also, I have another suggestion for a possible way forward...

We are currently in Lockdown and we know that when we finally shake it off, the Locksdown state will go into "cooldown" for a while and won't activate.

We believe that shipping in weapons and doing weapons based missions is the key to creating the conflict we need to oust LFE.

So, surely, the best plan is (this is step by step, not all at once!):

1. Bounty hunt to put Lockdown into cooldown mode
2. Bring in weapons, do weapon missions to queue up Civil War/War (whichever we need)

Or am I over-simplfying?

And one last thought: Why are ALL of those mission summaries on the last few pages (the ones about donating money and killing npcs in checkpoints) affecting CSG AND Silver Natural? It looks to me like there is a war coming, but it's with Silver Natural, not LFE.

As ever, I reserve the right to be completely wrong about all of the above.
 
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Maybe ship weapons for LFE whilst doing legal trading for CSG?

Put the federal heat on LFE and make CSG look like the faction to trust in?

Just a thought ie do negative influence missions for the competitive factions?
 
I also dont want to sound pedantic here now but we have to get more organized again alltogether. Today i as saw people doing this and that. Messing around in conflict zones by doing mission for both factions LDF and SN LTD with the mission summary in all of them raising Civil Unrest for CSG what doesnt sound good..others were killing feds (like me) in the checkpoints and the last ones did bounty missions also with overall odd summarys largely.
Maybe tomorrow lets talk about this and lets get a bit more organized again here in lugh.

PS: Question to orfeboy. Shall i start trading again in lugh for csg stations (maybe with some other commodities as the usual ones). ? I decided to stay in Lugh (while doing small 500 Lys expeditions from time to time) till lockdown is over and then i will go a other way for maybe 1-2 weeks and will be back for lugh again afterwards. And one another question also. Found a unexplored earth-like world and some terraform candidates. Would it be ok for you to handle them over to CSG or you dont want to try to get one new planet colonized (if its possible in the future) by CSG in the meaning to test it just out as an experiment. As for me i see colonization (isnt the same for me as expansion etc) also in a matter of science and not only as lets go guys and slave the whole universe by CSG.

We do have to test unfamiliar missions to see what effect they do. It seems pretty clear to me that doing the Warzone missions for CSG increases Civil Unrest, which IMO isn't a desired state. The people, it seems, would rather not have CSG involved in the conflict between LDF and SN LTD.

The same goes for what effect, if any, attacking check points has on. We don't know, so it needs to tested. They're probably there for atmosphere, but the rather aggressive messages I got while visiting indicates that the background simulation is treating Lugh as a rebellious Federal system. If I was the Dev Team, I'd tie in atmospheric elements with the background simulation to make it feel more like a real universe. OTOH, for this to be a true test, we might need to stop the bounty hunting. Michael did say that was ONE way to resolve the lockdown state, but messages using phrases like "dominance in the galaxy" and "enemy combatants" suggests that there's another that'll lead to the civil war we want.

Could this be one of the "strange" death in stations situations that FD are trying to track down?

Re attacking Checkpoints. Playing Devil's Advocate, I'm wondering if these are added for "atmosphere" and to give you something to interact with rather than any other reason?

Also, I have another suggestion for a possible way forward...

We are currently in Lockdown and we know that when we finally shake it off, the Locksdown state will go into "cooldown" for a while and won't activate.

We believe that shipping in weapons and doing weapons based missions is the key to creating the conflict we need to oust LFE.

So, surely, the best plan is (this is step by step, not all at once!):

1. Bounty hunt to put Lockdown into cooldown mode
2. Bring in weapons, do weapon missions to queue up Civil War/War (whichever we need)

Or am I over-simplfying?

And one last thought: Why are ALL of those mission summaries on the last few pages (the ones about donating money and killing npcs in checkpoints) affecting CSG AND Silver Natural? It looks to me like there isa war coming, but it's with Silver Natural, not LFE.

As ever, I reserve the right to be completely wrong about all of the above.

Maybe ship weapons for LFE whilst doing legal trading for CSG?

Put the federal heat on LFE and make CSG look like the faction to trust in?

Just a thought ie do negative influence missions for the competitive factions?

As I understand it, Civil Wars are triggered by influence and influence differentials only. I don't think I've ever seen a mission summary with Civil War +/- in it. Nor do I think shipping weapons to LFE would make any difference. They are the Federal faction in control. If they bring in weapons, they'll use them on us, the rebellious population, not each other.

Personally, if you want to put the screws to LFE, and are still neutral to them, take their missions, and search USSs, like I'm doing. You may need to build up influence with the Federation outside of Lugh, but it's one way to keep CSG's influence above LFE's without risking another Boom state. It's still profitable, but not nearly as profitable as trading or taking CSG's missions, since you do waste some time checking out USSs.

*pause*

If the consensus is to keep bounty hunting in order to reduce Lockdown, when I get home, I'll reconfigure my Courier Cobra to once again be armed and armored. Might as well do a little bounty hunting while searching those USSs. Got half a million in the bank currently, and capital sitting around is capital not working for me. ;)
 
Re attacking Checkpoints. Playing Devil's Advocate, I'm wondering if these are added for "atmosphere" and to give you something to interact with rather than any other reason?

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Myself and another CMDR dropped into a checkpoint last night, there were 2 cobras and 1 viper at first, Then there were a couple more ships after 10 mins.
Very quickly after that more ships started dropping in and eventually when i noticed the anaconda had joined the party we called an end to the attack.

Seeing the amount of ships that came to help the original 3 gives me good hope that these checkpoints could be an instigator of war.
That been said we would need a large squad to test this out correctly.
 
Update has arrived at 11 pm and CSG gained 0.1% again as i can see from galaxy screen. But can anyone take a look at the current pending states of our factions in Lugh please ? I am currently over 600 Lys away from Lugh and cant do it myself. But i will be back at evening in Lugh after i took a nap from night shift and will bring in lots of exploration data to CSG. Cmdrs i am so happy with my 38 Lys jump range ASP. This ship can do this distance from my position to Lugh withing a half an hour :)
I am also looking forward to this 1000 Lys route planer in upcoming 1.1 update. Will make exploring a lot easier. Really great support by FD with all this weekly patches !

PS: The Gold Galactic Company (Independent) in Berlasuk have triggered expansion today just dont found the system in which they expanded because i cant open all system views from here. And dont forget this was a side effect with all our efforts for Lugh.

Off Topic joke

Darkfrey99 i really share your sorrow for the Nationalists of Berlasuk (Empire) as they got destroyed there in a big way in our alliance with The Gold Galactic Company to free Lugh :)
 
Myself and another CMDR dropped into a checkpoint last night, there were 2 cobras and 1 viper at first, Then there were a couple more ships after 10 mins.
Very quickly after that more ships started dropping in and eventually when i noticed the anaconda had joined the party we called an end to the attack.

Seeing the amount of ships that came to help the original 3 gives me good hope that these checkpoints could be an instigator of war.
That been said we would need a large squad to test this out correctly.

I'm sure I've seen someone else (a while back, in another thread about something unrelated) that had a similar thing: defeat one lot of (I think they were local security ships) and more come in. Keep repeating and you'll start getting Anacondas. I think there was seamingly no end to the anocondas once you got to them. Might be unrelated.

By the way, I'm not against attacking the Checkpoints, but the outcome would be very dificult to judge unless we know nobody else was doing anything that had any other status-changing outcomes (as per Darkfyre99's suggestion)

The reason I suggested the bounty hunting followed by CSG weapons missions is that we *know* bounty hunting will reduce the time we spend in Lockdown and we should then get a lockdown cooldown period where it won't trigger again, which would give us the (hopefully) ideal opportunity to push for war.

But I'm happy to go with the consensus - just not sure I'll be much help in a joint attack on a checkpoint as my under-spec PC seems to have issues with multi-commander combat. I'm hoping to upgrade it in the coming months though, but I suspect (and hope) that will be too late!

Unless I hear to the contrary, I'm going to continue with the bounty hunting in USSs and interdicting wanted NPCs in Lugh. I'm avoiding the CSG aligned ones though (not sure if this right or not)
 
We do have to test unfamiliar missions to see what effect they do. It seems pretty clear to me that doing the Warzone missions for CSG increases Civil Unrest, which IMO isn't a desired state. The people, it seems, would rather not have CSG involved in the conflict between LDF and SN LTD.

You are completely true but i think having several players testing out different things at the same time could blur the outcome. Maybe focus all together on one thing 1-2 days watch the outcome and try the next after 1-2 days.
 
There comes a time when this 'silent war' of bringing in goods and weapons should stop and actual action should have a bearing on instigating wars. If FD is listening and this is not the case then I think you should really consider this. So far what has happened in Lugh is as follows:

1) weapons were brought in
2) tension was raised.
3) influence and belief in CSG rose to almost 90%.
4) so many weapons were available to the public they were ready for revolution.
5) The Feds got scared and sent the riot squad in to control the situation.
6) The public got nervous and started to waver (lockdown)
7) Check points and intimidation were introduced to the system.

It is at this point I believe where direct action against checkpoints should trigger a war. The people need encouragement to rebel. They already side with the opposition (86%) so a show of strength should be what it is all about.

There is far too much space trucking in this process and if the system does not already include what I am describing it should! Maybe another state such as 'War' or 'Rebellion' should be added to the game. This is how rebellions happen in the real world.

So Michael if you are listening please read what I have written above and consider it as game mechanics. This part of the game is where ED shines but players need to have more direct input and speak with their guns and ships instead of the commodity table only.

If this was implemented correctly we should see changes in behaviour of the police ships in the system where real effects can be noticed by players playing the game while flying around. At the moment it is all very opaque.
 
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