List of combat loggers has reached 250 recorded loggers, with 322 total logs. Frontier, this is a problem

[Sole Hunter]

I've read through the whole thread and I think I have gained some understanding. Please correct me if I'm wrong:

1. The OP has reported on combat loggers.
2. In some form combat logging is against FDev's rules.
3. The OP is a member of the SDC group.
4. The SDC group does not play the game in the right way.
5. Because the SDC group does not play the game in the right way it is not so bad if someone does some combat logging against one of their pilots.
6. One can probably not trust this report anyway because it is by someone who does not play the game in the right way.

lol you nailed it.

 

[Boomer Kay]

NPC's literally spawn with the sole purpose of destroying you all the time, the only reason you don't notice is because they are grossly incompetant at it (and usually fly an eagle), If i log on right now within 10 minutes an NPC will interdict me under the pretext of wanting my cargo, taking umbrage at my faction or just a simple "HAHAHAHAHAHAH" and will fire at me with the sole intent of my destruction, if I go AFK I will be destroyed even against the pirate one.

The ones that go HAHAHAHAHA are clearly the model for salt miners.

Only if you trigger their spawns.
I can log in and spend the next 10 years without an interdiction while amassing trillions.

 

[Derath]

Only if you trigger their spawns.
I can log in and spend the next 10 years without an interdiction while amassing trillions.

You do know this is a game right? If you wanted to know what the triggering spawns for PvP griefing its flying a T7 to a CG

 

[Whiterose]

Hmm statistics, 1.4 million units sold, 300 combat logs = 0.02%. Okay these are skewed against those that play in private groups or solo, what you really need is those that PvP to get a true comparison. Yes, combat logging occurs, yes it is annoying, but only for those who do PvP. Should something be done? possibly, but is it more important that 2.2, 2.3 or 2.4 possibly not, unless ED starts haemorrhaging players, which I doubt.

 

[Derath]

Hmm statistics, 1.4 million units sold, 300 combat logs = 0.02%. Okay these are skewed against those that play in private groups or solo, what you really need is those that PvP to get a true comparison. Yes, combat logging occurs, yes it is annoying, but only for those who do PvP. Should something be done? possibly, but is it more important that 2.2, 2.3 or 2.4 possibly not, unless ED starts haemorrhaging players, which I doubt.

Hmm statistics, copies sold =/= active players, also a tiny portion of those reported, also nobody reports because FD don't do anything,

etc lots of statistics but no statistics

 

[Sole Hunter]

Hmm statistics, 1.4 million units sold, 300 combat logs = 0.02%. Okay these are skewed against those that play in private groups or solo, what you really need is those that PvP to get a true comparison. Yes, combat logging occurs, yes it is annoying, but only for those who do PvP. Should something be done? possibly, but is it more important that 2.2, 2.3 or 2.4 possibly not, unless ED starts haemorrhaging players, which I doubt.

we don't record everytime, I had 10 people combat log on me today alone in only 2 hours of gameplay. That's quite a significant large amount of players considering I gave up after 15 interdiction. I had maybe 1-2 good fights and 3 of which were traders.

It's a big issue and it's ruining the majority of my encounters. Combat logging within the first 15 sec after they get interdicted... that doesn't even give me much room for roleplaying.

 

[Boomer Kay]

You do know this is a game right? If you wanted to know what the triggering spawns for PvP griefing is its flying a T7 to a CG

I was in an Adder at Jaque's .. in open
Didn't trigger anything but complaints from one of those honorable gentlement that someone legally logged on him in Maia. .. ehhh .. CG in Maia is over, but next time send me a pm where you're planning to grief and I'll be there?

Let's see how the Rise to Power CG plays out.
I might be in a T7.
Considering shieldless, just to look less menacing.

 

[edgar]

Hmm statistics, 1.4 million units sold, 300 combat logs = 0.02%. Okay these are skewed against those that play in private groups or solo, what you really need is those that PvP to get a true comparison. Yes, combat logging occurs, yes it is annoying, but only for those who do PvP. Should something be done? possibly, but is it more important that 2.2, 2.3 or 2.4 possibly not, unless ED starts haemorrhaging players, which I doubt.

The OP says the stats started being collected 2 months ago, so it is not a fair analysis to factor that with total number of ED sales to date.

You would need to look at the number of ED sales in the last 2 months.

 

[Derath]

I was in an Adder at Jaque's .. in open
Didn't trigger anything but complaints from one of those honorable gentlement that someone legally logged on him in Maia. .. ehhh ..

Let's see how the Rise to Power CG plays out.
I might be in a T7.

Good luck! At least you have the courage of your convictions

 

[Cosmos]

Combat logging is annoying but tbh, I find menu loggers bolstering their missions to be a hundred times more annoying - and 99.9 percent of the pvp'ers I know do this! At least when someone combat logs the graceful way, they are doing so within the rules of the game - might have kids to look after etc - and until FD change that, I have no problem with a ship disappearing in front of me.

What scares me more are these player based witch hunts or youtube video's aimed at black-listing players. I have played for over a year and never combat logged, and still I managed to end up on one of these 'reddity' things being accused. I posted the video in my defence and the guy removed me, but I really resented doing so. Since then I have had no time for people making combat logging accusations.

Yeah its far from an ideal situation but after all these years with no action and half baked excuses from Frontier it was bound to happen. Its up to FD to tackle this issue but they seem to be unwilling to do anything about it.

 

[[VR] Mad Mike]

I've read through the whole thread and I think I have gained some understanding. Please correct me if I'm wrong:

1. The OP has reported on combat loggers.
2. In some form combat logging is against FDev's rules.
3. The OP is a member of the SDC group.
4. The SDC group does not play the game in the right way.
5. Because the SDC group does not play the game in the right way it is not so bad if someone does some combat logging against one of their pilots.
6. One can probably not trust this report anyway because it is by someone who does not play the game in the right way.

you missed an important point... unless your post is purely aimed at sarcasm...

OP refuses to differentiate between people exploiting by cable pulling - something FD regard as an exploit and can be punished and caught

and those using supported in game mechanic which FD have confirmed is meant to be allowed, but that the OP does not "like" and insists on calling those players cheaters as well.

The fact that the OP themselves admit to abusing/exploiting weaknesses in the game rules whilst at the same time complaining about other people exploiting however DOES weaken his position, and it is nuts to suggest otherwise imo.

 

[Genar-Hofoen]

I think your trying to rewrite history to your own view, FD have consistently stated that they have no problem with people playing psychos or pirates they fully expect hostile pewpew to be part of the game

FD have indeed stated this. And have so far singularly failed to implement mechanics to balance the behaviour, since late 2014.

No Declaration of Piracy.
No proper and meaningful Crime & Punishment system.

- this is why I brought up the point about AI that you so casually disregarded, there isn't a single player action that isn't mirrored by the AI (or I guess we mirror them) the only thing that causes issue is the competence of players is vastly higher than that of the AI.


But the designed roles for NPC's are the same as our own, because they are the framework for what goes and what doesn't, luckily they provided the option of playing without players if you want to to cut out that section.

Totally agreed about crime and punishment needing a complete overhaul as usual

I've never been ganked by a wing of AI's wearing Meta de Lances - over and over again, to "mine salt". Have you?

Nor have I seen NPC's create forum threads or even whole Subreddits creating controversies about "combat logging". Have you?

 

[Ornee Shaula]

Possibly your mistake. I would never recommend this game to a friend who is mainly interested in PvP. The game simply is not a good game for constant PvP.

I'm constantly ridiculed and ostracized by my 1500 odd Pandemic Legion bro's for playing and supporting this game, I've been banned from talking or posting about ED in game chats discords or talking about it on comms, basically alot of them tried it, I'm talking maybe 500 copies as a conservative estimate, I know of one other guy that still plays occasionally but says it's too grindy and there is no PvP that isn't organized fights apart from the Code/SDC invented meta of hitting CG's. Combat logging was always a problem and is the primary reason behind the Shoot first and talk to them as they die meta bought to you by SDC because you are bad sports that log out and don't RP in the spirit of the game, you the combat loggers and their defenders sent us on the spree of murder and terror in answer to the frustration of your childish bad sportsmanship and failure to pay your dues the god of consequences of stupid decisions.

 

[Tiamat]

I read OP's post as "I demand you make the changes I want and will use the vague threat of SC in the hope of forcing you to see things my way".

As others have mentioned your statistics represent such a tiny number of players I totally agree that FD should drop whatever they are doing, postpone 2.1/1.6 and put their entire development/design team on combat logging lest they lose their entire player base to a tech demo.

*sarcasm mode disengaged*

 

[frostypaw]

you missed an important point... unless your post is purely aimed at sarcasm...

OP refuses to differentiate between people exploiting by cable pulling - something FD regard as an exploit and can be punished and caught

and those using supported in game mechanic which FD have confirmed is meant to be allowed, but that the OP does not "like" and insists on calling those players cheaters as well.

The fact that the OP themselves admit to abusing/exploiting weaknesses in the game rules whilst at the same time complaining about other people exploiting however DOES weaken his position, and it is nuts to suggest otherwise imo.

Don't miss out OP has stated they seek better 'content' for their viewers not better gameplay. There is literally no interest in other's enjoyment of the game here. It should essentially be considered in the light of a commercial body seeking an advantage rather than game improvement.

People quit because they're not enjoying what is happening. OP doesn't care.

 

[Whiterose]

Hmm statistics, copies sold =/= active players, also a tiny portion of those reported, also nobody reports because FD don't do anything,

etc lots of statistics but no statistics

we don't record everytime, I had 10 people combat log on me today alone in only 2 hours of gameplay. That's quite a significant large amount of players considering I gave up after 15 interdiction. I had maybe 1-2 good fights and 3 of which were traders.

It's a big issue and it's ruining the majority of my encounters. Combat logger within the first 15 sec after they get interdicted that doesn't even give me room to roleplay.

What I don't understand is the ethos of logging anyway. I have done PvP, and if I am getting my rear handed to me on a plate I run away, it would never enter my consciousness to combat log, totally game breaking, and it doesn't achieve anything. The answer must be Chinese water torture, just keep at it until FD do something, provided they have the resource and incentive of course.

 

[Pipko]

I've read through the whole thread and I think I have gained some understanding. Please correct me if I'm wrong:

1. The OP has reported on combat loggers.
2. In some form combat logging is against FDev's rules.
3. The OP is a member of the SDC group.
4. The SDC group does not play the game in the right way.
5. Because the SDC group does not play the game in the right way it is not so bad if someone does some combat logging against one of their pilots.
6. One can probably not trust this report anyway because it is by someone who does not play the game in the right way.

You in a wrong thread.

 

[babelfisch]

There's no difference apart from one method is allowed by the game engine.....They are still both the lowest form of cowardice and poor sportsmanship.

Only if we are talking about consensual PvP. If the person you attacked didn't want to fight you in the first place it's actually cowardice and poor sportsmanship to attack him.

 

[Kyokushin]

I had 10 people combat log on me today

Shame on You, they were not combat loggers but 'graceful' menu-exitters. They just exit through menu, the pretended they 'just' are ending a game for today
It is your bad luck they decided for end of play 'just' in the middle of the fight

 

[Sole Hunter]

I'm constantly ridiculed and ostracized by my 1500 odd Pandemic Legion bro's for playing and supporting this game, I've been banned from talking or posting about ED in game chats discords or talking about it on comms, basically alot of them tried it, I'm talking maybe 500 copies as a conservative estimate, I know of one other guy that still plays occasionally but says it's too grindy and there is no PvP that isn't organized fights apart from the Code/SDC invented meta of hitting CG's. Combat logging was always a problem and is the primary reason behind the Shoot first and talk to them as they die meta bought to you by SDC because you are bad sports that log out and don't RP in the spirit of the game, you the combat loggers and their defenders sent us on the spree of murder and terror in answer to the frustration of your childish bad sportsmanship and failure to pay your dues the god of consequences of stupid decisions.

that's pretty much why i joined SDC. I don't care anymore, y'all combat loggers just deserve to die (in-game). Why waste 2-5 minutes roleplaying if you combat-log after 15sec.

I'll keep killing everybody I see until I see a fix for combat-logging. Not worth the effort anymore.