General / Off-Topic London : advertising "Glory to Allah" on the red bus, elicit controversy

[Minonian]

The situation right there.

I have the right to believe and do whatever i please, and you can't forbid me furthermore, you have no right to speak against me, because that's offend me, and my belief, but you must support me, and my belief, accept it.
If not, you are a heretic and you must be hunted down, you can be forced to accept my point of view. And no matter what yo can't quit...
The double standards of liberalism taken to the extreme.

 

[AJW]

Previous religious advertising on London buses: http://www.theguardian.com/world/2009/feb/05/atheist-bus-christian-response

So nothing new, and the sky hasn't fallen in yet...

 

[Minonian]

Previous religious advertising on London buses: http://www.theguardian.com/world/2009/feb/05/atheist-bus-christian-response

So nothing new, and the sky hasn't fallen in yet...

[video=youtube;rcsG-u2GtZE]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rcsG-u2GtZE[/video]

Reaction? We must obey, we cant go out like that we can't offend the Muslims. And not only in england but all across West europe.

You are right the sky hasn't fallen, and its not going to fall. What's happen it's far more worst.

And now for comparison, as a guest and newcomer i accepted the rules of this "house" even if sometimes, i have problems. (this is me a loud and sometimes foul mouthed black lamb The man, who when everybody screams from the top of his lung, im individual than silently says im not.) Why? Because right there you boys are the house lord.

But what they are do as quests? Trying to enforce their laws upon you. Please don't tell me this is right! And this can happen because of the absurdities of liberalism.

 

[AJW]

Go troll somewhere else.

 

[Minonian]

Go troll somewhere else.

Tell me, trolling is looks like this?
I'm just having a different opinion than you.

 

[Becks]

Something similiar happened two years ago in Germany (http://www.dw.com/en/germany-wont-tolerate-sharia-police/a-17906086) and the police disciplined them pretty fast.

I doubt that something else has happened in Britain or that this kind of stuff happens regularly. There are always some dumb people in a larger group. Christians have them as much as muslims have them. So it's not really a big deal.

Besides why do you think that they're 'newcomers'? They could be born in second or third generation in Britain.

And this can happen because of the absurdities of liberalism.

Liberalism is a political philosophy or worldview founded on ideas of liberty and equality. Whereas classical liberalism emphasizes the role of liberty, social liberalism stresses the importance of equality.^{[URL="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberalism#cite_note-auto-4"][4][/URL]} Liberals espouse a wide array of views depending on their understanding of these principles, but generally they support ideas and programs such as freedom of speech, freedom of the press, freedom of religion, free markets, civil rights, democratic societies, secular governments, and international cooperation.

I fail to see how liberalism is absurd. It's probably the reason why you're not living in the third Reich today. And that's good because I doubt that you would enjoy it there.

 

[Minonian]

I fail to see how liberalism is absurd. It's probably the reason why you're not living in the third Reich today. And that's good because I doubt that you would enjoy it there.

This kind of things taken to the extremes are wrong and absurd. A political philosophy taken to the extremes is radicalism. And in the way we see from East Europe? Liberalism is taken to the extremes.

About Islam, and Christianity?

Both party are have the right to belive and live as they feel, but neither party have the right to enforce their philosophy, to others. And both party are obliged to accept the rules of the society, the nation. Not the other way around. Same goes to any political party and philosophy. they are the smaller part of the whole.

You can change the rules? yes you can! But you can't do that forcefully!

The other thing about us east Europeans? We have a somewhat strong feelings against social democrats, and their ally the liberals. The reason of this is simple. Our socialists are not begin birth, ind democracy, like in W europe, but in dictature, blood shed and occupation. That can cause some not too nice feelings.

 

[Becks]

This kind of things taken to the extremes are wrong and absurd. A political philosophy taken to the extremes is radicalism. And in the way we see from East Europe? Liberalism is taken to the extremes.

Eastern Europe is pretty much the opposite of liberal.

It's clearly stated that your liberties end when they limit another persons liberties. Since introducing the sharia is exactly doing that, it's that liberalism causes this.

About Islam, and Christianity?

Both party are have the right to belive and live as they feel, but neither party have the right to enforce their philosophy, to others. And both party are obliged to accept the rules of the society, the nation. Not the other way around. Same goes to any political party and philosophy. they are the smaller part of the whole.

You can change the rules? yes you can! But you can't do that forcefully!

Religion in general, neither christianity, the islam or whatever imaginary friend people believe in should have influence on the government or the laws. I prefer my states secular.

The other thing about us east Europeans? We have a somewhat strong feelings against social democrats, and their ally the liberals. The reason of this is simple. Our socialists are not begin birth, ind democracy, like in W europe, but in dictature, blood shed and occupation. That can cause some not too nice feelings.

Eastern Europe pretty much had (not) the choice between pest and cholera. One fanatic mass murderer chased off another. To treat all socialists and liberals like they want to reintroduce the soviet union because of that is simply ... yeah.

 

[Surfinjo]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rcsG-u2GtZE

Reaction? We must obey, we cant go out like that we can't offend the Muslims. And not only in england but all across West europe.

You are right the sky hasn't fallen, and its not going to fall. What's happen it's far more worst.

And now for comparison, as a guest and newcomer i accepted the rules of this "house" even if sometimes, i have problems. (this is me a loud and sometimes foul mouthed black lamb The man, who when everybody screams from the top of his lung, im individual than silently says im not.) Why? Because right there you boys are the house lord.

But what they are do as quests? Trying to enforce their laws upon you. Please don't tell me this is right! And this can happen because of the absurdities of liberalism.

This story has been deliberately spun to paint a specific picture. Similar stories appeared a number of years ago when courts began to accept and seek the views of Muslim welfare offices attached to Mosques.

The reality is many communities take an active interest in their areas and enforce their standards. Many Jewish neighbourhoods for example surround themselves with a wire fence. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/2806289.stm

Consulting local ethnic leaders about matters of family law, marriage and so on is well established and sensible.

 

[Minonian]

Eastern Europe is pretty much the opposite of liberal.

Is it, or we just think liberalism is messed up?

Eastern Europe pretty much had (not) the choice between pest and cholera. One fanatic mass murderer chased off another. To treat all socialists and liberals like they want to reintroduce the soviet union because of that is simply ... yeah.

Well... The problem is, this feeling is mutual. Now, im not going to speak my home internal politics but trust me, we hate them from our guts for good reason. And that's not only the communism.

For the rest of it?

"It's possible to love someone
And not treat them in the way that you want
It's possible to see your eyes
Be the devil in disguise with another front"

 

[The Chairmaker]

Where I live in the UK we have Christian Street pastors patrolling the streets at the weekend.

http://www.streetpastors.org/about-us/what-is-a-street-pastor-/

Is this not the same as what the Muslims in the video are doing, namely trying to impose their religious doctrine on those with different views.

One is vilified, the other is praised.

I find both disturbing in their own way. I dare say both groups of people are doing things for what they believe to be well meaning reasons. However there is a sinister side to both, in they are ultimately about imposing Christian or Muslim ways of living on those that don't subscribe to such beliefs.

 

[Minonian]

Aye! This is the problem.

 

[Adept]

Allah just means god you know. It's the same word Arabic speaking Christians use.

 

[Minonian]

Nope, to them it means their god, and their belief. Slight difference, but an important one.

 

[AJW]

Nope, to them it means their god, and their belief. Slight difference, but an important one.

If you knew anything about Islam (which you clearly don't), you would be aware that Allah is the same God that revealed himself to Moses, and that Isa Ibn Maryam (Jesus, son of Mary) is revered as a prophet. There is no 'Muslim God' distinct from any other in Islam, any more than there is in either Judaism or Christianity.

 

[Minonian]

If you knew anything about Islam (which you clearly don't), you would be aware that Allah is the same God that revealed himself to Moses, and that Isa Ibn Maryam (Jesus, son of Mary) is revered as a prophet. There is no 'Muslim God' distinct from any other in Islam, any more than there is in either Judaism or Christianity.

Yeah thats the theory. But their extremists are not think about their god in this way. they are saying their god and their religion is the only true one.

 

[AJW]

Yeah thats the theory. But their extremists are not think about their god in this way. they are saying their god and their religion is the only true one.

A statement you can make about followers of any monotheistic religion, anywhere...

 

[Minonian]

A statement you can make about followers of any monotheistic religion, anywhere...

This is why the separation of the church(es) and state / law is necessary. It's a joke but even the islam is do better without the saria. Because? Which group's saria? And this one question is enough to trigger an awful religious war, just like we had in europe some centuries before.

And the extremists are even worst than this. They are not just going far, but they are going way too far!

 

[AJW]

This is why the separation of the church(es) and state / law is necessary. It's a joke but even the islam is do better without the saria. Because? Which group's saria? And this one question is enough to trigger an awful religious war, just like we had in europe some centuries before.

And the extremists are even worst than this. They are not just going far, but they are going way too far!

Ah yes, the sky is going to fall in because someone put a message about God (which neither Christians nor Jews would actually dispute) on a bus. You aren't very original, are you...

And incidentally there is no separation of church and state in the U.K. - though most U.K. Moslems seem to have little problem with it...

 

[Minonian]

Ah yes, the sky is going to fall in because someone put a message about God (which neither Christians nor Jews would actually dispute) on a bus. You aren't very original, are you...

Talking about originality, you have any other argument?