rootsrat
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That reminds me - SRV leaves tracks on planets, but the landing gear doesn't. Tiny detail, but argh!
Little things that break immersion and world integrity.
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That reminds me - SRV leaves tracks on planets, but the landing gear doesn't. Tiny detail, but argh!
What also annoying is that the landing gear is not moveable so no all the landing gear are resting on the floor but are just floating there. They need to be a bit more flexible.
Agree with all...
- You can buy slaves or Palladium, you can't buy Iron or Nickel.
- NPC ships keep forcing their way into the mailslot when you obviously are already there, filling up the space in your Beluga.
- Loitering is punishable by death, but murder grants you a cute fine.
- The Infuence reward. Makes no sense.
- NPC ships keep forcing their way into the mailslot when you obviously are already there, filling up the space in your Beluga.
- Loitering is punishable by death, but murder grants you a cute fine.
- The Infuence reward. Makes no sense.
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I hate those rocks!
I also hate the light poles in stations that are made out of vibranium. If I hit one of those in my Anaconda, it should get knocked over, I get a fine, and a repair crew is dispatched to fix it.
I should also be able to destroy or at least damage nav beacons with enough firepower. That would make me a fugitive (it's basically terrorism) and result in ATR response, but it would also create a compromised nav beacon, thus giving players some agency in the game.
As it currently is, only Thor can move rocks and Nav beacons and only Hela can destroy them.
"But if you put nav beacon on an elevator, is the elevator worthy?"
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One other thing which kind of makes me mentally wince a tad - Things That Move On Ships - e.g. weapons, weapons mount covers, gimballing engines on some ships, landing gear - all that sort of stuff. There's no momentum/inertia in their movement. Landing gear unfolding on a Conda for example, just animates like there's no such thing as inertia.
Now, I realise it's just a game and all, and that there's probably a billion other more important things to worry about than an external view (some things you can see from inside a bridge/cockpit on ships, like weapons for example), but all the same...
On a similar vein - watching your ship landing on a landing pad, via external camera - and I can understand why this happens, namely to simulate the ship ducking down a bit after locking down on the pad which originally you could only witness via inside the ship cockpit - when viewing that from outside, instead of the ship ducking forward via the landing gear, it's just the whole ship model being tipped forward then back, with some of the ship model clipping through the landing pad - eww!
Now, I realise it's just a game and all, and that there's probably a billion other more important things to worry about than an external view (some things you can see from inside a bridge/cockpit on ships, like weapons for example), but all the same...
On a similar vein - watching your ship landing on a landing pad, via external camera - and I can understand why this happens, namely to simulate the ship ducking down a bit after locking down on the pad which originally you could only witness via inside the ship cockpit - when viewing that from outside, instead of the ship ducking forward via the landing gear, it's just the whole ship model being tipped forward then back, with some of the ship model clipping through the landing pad - eww!
No mention of res sites yet? Infinite amount of people and cutting edge technology ships of massive sizes just drop in on rings continously one after another, with no concern to their own existance attempt to shoot mining ships or just float around peacefully scanning police ships to end up getting pounded by 2 police anacondas, 5 viperd and 3 eagles meanwhile throwing threats about boiling bulkheads, no attempt of disengaging. Simply unbelivable. With the amount of ship wreckage there, at some point it would be more profitable to salvage them instead of mining. With the amount of lives lost, regardless if theyre mostly wanted criminals or not, that place would have gotten a complete lockdown in any piece of space ruled by sane people.
Scanners range up to a couple kilometers even though hotly radiating ships should be extremely easy to locate from massive distances with a single radar tech.
Ship to ship missiles that can travel only a couple handful kilometers max??
Ships have speed limits. In space. You boost to increase your speed but it suddenly start dropping down after a second for some reason as if you are affected by a massive outside force somehow.
Scanners range up to a couple kilometers even though hotly radiating ships should be extremely easy to locate from massive distances with a single radar tech.
Ship to ship missiles that can travel only a couple handful kilometers max??
Ships have speed limits. In space. You boost to increase your speed but it suddenly start dropping down after a second for some reason as if you are affected by a massive outside force somehow.
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rootsrat
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Think it's spreading the word about this faction's actions in the system, so their influence raises. In case of a "evil" mission, locals are threatened by it, so the influence raises as well. Personally - I can justify that in my head.
That's an artificial limit. It's directly tied to flight model, which in fact does not bother me personally. But I can see how total purists can get annoyed by it
- The high payouts of Black Holes and Neutron Stars; both of which are very common and pretty useless 'cause they (can't) are not supposed to harbour life anywhere close to them.
Hmmmmmm kinda works, sorta
Hmmmmmm kinda works, sorta
rootsrat
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They are very valuable to explorers though, so again... kinda OK for me personally
It's interesting though how immersion can be different things to different people
I personally hate the magic fairy dust that slows you down after a boost or when changing pips.
EDIT : Oh - someone already mentioned it. I understand the artificial speed limit is necessary due to multiplayer but that shouldn't include boost or pip changes. The speed limit is also questionable now that engineers can magic it up to the impossible.
EDIT : Oh - someone already mentioned it. I understand the artificial speed limit is necessary due to multiplayer but that shouldn't include boost or pip changes. The speed limit is also questionable now that engineers can magic it up to the impossible.
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This is a big one for me.
I've always felt that the mission system should be better integrated into existing and new content.*
Use missions as a way to expose some of the content that people are missing or skipping.
I've never been a fan of googling or checking the forums to figure out where to go or what to see (hence I've probably missed out on a lot of content).
But if these destinations or activities were integreted into the mission system, potentially with some chained missions (aka. mini story lines), I'd be doing them just to do them, for the enjoyment. Whatever piddly payout came attached with it would simply be gravy.
(*: this wouldn't include hidden or undiscovered assets. Groups like The Canonn would still have hidden secrets to discover, but once discovered, they could then be available as mission destinations)
Just adding my voice in support of seeing some of these fixed, even if over time.
This, combined with fleshing out career activities to be less 'fish in a barrel' or 'press A to scan entire system'
Plus some attempt to reduce the engineers damage/shield inflation
Would be huge for the game. I'd buy an expansion just for that. I mean I shouldn't have to, seeing as it's essentially fixing problems, but I would.
The devs should look at Stellaris DLC model. Instead of DLC bringing new bare bones mechanics, sell DLC that flesh out existing ones. The sales pay for the development, everybody wins - and we finally get what we want.
This, combined with fleshing out career activities to be less 'fish in a barrel' or 'press A to scan entire system'
Plus some attempt to reduce the engineers damage/shield inflation
Would be huge for the game. I'd buy an expansion just for that. I mean I shouldn't have to, seeing as it's essentially fixing problems, but I would.
The devs should look at Stellaris DLC model. Instead of DLC bringing new bare bones mechanics, sell DLC that flesh out existing ones. The sales pay for the development, everybody wins - and we finally get what we want.
Its all just stuff i try to ignore or not get bothered about, because if i did, i'd probably go mad and start writing long winded posts on the forums about how its all immersion breaking
rootsrat
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Its all just stuff i try to ignore or not get bothered about, because if i did, i'd probably go mad and start writing long winded posts on the forums about how its all immersion breaking
LOL
I did that for 4 years
Its all just stuff i try to ignore or not get bothered about, because if i did, i'd probably go mad and start writing long winded posts on the forums about how its all immersion breaking
"Always remember, that the only thing necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing."
Agreed. Which is why even though some may dismiss my views as "hysteria" I continue to speak regardless.
I agree with pretty much all of these.
I'd say I don't mind the idea of a sidewinder pirate giving you the once over if you're in a heavier ship, that's fine, you might be running shieldless and without weapons - if that isn't the case though they should probably scarper quick in case you decide they deserve death just for bothering you rather than threatening you. You get something like this at the moment sometimes but I'm not sure what the trigger is..
I'd say I don't mind the idea of a sidewinder pirate giving you the once over if you're in a heavier ship, that's fine, you might be running shieldless and without weapons - if that isn't the case though they should probably scarper quick in case you decide they deserve death just for bothering you rather than threatening you. You get something like this at the moment sometimes but I'm not sure what the trigger is..
These are the little things that really kill the experience for me. They are not massive deal breakers on their own, but when you look at the game as a whole and put all of them together, they just break the world integrity and make the whole thing not very immersive.
I realise not everyone cares about this stuff and for many of you this is just a game, but for me personally it's more than that.
Please pay more attention to little details, Frontier. They make the world believable. They make us forget it's just a game.
Anyway, let's make a list! Feel free to add your own little imerrshun breakers in the comments
This has been in the game since the very beginning and it never made sense to me. I don't think there is a simple solution to that, because the whole smuggler career path is practically non-existent.
- Black Market being listed as official starport contact, right next to the Authority contact. Also, black market being listed as an official facility of a starport on system map.
This should be really simple to fix - keep adding new lines, more variety and perhaps keep rotating them or not re-use the one that's just been used for n hours or something like that. I'm sure there are enough creative writers at FDEV to tackle this one
- Lack of variety in generic NPC lines, that get old very quickly.
Yeah, there are more scenarios of this kind in game. Some more attention to details and more background checks before a scenario occurs in game would be good. I.e. if player's ship is in (insert list of relevant ships, i.e. Anaconda, Cutter, Corvette), the worst ship that can spawn is a Vulture. If NPC ship is losing hull do not pass "This can all stop..." message to the chat.
- Idiotic scenarios, where a big ship like Anaconda is interdicted by a lone Sidewinder that claims "I'm gonna boil you up!" or an NPC that yells "This can all stop if you give me X tonnes of cargo" while being practically annihilated.
Just more attention to details here please!
Another thing that does't make sense. I realise this is a compromise for gameplay purposes, but maybe think of some way to camouflage it better? I don't really know how to tackle this one, but it's really nonsensical.
- Inconsistent telepresence. I can TP myself 65000 LY to my friend's ship at Beagle Point, but a SLF can't hold the TP link over 30 km distance...?
My NPC crew lives in SLF hangar. Where are they exactly, in the corner between the spare SLF ammo and repair tools? Even though they are physically on my ship, they have to live in the hangar all the time, but when another Cmdr enters my ship via telepresence (so not physically) they get to take a seat in the cockpit with me. Really?
- Inconsistent NPC crew vs Multi Crew and Ship Launched Fighters mechanics
Also, I can launch 2 fighters if I have another Cmdr in Multi Crew (either 1 NPC and 1 player or 2 players), but I can only launch 1 SLF with NPC crew (because I cannot take more than 1 NPC crew on board).
This is easy to fix. Allow us to take more than 1 NPC crew on board and let them both use 2 SLF's at the same time. Make it consistent with Multi Crew.
Also place the NPC crew avatar in the cockpit, using the extra seat.
This is a big one. The amount of time it takes to train an NPC crew to Elite rank is ridiculous. I'm fine with that, it makes sense. What doesn't however is the fact that all the effort can be wasted if our mothership is blown up. Not only it does't make sense from gameplay point of view (every other loss can be prevented, including the loss of our ship via the insurance), while this is a permanent loss with no way to stop it when it happens.
- No escape pods for NPC crew
It also doesn't make sense from realism point of view - why can't I put additional escape capsule for my crew? Who in their right mind would sign a contract like that? It's like in case of a fire, the emergency exit in my office was for management only and all regular employees were forced to stay in and burn to death.
This is easy to fix - just add extra cost to the ship insurance for the additional escape capsule for the crew member.
I'm in Super Cruise and there are 10 NPC ships all over the place. I drop to an USS. 2 minutes later I go back to Super Cruise. None of the previous NPC ships are there, it's empty and it's getting filled with new ships from scratch. Also, that other USS that I saw right next to the first one I dropped into is no longer to be found.
- Non-persistent USS and NPC ships
This is another big one. It reminds me constantly that all the traffic in the system is just 100% RNG and there is no consistency behind it. Just a dice roll, "generate 2D6 NPC ships".
This is for Scan missions. The "search zone" is moving around and the actual settlement ends up being behind my ship every single time. Yes, I know, it's so that I can't actually see that it magically appears on the surface. What I see however is that it wasn't there 10 seconds ago, when my ship was turned that way.
- RNG planetary settlements generation process
Can't it be already generated on the surface when we scan the Nav Beacon or use ADS?
Take a long range passenger mission. They "don't react well to danger". Crash on a high-G planet. They now tell you they are fed up and please take them to the nearest startport. But you're at SagA* and the nearest starport is 20k LY away. You start making your way back. All of sudden on the middle of nowhere they go "That's it. It's taking too log. See ya and thanks for all the fish" and they jettison themselves into the big black.
- Tourist passengers jettisoning themselves into space thousands of LY away from populated systems.
Riiiight...
(Oh BTW, so they can have the escape pod, but my SLF pilot still can't have one?)
The local Coriolis is burning, 50000 people lost their lives, but there is a cheerful wedding going on at top 1% liner and (of course) the groom forgot to write his vows, while the controlling faction that just had their only station burnt and destroyed by Thargoids is enjoying an economic boom...
- Business as usual, while the system is being attacked by an alien race, a nightmare of the past
Yeah, I get the titles are ceremonial, but I can't imagine a Commander that is an Admiral for the Imps and still gets signed up to serve in Federal Navy. "So, you want to join our Navy. Do you have any ties to the Empire, our worst enemy? Ah, you're an Admiral of their Navy. That's fine though, hop on board, here's a Corvette!".
- You can have a career in both Federal and Imperial Navy and you can achieve the highest possible military rank in opposing forces.
No easy fix for this one either (imagine the meltdown if one career path was blocked if you're at certain rank with the opposing force... and what about the people that already have both ranks?).
Can't win here. It never made sense and you can't just change it now, because people will get mad either way.
Instead they became one of the main activities for many players, not to mention that all of them suddenly decided to give a special galaxy-wide discount for their services...
- Engineers were supposed to be these mysterious strangers, eccentrics that are hard to find and even harder to please via some "favours" in order to get the upgrades for our modules.
Again, it makes no sense whatsoever. Everything is burning, the station is in meltdown, but the local authorities are still enforcing silly fines like that? When the station was practically destroyed by Thargoids?
- Fines issued in burning station for pad loitering when players are collecting dead bodies and black boxes all over the place...
They can't be found anywhere else. There are come extremely rare exceptions, like when they appear next to a destroyed mega ship, at a barnacle or at their own base. But those are so rare, that practically non-existent.
- Thargoids in NHSS only
While I appreciate a real time attack is not possible, why only have 0/1 mechanics? The station is either intact or already attacked and badly damaged. Alien ships are nowhere to be found in either case.
- 0/1 station attacks (aka Thargoid Thursday).
This could be enhanced by introducing a 3rd stage - station under attack.
If we don't stop the attack by killing Scouts, station is under attack and we can fight alien ships right next to it (which would probably result in fines for firing our weapons in no fire zone
There is no incentive to go and try new content like Mega Ship looting or follow the Search and Rescue career path. The reward for those activities is ridiculously small and there are many other much more profitable things to do, which have missions attached to them.
- Lack of missions to support new content + new content not being profitable enough to try it out
Occupied escape pod is worth 30k Cr. Personal Effects are worth something like 400 Cr (yes, four hundred Credits). Why on earth should I risk my life to try and rescue people from Thargoids when I can comfortably earn gazillion more Credits by running passenger transport, planetary scan or other missions?
The same goes for mega ship loot. It's absolute peanuts which makes it a one-time activity just to see what's it all about and then one can forget about it forever. Why not use some of the existing commodities like Rare Artwork or Ancient Artefacts being included in the loot and introduce new mission type to get those specific items from a mega ship? Those missions could pay handsomely (considering the risk involved) and the other loot would then be a nice bonus.
Instead we get the ability to loot the space installations instead of mega ships now, which I bet will contain the same worthless loot that mega ships.
So NPC's can talk to me, but I can't talk to them?
- Lack of any NPC comms initiated by the player
Let us ask them for directions or location of where to buy a specific ship or find the nearest black market or IFC or material trader or whatever. There are tonnes of useful communication options that could be introduced to replace the current 3rd party tools that we're often forced to use if we don't want to randomly fly around hoping the RNG will be generous enoguh to bless us with the ship we want being available in the next shipyard we dock at.
Yeah, what's that all about? This one is really a minor one, but it somehow still grinds my gears.
- Engineer missions being issued on the local station rather than Engineer base
The list goes on, these are from the comments below:
- In the 34th century, the ships onboard computer can't sync with orbital stations rotation unless it's inside the station. Even 200-500m in front of the station would be nice. If you you leave the station slow enough, you can get your ship stuck because the rotation sync ends at the letter box and not the end of the grills.
- Every single time you arrive at a sightseeing tour POI, there are always exactly 3 Belugas there that promply fly away. This is one of the case where some RNG would actually be good. Instead of always 3 Belugas, there could be some different number of other ships, like Orcas, Dolphins or even regular ships (or even no ships), and they wouldn't need to blitz immediately just because you arrived. This even happens 20k + light years from the bubble. Then they all fly off as if your presence offends them. Bonkers!
- Every single time you drop into random spot in some random asteroid ring in the middle of nowhere, a couple pirate ships always appear out of nowhere. Not only it is completely illogical, but it does not serve any purpose
- The routines that spawn NPCs are gamey. Always an ambush. Always a lemming attack on me. Pursuers waits at the destination, though I got there first. Always Anaconda with escort. Sometimes it's two.
- USS/Mission Critical USS - why can't I just have a scanner which I interact with, that forcibly spawns the relevant Signal Source(s)? At least I'll feel more like I've been involved in the process, instead of knowing that some arbitrary counter/dice roll is taking place in the background. Plus that waiting for the system to do it for me is boring and frequently unreliable.
- Space is empty of human bodies and that only ships can be damaged. Let's see some people on stations walking around parks and control towers - not just driving trucks. This could do wonders for the sense of scale.
- If you crash into a light stand, how do you just bounce off of it? How can they be that tough? Maybe have them fall over and get fined 50000cr for station damage? Or maybe take ship damage instead?
- In SC, scanners have a range of light minutes. In normal space, it's less than 10km.
- Hitting a large rock on a 0.01G world ruins my SRV integrity (leaving no mark though?!?) however the rock doesn't move... really?
- SRV leaves tracks on planets, but the landing gear doesn't
- NPC ships keep forcing their way into the mailslot when you obviously are already there, filling up the space in your Beluga
- Loitering is punishable by death, but murder grants you a cute fine.
- I should also be able to destroy or at least damage nav beacons with enough firepower. That would make me a fugitive (it's basically terrorism) and result in ATR response, but it would also create a compromised nav beacon, thus giving players some agency in the game.
That was much too long for me to read, but I agree on your general stance. Especially telepresence is something that would change how things are being done in the galaxy. There was that Galnet article about the Feds researching unmanned drones for example, and it was criticised because that sounded a lot like AI. But... but... why AI if we can just control the drones via telepresence? And since we're at it, why not every space vessel that is doing dangerous things... Like rescuing people in damaged stations, exploring neutron stars... Exploring in general!
I don't like to have to ignore things that have been implemented as game feature and are the way they are only for convenience while completely ignoring lore and game world influence.
Yeah, there is a little bit of a difference between computer games that are not so important and real world issues.
Also, its not like the devs are evil... well, the loach may be, that remains to be seen. I air my concerns with the game from time to time, but when it comes to playing, i just get on with playing, i don't sit there shouting at the monitor because something is breaking my immersion.