The influence bugs are meant to be fixed in the past week's patch.
Lets test this persistent universe and see if FD are true to their word.
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The influence bugs are meant to be fixed in the past week's patch.
As I understood, the issue was influence for an expanded faction being attributed to the home system.
Which is fixed.
My two cents
Hello everyone,
I arrived in the Lugh system a few days ago and have been doing what I can to help your cause. I have followed the instructions left on this thread, and have been doing missions for CS out of Punario Orbital. Seems like today the pending status for Civil War disappeared for me, which is frustrating. Another thing I have noticed is if you do slave smuggling missions influence for CS seems to go down, which is a shame because those missions pay well. What I was wondering is what is the current update for where we should focus our efforts? It'd be good to have a sensation of progress instead of going around in circles. I have successfully reached allied status with CS, and have noticed some missions for non-lethal weapons popping up, but I saw that you mentioned these were a bad idea. What is the latest update for what we should do?
Hello everyone,
I arrived in the Lugh system a few days ago and have been doing what I can to help your cause. I have followed the instructions left on this thread, and have been doing missions for CS out of Punario Orbital. Seems like today the pending status for Civil War disappeared for me, which is frustrating. Another thing I have noticed is if you do slave smuggling missions influence for CS seems to go down, which is a shame because those missions pay well. What I was wondering is what is the current update for where we should focus our efforts? It'd be good to have a sensation of progress instead of going around in circles. I have successfully reached allied status with CS, and have noticed some missions for non-lethal weapons popping up, but I saw that you mentioned these were a bad idea. What is the latest update for what we should do?
Interestingly on the system map Sesuang now shows as
Controlling Faction: Sesuang Co
Government: Corporate
Allegiance: Independent
...which is what you'd expect from the controlling station changing hands. It's just on the Galaxy map that there's no change. I wonder if there's just a problem with the info propagating to the galaxy layer of the game.
Controlling Faction: Sesuang Co
Government: Corporate
Allegiance: Independent
...which is what you'd expect from the controlling station changing hands. It's just on the Galaxy map that there's no change. I wonder if there's just a problem with the info propagating to the galaxy layer of the game.
ollobrains
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Seems to be the way it is for the time being
I've noticed this same error in 2 other systems (there are probably alot more). The system map and galaxy map show different allegiance data. Just thought you might like to know that it's not an isolated problem
EDIT: I just noticed another anomoly. The system map data displayed "Allegiance: Independent" and when I reloaded the system data it changed to "Allegiance: Federation". Not sure how to relicate this as the allegiance info seems random each time I load the system map. Note the time and allegiance info, 10 seconds
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Brace yourselves because I have another one of my theories coming on....
Back over Christmas we had a discussion about the effect of influence and where it stems from. We were saying how missions according to the DDA were the main source of influence change and my argument was that trade had a huge effect. At the time I was saying that missions might be the source of big chunks while huge amounts of trade all add up and we should not underestimate it blah blah blah.
Well now I have another such theory about 'Lockdown'.
From what I have seen so far and please correct me if I am wrong, it seems doing 'kill the pirate' missions are the only thing that seems to lower lockdown. These again are missions and may provide big chunks as mentioned above but remember that we have been avoiding doing bounty hunting in the Lugh system for fear that it raises security.
Now if you consider that bringing in weapons raises lockdown because Joe Public is running around with a stun gun in his hand and then the cops rush in and decide to shut the place down and the cure to that is reducing tension by removing pirates by doing missions then I think we should consider that maybe doing basic bounty hunting in the Lugh system might also do the same thing just in very much smaller chunks working in much the same way as trade...
This is something we actively have been avoiding.
If I can return once again to my analogy of pushing a car up a hill and trying to keep it on the road and steer it straight. It may be the case that doing weapon missions does actually encourage a war (fuel the flames of war etc.) but at the same time we need to counter possible lockdown by removing stress from the system and not encouraging the police to roll in and shut the place down.
Michael mentioned that in order for a station to flip influence must be raised and if 'the right conditions exist' it will enter a civil war and flip if the revolting faction wins.
It stands to reason to me (by my logic anyway) that in order to fuel the flames of war (just like the title on the mission) you need to bring in weapons but you cant do this indefinitely for fear of imposing lockdown. Therefore there must be a way to counter it as you go...
The only other possibility besides the game itself being badly designed is that perhaps Lockdown is actually one of the criteria required before a war will ensue. ie. the things have to get really bad before the people revolt.
Thoughts?
Back over Christmas we had a discussion about the effect of influence and where it stems from. We were saying how missions according to the DDA were the main source of influence change and my argument was that trade had a huge effect. At the time I was saying that missions might be the source of big chunks while huge amounts of trade all add up and we should not underestimate it blah blah blah.
Well now I have another such theory about 'Lockdown'.
From what I have seen so far and please correct me if I am wrong, it seems doing 'kill the pirate' missions are the only thing that seems to lower lockdown. These again are missions and may provide big chunks as mentioned above but remember that we have been avoiding doing bounty hunting in the Lugh system for fear that it raises security.
Now if you consider that bringing in weapons raises lockdown because Joe Public is running around with a stun gun in his hand and then the cops rush in and decide to shut the place down and the cure to that is reducing tension by removing pirates by doing missions then I think we should consider that maybe doing basic bounty hunting in the Lugh system might also do the same thing just in very much smaller chunks working in much the same way as trade...
This is something we actively have been avoiding.
If I can return once again to my analogy of pushing a car up a hill and trying to keep it on the road and steer it straight. It may be the case that doing weapon missions does actually encourage a war (fuel the flames of war etc.) but at the same time we need to counter possible lockdown by removing stress from the system and not encouraging the police to roll in and shut the place down.
Michael mentioned that in order for a station to flip influence must be raised and if 'the right conditions exist' it will enter a civil war and flip if the revolting faction wins.
It stands to reason to me (by my logic anyway) that in order to fuel the flames of war (just like the title on the mission) you need to bring in weapons but you cant do this indefinitely for fear of imposing lockdown. Therefore there must be a way to counter it as you go...
The only other possibility besides the game itself being badly designed is that perhaps Lockdown is actually one of the criteria required before a war will ensue. ie. the things have to get really bad before the people revolt.
Thoughts?
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I'm pretty sure that's by design. If you're an active Imperial loyalist, you should lose a little rep with the Federation, and vice versa. Maintaining good relations with BOTH superpowers engaged in a cold war should be a juggling act.
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Given that I just bought myself I shiny new Viper loaded for bear, I'm in favor of this, naturally. That it also makes sense to me does help, but I wanna blow up some bad guys!!! If I can't blow up the Federation at this time, I'll settle for pirates.
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If bounty hunting does reduce Lockdown, I wonder if the reduction happens when you kill the pirate or when you turn in the bounty at a station. At the same time, what would each case do to the balance of influence when you kill a pirate/turn in a bounty?
I think you're going to specifically need pirate hunting missions, not simply killing criminals. I did some bounty hunting last night without getting a mission, and I'm going to have to go outside of Lugh to turn them in. All the bounties were issued by the Federation and the Empire, not CSG.
Also keep in mind there might be people here in lugh who are still working against us (hiding in group play and single player) for federation and they know what they are doing. One of this groups has exposed themself several days ago here on this thread. I cannot explain the fact that we lost influence yesterday in an other way.
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Sesuang is truly independent right now.
Is have it's ows security and bounty rewards.
The only problem in Galaxy Map, where it is still owned by Federation.
When you go to system map from ui - it's allegance is indepencent,
when from galaxy map to system it is alligned with Federation.
Also one minor trail of Federation, their faction paintings on Sesuang stations still exists.
But it is INDEPENDENT. Despite of this 2 remaining BUGS.
Why did it become independent. (My theory)
1. Was done ALOT of delivery missions from CSG to Sesuang Co, affected influence of both Independent Corporate factions.
2. When Sesuang Co and Fed faction had same influence Civil War triggered.
3. By continue of keep doing (1) Sesuang Co win Civil War and get one more station under control.
4. When all station's get under Sesuang Co control - system owner had been changed.
So we actually made our mission! But not for that system ))))
MUHAHAHAHA @'BackgroundSimulation'
PS. I do not envy developers tearing their hair to deal with this situation... ^^
Is have it's ows security and bounty rewards.
The only problem in Galaxy Map, where it is still owned by Federation.
When you go to system map from ui - it's allegance is indepencent,
when from galaxy map to system it is alligned with Federation.
Also one minor trail of Federation, their faction paintings on Sesuang stations still exists.
But it is INDEPENDENT. Despite of this 2 remaining BUGS.
Why did it become independent. (My theory)
1. Was done ALOT of delivery missions from CSG to Sesuang Co, affected influence of both Independent Corporate factions.
2. When Sesuang Co and Fed faction had same influence Civil War triggered.
3. By continue of keep doing (1) Sesuang Co win Civil War and get one more station under control.
4. When all station's get under Sesuang Co control - system owner had been changed.
So we actually made our mission! But not for that system ))))
MUHAHAHAHA @'BackgroundSimulation'
PS. I do not envy developers tearing their hair to deal with this situation... ^^
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i saw an imperial navy eagle in SC around seega just now. should we be worried?
Yes and I have bounties to hand in in Sesuang NOT the Federation so that says it all!
That's interesting, i did one of those last night, i should have taken a screenshot because it had completely different effects. I'm pretty sure it didnt increase lockdown, i was actually chatting with another Commander at the same time who was telling me to avoid weapon delivery missions to avoid said lockdown.
I also delivered tea that... Increased famine!?
Here is a mission I just done for CSG to kill an Orca.
This is the stupid result I get!
It does everything bad for CSG even though I was asked by them to do it and then my reputation with them goes up?
They really need to fix these missions.
I think that there are good guys and bad guys (criminals) within a faction. Just because someone from within that faction asks you to murder somebody for them, it doesn't necessarily mean that it's good for the general population or the faction as a whole.
No I agree. We moan but I know they are doing their best and in fairness they have put a lot of effort in since Christmas trying to get it right but there are still bugs there. The missions themselves are evidence of that. But I do still think there are bugs at play here in Lugh. If there is not then it would be great if FD could come forward and say so. They don't have to tell us what we are doing wrong but to at least to know the system is working properly would help a lot. It does seem strange though that with 85% we still have not flipped at least one station and that LFE are going through a boom!
My paranoia still tells me that influence and awards are being dished out to the wrong factions and Sesuang and surrounding systems have benefited directly from our work with awards for our missions going to them instead of CSG. I also wonder how many awards have been awarded to LFE that should have been CSG giving them the boom they are enjoying now?
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No offence meant here but I think you are making excuses for mistyped programming. I have heard others making excuses for pirates attacking ships with no cargo etc. under the excuse "they are psychopaths". Do you not think it is far more likely it is just bugged?
Psychopats NPC immediatly attacking without asking for cargo are planned event by desigh (i believe). They are killers. I really like them.